Why do people hate ICE...

bèlla · 2025-10-14T08:55:30-0500

RocksInMyHead said:
Because you've been mischaracterizing my posts and arguing with me about them.

Good for you, I guess? My point still stands though.

I’m not mischaracterizing your posts. I posted a video you felt inclined to warn me about more than once. All you can do is share your opinion. You can’t make anyone agree and you’re blowing this out of proportion. It’s just a video. Gosh.

~bella

camille70 · 2025-10-14T09:13:27-0500

Documents Allege a Federal Agent at Portland ICE Threatened to Shoot an Ambulance Driver

Feds delayed medics who had come to pick up an injured protester. Then, according to confidential incident reports, the agents became aggressive.

Documents Allege a Federal Agent at Portland ICE Threatened to Shoot an Ambulance Driver

Feds delayed medics who had come to pick up an injured protester. Then, according to confidential incident reports, the agents became aggressive.

www.wweek.com

ThatRobGuy · 2025-10-14T10:09:15-0500

rambot said:
When they are just doing their job?

Well it seems I come across examples of this everyday...just crossed another one.

WATCH: ICE Sued After Videos Capture Pastor Shot With ‘Chemical Pellets’ at Peaceful Protest

I bet that pastor was attacking them or someth....
https://www.reddit.com/r/illinois/s/09n0juVcj3

If there are people having trouble understanding why people dislike how iCE is doing their work, I'm hoping folks will be willing to share some examples. I'll do my bit when I can.

I think we have to draw a clear line between

"people who hate them because of these incidents where they behaved unprofessionally and/or over-aggressively"
vs
"people who would still hate them anyway, even if they conducted their duties as professionally as humanly possible"

I think we have some of both in the US.

For the people in the latter category, while they may regularly cite instances of the former, their primary objections are to the mission and purpose of the agency itself, so those incidents are merely accessories they use to bolster their pre-existing argument of "we need to abolish ICE"

You can have a reasonable conversation about meaningful reforms with the former, trying to find some sort of middle ground with the latter will be a fool's errand.

rambot · 2025-10-14T11:41:58-0500

NotreDame said:
I suspect some of the antipathy towards ICE is the shock of actual enforcement of immigration law by ICE, especially in cities where for many years or decades ICE enforcement was so negligible as to be invisible and unheard of in those cities.

Strange. Because Obamas numbers were actually quite high. So that doesn't make sense

NotreDame said:
Indeed, LA County Mayor said ICE “was not present” and “was not present for so long.” They simply were accustomed to minimal to invisible existence of ICE for a long time.

Hmmm. I wonder if it was morning how they managed to carry out thwir activities then. In as much as they were never noticed but did their work without trying to intimidate and scare. Because there are certainly stats of neighbouring counties that show there was ice activity over the last few decades.

camille70 · 2025-10-14T12:25:16-0500

Hundreds Could Be Freed From ICE Custody After Warrantless Arrest Ruling

Immigration attorneys said they have already identified more than 200 arrests that potentially violate the consent decree. However, they said those 200 arrests are likely “just the tip of the iceberg.”

Hundreds Could Be Freed From ICE Custody After Warrantless Arrest Ruling

Immigration attorneys said they have already identified more than 200 arrests that potentially violate the consent decree. However, they said those 200 arrests are likely "just the tip of the iceberg."

blockclubchicago.org

More than 1,000 people have been arrested in the Chicago area since the Department of Homeland Security launched Operation Midways Blitz at the start of September. Fleming said one of the strategies ICE has been deploying over the past few weeks has been to “go out with a small list of targets and then use that as a pretext to then sweep up everyone else that they come in contact with.”

“We suspect that the majority of immigration arrests that have taken place in Chicago in the last month are in violation of this order,” attorney Keren Zwick with the National Immigration Justice Center told Block Club.

While Fleming said the ruling will not affect people who have already been deported, he said his office will be communicating with advocates who are working with people currently to ensure they know about the ruling.

NotreDame · 2025-10-14T18:38:42-0500

rambot said:
Hmmm. I wonder if it was morning how they managed to carry out thwir activities then. In as much as they were never noticed but did their work without trying to intimidate and scare. Because there are certainly stats of neighbouring counties that show there was ice activity over the last few decades.

So the bolded supports my position, “neighboring counties” doesn’t reveal anything of other counties.

Strange. Because Obamas numbers were actually quite high. So that doesn't make sense

^^^^Has absolutely not germane to my comment of, “I suspect some of the antipathy towards ICE is the shock of actual enforcement of immigration law by ICE, especially in cities where for many years or decades ICE enforcement was so negligible as to be invisible and unheard of in those cities.”

I’ll proceed now and address your faulty assumption by stating Obama’s “numbers were actually quite high” can logically co-exist with my statement “I suspect some of the antipathy towards ICE is the shock of actual enforcement of immigration law by ICE, especially in cities where for many years or decades ICE enforcement was so negligible as to be invisible and unheard of in those cities.”

Obama’s “quite high” numbers aren’t contradictory to my bolded statement, neither are the two inconsistent.

Make comment makes perfect sense when one comprehends Obama’s “quite high” numbers weren’t predominantly and/or substantially from specific areas. It’s your confusing high numbers and by bolded comments as mutually exclusive “that doesn’t make sense.”

ThatRobGuy · 2025-10-14T19:10:13-0500

rambot said:
Strange. Because Obamas numbers were actually quite high. So that doesn't make sense

They were, so if people are suggesting that Obama was weak on immigration in that aspect, they'd be wrong. (Biden's admin is another story)

At the risk of sounding cynical...
I think the superficial answer is the accurate one on this.

