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Background Check Likely Prevented Massacre in Dearborn, MI

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Hasan Chokr threatened children and their parents at a daycare center at a Jewish synagogue in Dearborn Michagan. This happened in 2022. After threatening people at the synagogue and spewing antisemitic slurs, he went to a gun shop and handled several weapons. He decided to buy a rifle, a shotgun and a pistol but a background check blocked the purchase. Chokr had been convicted of theft in 2017 and had a pending assault charge against him. He was out on bail.

Chokr has now been sentenced to 34 months in prison on Federal charges.
This is one case where background checks worked, they did what they are supposed to do. I do wish the sentence had been longer.

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Dearborn Man Sentenced for Illegally Possessing Firearms after Antisemitic Tirade Against Parents and Preschoolers at Local Synagogue


https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-868642
 

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We had a mass shooting in Sebring, FL. At a local bank, five women were lined up, told to lay down and shot in the back of the head. The shooter, Stephan Xaver, has now been convicted and sentenced to death. It took over five years for the courts to deliver a conviction, although he called 911 and told the dispatcher that he had shot five people. Xaver picked the gun up from a gun shop just before committing the crime. Florida has a three day waiting period, so he had ordered the gun a few days earlier.

Xaver had just moved to Florida from Kentucky. An ex-girlfriend had taken out a restraining order against him in Kentucky. A restraining order is grounds for a background check to block a firearm sale. The problem is that the background check system is not advanced enough, or organized enough, to handle this situation. When someone tries to buy a gun in Florida, the information that there is a restraining order against that person in Kentucky is not immediately available in Florida. Maybe the problem is that the database is only updated occasionally. It is possible that a system of background checks more advanced or more organized than the one we have could have prevented the Sebring bank shooting.
 
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Hasan Chokr threatened children and their parents at a daycare center at a Jewish synagogue in Dearborn Michagan. This happened in 2022. After threatening people at the synagogue and spewing antisemitic slurs, he went to a gun shop and handled several weapons. He decided to buy a rifle, a shotgun and a pistol but a background check blocked the purchase. Chokr had been convicted of theft in 2017 and had a pending assault charge against him. He was out on bail.

Chokr has now been sentenced to 34 months in prison on Federal charges.
This is one case where background checks worked, they did what they are supposed to do. I do wish the sentence had been longer.

Sources
Dearborn Man Sentenced for Illegally Possessing Firearms after Antisemitic Tirade Against Parents and Preschoolers at Local Synagogue


https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-868642
background checks can be great and it is great that this was stopped, but the thing with background checks is there HAS To be a documented background for that to work. In this case there was, but if a person has no record that is documented it is not going to show up on a background check
 
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Mental health issues as well, which could have been a warning sign for a background check.
If the background check covered anything other than involuntary commitment and being declared mentally incompetent by a court…which it doesn’t.
 
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If the background check covered anything other than involuntary commitment and being declared mentally incompetent by a court…which it doesn’t.

I will have to gently disagree with you. Take a look at this:

There are ten categories of persons who are not eligible to purchase or possess a firearm under federal law (Title 18, United States Code 922(g)(1)-(9), (n)). They are:

  1. Convicted of a felony (or equivalent)​
  2. Fugitive from justice​
  3. Unlawful user or addicted to a controlled substance​
  4. Adjudicated mentally defective or involuntarily committed to treatment​
  5. Illegal alien​
  6. Dishonorable discharge from the US Armed Forces​
  7. Renounced United States citizenship​
  8. Active protection order (restraining order, injunction for protection, etc.)​
  9. Convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence​
  10. Under indictment or information for a felony​
Source:
FDLE - Requirements to Purchase a Firearm
The FDLE is the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.


So there are a number of things that can theoretically block a firearms sale, provided that when they apply to an individual, they get put into a state database, which is then shared with other states. Point #8 is a "protection order" or "restraining order," which I mentioned earlier.






 
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So there are a number of things that can theoretically block a firearms sale, provided
None of which were mentioned in my post nor the one it was in reply to as they were only discussing things related to point four.
 
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