The Beast of Revelation is a Political and Religious Entity.

reddogs · Apr 19, 2025

A Beast in prophecy is identified as a Kingdom which symbolizes a Nation.
Daniel 7:23
Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

But at the same time this Nation which is demanding worship
Revelation 14:9
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

And we see what happens who accede to its demands..
Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

And it is pictured as a women on it which in bible prophecy symbolizes a church.

Revelation 17:3-6
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.
6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

This means that the Beast is both political and religious, and we find the following about the Church of Rome.

“No other religious system has [these] two powers, both political and religious.” -(The Godfathers, pg.3 Dr. Alberto Rivera)

"The Pope State, a unique entity within the heart of Rome, stands as a symbol of spiritual authority and historical significance. Encompassing the Vatican City, this independent city-state serves not only as the papal residence but also as a focal point for millions of Catholics worldwide."The Role of the Pope in Vatican City: A Political Perspective | Actualizado February 2025

"Vatican City, the world’s smallest independent state, holds a profound significance that extends far beyond its geographical size. Nestled within the city of Rome, Italy, this sovereign entity serves as the spiritual and administrative center of the Roman Catholic Church."Significance of Vatican City - Catholicism

“The Vatican is a government itself. It is a political state of which every Roman Catholic becomes a member at the time of baptism… Their allegiance should be to Rome first, then to the country in which they were born.” -Double-Cross, pg. 29

"Vatican City was established as an independent state in the year 1929 by the Lateran Treaty."The Vatican's government

"Vatican City is the smallest state in the world, measuring only 108 acres, and is located entirely within the city of Rome.'" 14 New Catholic Encyclopedia 555 (1981 edition).

"The Vatican City, often simply referred to as the Vatican, is the smallest independent city-state in the world, both in terms of area and population. Enclaved within the city of Rome, it stands out as a sovereign state that operates independently from Italy. The Vatican is the spiritual and administrative headquarters of the Roman Catholic Church, serving as the residence of the Pope..."Why Is The Vatican Not Part Of Italy? A Historical And Political Explanation

The Beast of Revelation is clearly a Political and Religious entity and we see who it is if we discern what Gods Word gives us.

Tigger Boy · Apr 26, 2025

Reddogs, I'm sure you have experience frustration on many occasions while you have shared from scripture the correct understanding on death, hell, and the sabbath, only to discover, that individuals will still adamantly defend what their religion teaches even through it is not supported by a "thus saith the Lord."

But are you any different than they when you promote our teaching that the first beast of Revelation 13 is the Rome Catholic Church, despite the prophecy foretelling the timing in which the first beast rises from the sea, will be after one of it's seven heads, (the papacy), wound is healed. You are well aware that wound was inflicted in 1798, and it did not start it's healing until 1929, under the Latern Tready. As of this day the wound is not fully healed nor will it be, until the Roman Catholic Church joins in consolidation with the six other heads (religions) and the ten kings (the ten toes of Dan. 2) which make up this beast.

Based on the specific timing in which the two beast in Revelation 13, are to appear on the worlds scene (some point in the future), our interpretation (SDA) of which you adamantly defend, is invalid.

Amo2 · 2025-10-10T08:23:04-0500

Tigger Boy said:
Reddogs, I'm sure you have experience frustration on many occasions while you have shared from scripture the correct understanding on death, hell, and the sabbath, only to discover, that individuals will still adamantly defend what their religion teaches even through it is not supported by a "thus saith the Lord."

But are you any different than they when you promote our teaching that the first beast of Revelation 13 is the Rome Catholic Church, despite the prophecy foretelling the timing in which the first beast rises from the sea, will be after one of it's seven heads, (the papacy), wound is healed. You are well aware that wound was inflicted in 1798, and it did not start it's healing until 1929, under the Latern Tready. As of this day the wound is not fully healed nor will it be, until the Roman Catholic Church joins in consolidation with the six other heads (religions) and the ten kings (the ten toes of Dan. 2) which make up this beast.

Based on the specific timing in which the two beast in Revelation 13, are to appear on the worlds scene (some point in the future), our interpretation (SDA) of which you adamantly defend, is invalid.