An old white guy (perceived as having racist views on extraneous issues) deporting non-white people elicits a different reaction from some folks than if a younger non-white guy (perceived to have more progressive values) deports non-white people.

Were abuses of power and unprofessional conduct from agents happening during the raids and round-ups that happened under Obama? Almost certainly. But they would've been much less visible, as the prevalence of the "HD video recording device in everyone's pocket" was much lower back then, so you didn't have a hundred people standing around filming every interaction and uploading it to where millions of people could see it.

RocksInMyHead · 2025-10-14T21:44:06-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
(Biden's admin is another story)

Is it though?

A heck of a lot more people were deported under Biden than under Obama (or Trump).

ThatRobGuy said:
At the risk of sounding cynical...
I think the superficial answer is the accurate one on this.

An old white guy (perceived as having racist views on extraneous issues) deporting non-white people elicits a different reaction from some folks than if a younger non-white guy (perceived to have more progressive values) deports non-white people.

Were abuses of power and unprofessional conduct from agents happening during the raids and round-ups that happened under Obama? Almost certainly. But they would've been much less visible, as the prevalence of the "HD video recording device in everyone's pocket" was much lower back then, so you didn't have a hundred people standing around filming every interaction and uploading it to where millions of people could see it.

This theory falls apart in the light of the above data. It comes down to rhetoric and the methods employed by ICE.

camille70 · 2025-10-15T08:39:29-0500

Teacher claims ICE agents used tear gas near Chicago elementary school

ThatRobGuy · 2025-10-15T09:04:35-0500

RocksInMyHead said:
Is it though?
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A heck of a lot more people were deported under Biden than under Obama (or Trump).

This theory falls apart in the light of the above data. It comes down to rhetoric and the methods employed by ICE.

It would appear that Biden's are mostly under the "covid emergency" category...

"At the border" and "away from the border" appear to be far lower. Those would be the much more visible types of apprehensions people are upset about, correct?

As far as public visibility (and people seeing it on social media), the covid related ones would be far less visible I would think.

My reason for thinking that is because the kind of people who would want to watchdog ICE and alert the pubic to their potential misdeeds would be the same kind of people who would've been more inclined to be staying home and socially distancing during covid, fair to say? Also compounded by the fact that the social justice activists had a different law enforcement related social awareness endeavor they were focused on.

Reader's digest version:
Biden's deportations were less visible/less scrutinized due to
- It was done in the name of covid (any draconian measures done in the name of covid were embraced by progressives)
- Progressives were far more likely to be staying at home to avoid viral exposure, and the ones who weren't, were protesting Local PD abuses in the wake of the George Floyd killing

So ICE-related matters took a back seat

rambot · 2025-10-15T09:27:05-0500

NotreDame said:
So the bolded supports my position, “neighboring counties” doesn’t reveal anything of other counties.

^^^^Has absolutely not germane to my comment of, “I suspect some of the antipathy towards ICE is the shock of actual enforcement of immigration law by ICE, especially in cities where for many years or decades ICE enforcement was so negligible as to be invisible and unheard of in those cities.”

I’ll proceed now and address your faulty assumption by stating Obama’s “numbers were actually quite high” can logically co-exist with my statement “I suspect some of the antipathy towards ICE is the shock of actual enforcement of immigration law by ICE, especially in cities where for many years or decades ICE enforcement was so negligible as to be invisible and unheard of in those cities.”

Obama’s “quite high” numbers aren’t contradictory to my bolded statement, neither are the two inconsistent.

Make comment makes perfect sense when one comprehends Obama’s “quite high” numbers weren’t predominantly and/or substantially from specific areas. It’s your confusing high numbers and by bolded comments as mutually exclusive “that doesn’t make sense.”

You're welcome to show evidence of that.

As a sidebar, "actual enforcement", is not the shocking thing. How the enforcement are being carried out kinda is.

rambot · 2025-10-15T09:33:00-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
Were abuses of power and unprofessional conduct from agents happening during the raids and round-ups that happened under Obama? Almost certainly. But they would've been much less visible, as the prevalence of the "HD video recording device in everyone's pocket" was much lower back then, so you didn't have a hundred people standing around filming every interaction and uploading it to where millions of people could see it.

"almost certainly" he says....with 0 evidence.

Now you have Miller screaming at his underlings to BE awful as they do their work. Look at the ads they've created to try to entice folks to work for ice

What is with the attempts to excuse this admins behaviour by baselessly suggesting this has happenned before just like this.

This admin is simply not like any other in terms of their bruttishness and that is a design.

ThatRobGuy · 2025-10-15T10:40:39-0500

rambot said:
"almost certainly" he says....with 0 evidence.

If there wasn't, that would make the ICE agency under Obama literally only law enforcement agency in the country that didn't have cases of abuse of power or complaints about aggressive behavior.

But as far as the "0 evidence" thing...

A 2013 ACLU report described harsh detention conditions, including solitary confinement, physical mistreatment, and medical neglect.

2011–2013: Lawsuits in California and New York alleged ICE agents broke into homes without warrants and used physical force during arrests.

Numerous ICE detention facilities under Obama drew criticism.
Reports included:
- Deaths in custody due to medical neglect.
- Sexual abuse allegations.
- Retaliation against detainees who complained.

...but as I noted, the use of independent cell phone journalism (that gets viewed by millions of people a few hours later) wasn't nearly as prevalent back then.

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