The law, the commandments, and Christians.

Guojing said:

You have not even established your point that we the Body of Christ can now take the covenants and promises of Israel, and Paul in Romans 9:4 clearly said that all those BELONG to Israel.

If you are no longer making that point, we can move on.

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The Gentile Ministers of the New Covenant haven't partook of the New Covenant promised to Israel? Try reading the post again and again, "Do we still sin? Then be not deceived, the Law is for sinners. For by the Law is the knowledge of sin. The Righteous, the Just live out of Faith, This Faith establishes the Law. This Faith is a gift from God. For it is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. His Word, His Law is in our hearts and in our mouths through His Spirit that we do it. That is the word of faith in which we preach. For in Him we are to be living, moving and have our being. If not, then we are not all that He would have us be. The New Covenant ministers ministering, letters with the engrafted word in our hearts. Written by the Spirit of the Living God. Not on tables of stone, or parchment but the fleshly tables of the heart by His Spirit. A new creature of His kind, begotten by the Word of truth. Not that our sufficiency is in of ourselves. It is of God. Who also hath made us able ministers of the New Covenant; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."

Guojing said:

Romans 9:6-11 is talking about the believing remnant of Israel. They are the remnant because they believed Christ to be their promised

It has nothing to do with the Body of Christ. We know that because Isaac and Jacob are not our fathers in any way.

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God is our Father in every way, and is the Father of all, and we are all made of one blood.

Adam the first man, and the second is the Lord from heaven.

Christ confirmed the promises, they were His all along and He confirmed them.




Isaiah 43:27 Thy first father hath sinned, and thy teachers have transgressed against me.

Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

HIM said:

Do we still sin? Then be not deceived, the Law is for sinners. For by the Law is the knowledge of sin. The Righteous, the Just live out of Faith, This Faith establishes the Law. This Faith is a gift from God. For it is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. His Word, His Law is in our hearts and in our mouths through His Spirit that we do it.

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Sin is knowledge of the law, sin is gone, law is gone, we are as without law, but under the law to Christ, this way...



Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 15:1 We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves.
2 Let every one of us please his neighbour for his good to edification.
3 For even Christ pleased not himself; but, as it is written, The reproaches of them that reproached thee fell on me.

1 Corinthians 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

Galatians 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.




1 John 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

1 Peter 4:1Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.

2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.

Abraham1st said:

God is our Father in every way, and is the Father of all, and we are all made of one blood.

Adam the first man, and the second is the Lord from heaven.

Christ confirmed the promises, they were His all along and He confirmed them.

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God made many promises to different people in scripture.

It does not mean you are entitled to ALL of them

Otherwise, you might as well conclude that, since "Christ confirmed the promises", I will be like Abraham and father many nations.

Abraham1st said:

God is our Father in every way, and is the Father of all, and we are all made of one blood.

Adam the first man, and the second is the Lord from heaven.

Christ confirmed the promises, they were His all along and He confirmed them.




Isaiah 43:27 Thy first father hath sinned, and thy teachers have transgressed against me.

Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

1 Corinthians 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

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Interestingly the idea of Christ as the New Adam is foundational to Orthodox (Eastern and Oriental)/ Patristic theology, and the theology of traditional liturgical churches more generally (although in the West sometimes the heavy reliance upon on Anselm’s Satisfaction theology and variants thereof, such as Penal Substitionary Atonement, both of which in their forms as articulated by Anselm and Aquinas and others in the case of the former, and by Calvinists and Evangelicals in the case in the latter, did not appear in Patristic soteriology, even though the idea of Christ having atoned for our sins, and of Him having sacrificed His life for our salvation, and of Him ransoming us from the bondage of death, were well established).

Abraham1st said:

God is our Father in every way, and is the Father of all, and we are all made of one blood.

Adam the first man, and the second is the Lord from heaven.

Christ confirmed the promises, they were His all along and He confirmed them.

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This is an elegant expression of the doctrine of the Incarnation, that in the person of the Son and Word, God became incarnate, putting on our fallen human nature in order to save us from sin, as demonstrated by the parable of the Wicked Tenants.

Guojing said:

God made many promises to different people in scripture.

It does not mean you are entitled to ALL of them

Otherwise, you might as well conclude that, since "Christ confirmed the promises", I will be like Abraham and father many nations.

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It makes no difference to be the father of many nations or to have that one as your father, all in the kingdom of heaven are together, the others are thrust out.


Matthew 8:10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Abraham1st said:

It makes no difference to be the father of many nations or to have that one as your father, all in the kingdom of heaven are together, the others are thrust out.


Matthew 8:10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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Well, the point was, you cannot be the father of many nations, because that promise was given to one person in scripture, which is Abraham.

Whether or not it matters to you individually is irrelevant.

Guojing said:

Well, the point was, you cannot be the father of many nations, because that promise was given to one person in scripture, which is Abraham.

Whether or not it matters to you individually is irrelevant.

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It was given to his seed, (In Christ is the seed.) which is as told neither Jew nor Greek, for you are ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS. ( In Christ is the seed.)

( if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.)



You are making point for yourself, not for me, don't assume you have a point that became mine.

