Should Trump have been banned from running for president?

Paulwat said:

under the 14th Amendment (Section 3), which literally bans anyone who engaged in or incited an insurrection from serving in government.

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Paulwat said:

Do you think Donald Trump should've been banned from running for president?

I still can’t wrap my head around the fact that Donald Trump was allowed to run for president again after everything that happened on January 6th, 2021. The Capitol riots weren’t just a random protest that got out of hand they were a direct result of months of Trump spreading lies about a “stolen” election and pressuring officials to overturn the results.


A sitting president encouraged his supporters to march on Congress during the certification of an election he lost, and people died because of it. That alone should’ve disqualified him from holding office again under the 14th Amendment (Section 3), which literally bans anyone who engaged in or incited an insurrection from serving in government.


On top of that, there are his criminal indictments... from trying to interfere in Georgia’s election results to mishandling classified documents. Any one of those cases would’ve ended most politicians’ careers, but somehow Trump’s using them as campaign fuel.

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Whether you’re left, right, or independent, how does this not set a terrifying precedent? If someone can try to overturn an election and still be allowed to run again, what’s stopping future leaders from doing the same — maybe more effectively next time?

It's dangerous to allow a man like hin to have power.

What do you think?should the courts or Congress have acted to enforce the insurrection clause?

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Paulwat said:

Do you think Donald Trump should've been banned from running for president?

I still can’t wrap my head around the fact that Donald Trump was allowed to run for president again after everything that happened on January 6th, 2021. The Capitol riots weren’t just a random protest that got out of hand they were a direct result of months of Trump spreading lies about a “stolen” election and pressuring officials to overturn the results.


A sitting president encouraged his supporters to march on Congress during the certification of an election he lost, and people died because of it. That alone should’ve disqualified him from holding office again under the 14th Amendment (Section 3), which literally bans anyone who engaged in or incited an insurrection from serving in government.


On top of that, there are his criminal indictments... from trying to interfere in Georgia’s election results to mishandling classified documents. Any one of those cases would’ve ended most politicians’ careers, but somehow Trump’s using them as campaign fuel.

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Whether you’re left, right, or independent, how does this not set a terrifying precedent? If someone can try to overturn an election and still be allowed to run again, what’s stopping future leaders from doing the same — maybe more effectively next time?

It's dangerous to allow a man like hin to have power.

What do you think?should the courts or Congress have acted to enforce the insurrection clause?

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ViaCrucis said:

I don't hide my feelings about Trump. I am emphatically anti-Trump. I think the entire Trump-movement is dangerous, anti-American, anti-democratic, anti-republican--and we are seeing the decay of our Constitutional Republic in real time right here and right now.

And yes, I think Trump's actions when he called on his supporters to march on the Capitol, and the ensuing violence of the insurrection at the Capitol building is one of a litany of reasons as to why this man is not only unfit to hold the office he currently holds; but should be held criminally liable.

However, legal precedent has effectively rendered that a president is essentially unable to be indicted for what they do in their capacity as president--which I think is an extremely dangerous position for us to take legally--and so I am unable or at least unaware of anything that could have legally prevented Trump from running for his second term. The political system in the US is such that even Donald Trump, given everything he has done, is still able to run--and even be voted in--as POTUS.

I am more disturbed and saddened that, given all the facts, we as a people, allowed this to happen. It's one thing that our systems in place are the way they are; but that we as the American People, were able to give him enough votes that the Electoral College could vote him into office for a second term demonstrates the terrible darkness that exists over this nation. It speaks to American apathy and antipathy toward basic morality, to the fundamental comprehension of right and wrong, to our apathy and antipathy toward truth. It speaks--it shouts--at the brokenness of this nation and her people.

This is our national scandal. This is our international shame. That we should be so easily duped by such an obvious conman and wretch of a human who plainly and explicitly told us to our faces that he wanted power, he wants to hurt those who don't like him, who has spoken openly of wanting to be a dictator, of hunting down his political rivals and opponents, and is not hung up on any moral scruples about what it means to not only be a decent person, but who is so brazen and obvious in his corruption, hunger for power, and his bottomless gluttony for pettiness--is a testament to the crisis of the American national soul.

If God judges whole nations, then Donald Trump is a scourge, a force of evil permitted to sweep through the nation and shatter and break us. Will we, like Israel of old when Assyria and Babylon swept in bringing destruction and sowing death, repent--or shall we be utterly annihilated? This last statement is, in part, intentional hyperbole. But I do, in truth, believe that if we do not recognize the crisis of this moment in American history, then the future books written and taught in schools will speak of the United States that once was, but is no longer. How soon will those books be written? Who can say? And that isn't hyperbole.

-CryptoLutheran

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