Interesting. Why will you ignore the chronological order of beasts developed in the book of Daniel, and insist apparently, that all seven should exist at the same time? I can understand why one should determine that certain elements or influences of prior beast or kingdoms would continue on in those they were succeeded by, but not why they should all exist at the same time.

Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame. 12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

The final beast is destroyed by God at the end as described above and in Rev 19:20 & 20:10. The rest of the preceding beasts lives are prolonged for a season and time. That is to say I take it, that though their kingdom was defeated and overtaken by another, the people lived on whose religion and influence was absorbed by their conquerers. This is not so with the final beast, which having elements of all those before within as noted in the first two verses of Rev 13, morphs from 4th to 5th beast succeeding those before it in a different manner than attained their status as beasts. That is to say being succeeded from powers within, not from being conquered from without. Which beast also later resurrects as it were, unto the seventh and final beast which is destroyed in the lake of fire.

Resurrection - Rev 13:3&4, 15&16, & 17:8, 10&11

Destruction - Rev 19:20 & 20:10

It is the dragon that has seven heads, the first beast of Rev 13 being the manifestation of one of those heads and therefore the dragon, being described. Each beast represents one of the heads of the dragon, being his representation to the world during their reign. Existing in direct relationship to and or opposed to God's people or nation on this earth.

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Beasts, kings, heads, and mountains all representing these same counterfeit kingdoms of the evil one in defiance and at war with the kingdom of God. As they are all said to be one another and or spoken of interchangeably in the following verses.

Rev 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

They are the dragons counterfeit kingdoms or mountains if you will, as he was kicked out of the mountain or kingdom of God, which he manifests upon this earth through fallen humanity in defiance of God and His everlasting kingdom.

Ezk 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. 16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Jer 51:24 And I will render unto Babylon and to all the inhabitants of Chaldea all their evil that they have done in Zion in your sight, saith the LORD. 25 Behold, I am against thee, O destroying mountain, saith the LORD, which destroyest all the earth: and I will stretch out mine hand upon thee, and roll thee down from the rocks, and will make thee a burnt mountain. 26 And they shall not take of thee a stone for a corner, nor a stone for foundations; but thou shalt be desolate for ever, saith the LORD.

Babylon is the connecting factor of all the New Covenant or final beasts of biblical prophecy. The evil one is her king and gives her, her seat of authority.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Tigger Boy · 2025-10-10T11:39:54-0500

Amo2 said:
Why will you ignore the chronological order of beasts developed in the book of Daniel, and insist apparently, that all seven should exist at the same time?

Amo2, appreciate your interest in this conversation. If we were discussing the prophecies of Daniel, you would see I do not ignore the chronology of those four beast. However, this discussion is on the first beast of Rev. 13. One should not ignore the descriptive details of the beast if we are to understand its true identity. In this case the beast has seven heads and ten horns bearing crowns, and upon the heads the name of blasphemy. Too, it has some resemblance of a leopard, feet of a bear, and a lions mouth, representing the final union of nations, multitudes, and languages.

I will explain in further detail what makes up this beast should you be interested, but before I do I have a question for you. The reason for me asking is I surmise you have no idea as to what world wide events will propel this beast onto the world’s stage, therefore, your understanding of what this beast represents and what Satan intends to achieve through it is incorrect.

My question. What prophetic events forces the first beast of Rev. 13., up out of the sea?

Amo2 said:
It is the dragon that has seven heads, the first beast of Rev 13 being the manifestation of one of those heads and therefore the dragon, being described. Each beast represents one of the heads of the dragon, being his representation to the world during their reign. Existing in direct relationship to and or opposed to God's people or nation on this earth.

Yes, the dragon of Rev. 12, has seven heads, but the first beast of Rev. 13, emerges from the sea, which represents nations, multitudes, and languages, unlike the dragon who appears from heaven, (Rev. 12:3). This beast cannot be representative of one of its heads, since it has seven, not to mention the ten horns and the 42 months it is given to power, after it appears.

I will identify this beast, but before I do, I’m interested in what you think the head that had the fatal wound represents along with the ten horns and if the 42 months are literal or 1260 years, day for a year?

I’ll be anxious to hear from you.

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