My own point of view is expressed, you are not touching it, it is exactly as the verses describe, you can have your own point to yourself regarding them, but NOT TO ME,

If you have little to say in return to this, why return little to me, leave the little as little, and I will head towards greater things. Bye bye.





Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Abraham1st said:

It was given to his seed, (In Christ is the seed.) which is as told neither Jew nor Greek, for you are ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS. ( In Christ is the seed.)

( if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.)



You are making point for yourself, not for me, don't assume you have a point that became mine.

My own point of view is expressed, you are not touching it, it is exactly as the verses describe, you can have your own point to yourself regarding them, but NOT TO ME,

If you have little to say in return to this, why return little to me, leave the little as little, and I will head towards greater things. Bye bye.





Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

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Well as long as you agree with me that you cannot claim Abraham specific promose of fathering many nations, because it was given specifically to him, then we are in agreement.

We can move on then

HIM said:

The Gentile Ministers of the New Covenant haven't partook of the New Covenant promised to Israel? Try reading the post again and again, "Do we still sin? Then be not deceived, the Law is for sinners. For by the Law is the knowledge of sin. The Righteous, the Just live out of Faith, This Faith establishes the Law. This Faith is a gift from God. For it is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure. His Word, His Law is in our hearts and in our mouths through His Spirit that we do it. That is the word of faith in which we preach. For in Him we are to be living, moving and have our being. If not, then we are not all that He would have us be. The New Covenant ministers ministering, letters with the engrafted word in our hearts. Written by the Spirit of the Living God. Not on tables of stone, or parchment but the fleshly tables of the heart by His Spirit. A new creature of His kind, begotten by the Word of truth. Not that our sufficiency is in of ourselves. It is of God. Who also hath made us able ministers of the New Covenant; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life."

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Abraham1st said:

Sin is knowledge of the law, sin is gone, law is gone, we are as without law, but under the law to Christ, this way...

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If the Law is in our heart and mind, Heb 8:10. His Word is in our heart and mouth Rom 10:6-8 that is the idea. Sin is not to be an issue because we are not to be sinning. We are a new creation in Christ Jesus. begotten by the Word of truth. WE ARE TO BE IN A PLACE WHERE WE CANNOT SIN BECAUSE WE ARE BORN OF GOD.

1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Abraham1st said:

1 Corinthians 9:21 To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.

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Most don't know, I Cor 9:21 does not say under the law to Christ. It actually says Lawful to or by Christ. BIG difference.

The words. "under the Law" are translated from a Greek word that is translated else where lawful. To be under the Law implies bondage, We are not in bondage. If God meant "under the Law”He would inspired Paul to use the same words as He did here in the previous verse.
1Cor 9:20 And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

He did not. He used a word translated in Acts as Lawful.

Acts 19:39 But if ye enquire any thing concerning other matters, it shall be determined in a lawful assembly.

Here is the definition of the word translated Lawful from the BDAG Lexicon.


ἔννομος, ον (s. νόμος; Pind., Aeschyl. et al.; ins, pap, Sir prol. ln. 14; Philo, Abr. 242, Poster. Cai. 176; Jos., Ant. 19, 302; SibOr 3, 246; Just., D. 47, 4 ἔ. πολιτείαν; Ath., R. 70, 23 al.) pert. to being in accordance with law, legal, lawful.

It is actual a compound word. If we would define it by the two words it is made of we would simply say In Law., hence Lawful.

Since God said, the Commandments and statutes of the Book of the Law are to be in our hearts and mouths that we do it in Deut 30:10-14 and in Rom10:6-8. We know that this change is where are faith comes from. For Romans 10 also says that the word is in our heart and mouth, and that is the word of faith in in which we preach. And this change in us is what establishes the Law because it is how we live because it is who we are now through Christ. For we are lawful by Christ. For we are dead but alive. Yet not us, but Christ lives in us. And the Life we now live in the flesh we live by the faith of Christ who gave himself for us. Not that our sufficiency is of ourselves but of God. For it is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure.

HIM said:

If the Law is in our heart and mind, Heb 8:10. His Word is in our heart and mouth Rom 10:6-8 that is the idea. Sin is not to be an issue because we are not to be sinning. We are a new creation in Christ Jesus. begotten by the Word of truth. WE ARE TO BE IN A PLACE WHERE WE CANNOT SIN BECAUSE WE ARE BORN OF GOD.

1John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

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The law that is in us is the same as in Christ, Psalms 40, He did no sin, neither do we.

A body you have prepared me, may answer some queries for you, along with He made HIs soul an offering for sin.....



Psalm 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart.

Isaiah 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.

1 Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because CHRIST ALSO SUFFERED for us, LEAVING US AN EXAMPLE, THAT YE SHOULD FOLLOW HIS STEPS:
22 WHO DID NO SIN, NEITHER WAS GUILE FOUND IN HIS MOUTH:
23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; BUT COMMITED HIMSELF TO HIM THAT JUDGETH RIGHTEOUSLY:

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, THAT WE, BEING DEAD TO SINS, SHOULD LIVE UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS: by whose stripes ye were healed.

1 Peter 2:25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.