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Trump sends troops to the 'warzone' of Portland...

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If only you had that zeal during the last election.
I did what I could as an Independent voter, but the mainline Dems didn't give me much to go on. AOC28! But I would be happy to support Tammy Duckworth. She was nudged out of the VP spot in '24 by Harris, but I think the way things turned out, if she had been VP she would be President now,
 
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Gee, if it's only one block I wonder why it's gone on for so long. Seems like the local police could handle that. Why haven't they?
They've given it as much attention as necessary for a peaceable assembly
 
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It's not the only place they are and not yhe only place they have been violent. Heck we have leftist politicians talking about putting bullets in opponents brains and wishing their children are killed. We have a LARGE amount of leftists who support political violence and assassinations.

So Im really wondering who should be considering leaving and why and who is really causing problems here.
You know the info in here is a big nothing burger...support and talk.

1 block in a 135sq mile city.


Why do you keep listening to this admin?
 
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That's nice, but the military are not police, and it is not a warzone by any definition unless you are severely mentally deluded.
Young folks today don't remember the real riots of the past.

If there was today the kind of violence that required mobilization of the National Guard in the past, the news would be filled with images of burning buildings every day.
 
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Young folks today don't remember the real riots of the past.

If there was today the kind of violence that required mobilization of the National Guard in the past, the news would be filled with images of burning buildings every day.
Part of the problem is that a certain segment of the population does have their news filled with images and accounts of burning buildings (and other riotous acts) every day. They just fail to recognize that these images and accounts are reposts, exaggerations, out-of-context, or flat-out fakes. The ability of propagandists to manufacture a narrative out of whole cloth has increased massively since the '60s and '70s - and even the '90s - and there are far more people willing and able to do so. The public has, at the same time, become far more credulous, willing to unquestioningly accept whatever narrative fits their narrow worldview.
 
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Part of the problem is that a certain segment of the population does have their news filled with images and accounts of burning buildings (and other riotous acts) every day. They just fail to recognize that these images and accounts are reposts, exaggerations, out-of-context, or flat-out fakes. The ability of propagandists to manufacture a narrative out of whole cloth has increased massively since the '60s and '70s - and even the '90s - and there are far more people willing and able to do so. The public has, at the same time, become far more credulous, willing to unquestioningly accept whatever narrative fits their narrow worldview.
Okay, point yours.
 
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Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem today accused Oregon Gov. Tina Kotek and Portland Mayor Keith Wilson of "covering up" terrorism on Portland's streets.

"I was in Portland yesterday and had the chance to visit with the governor of Oregon and also the mayor there in town, and they are absolutely covering up the terrorism that is hitting their streets," Noem said during a roundtable about antifa that Trump held at the White House this afternoon.

"These leaders in these local cities, along with Pritzker and Johnson, ignore what’s going on, or, sir, they’re helping antifa cover it up," she added.
 
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They only do that when they want to put on a show raid, like recently in Chicago or that pot farm on Ventura.
The raids actually grabbed criminals. So, its not a show. I was right, you just don't want them going after illegals if you are calling raids that actually got illegals and some really bad illegals a show.
For many years nearly about half the illegals in the country have been visa overstays. This was ICE's main responsibility and they did almost nothing about it.
True, and tHey should have. But then we had presidents who didn't want them too. Congressmen too. It's been a bi-partisan failure.
 
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So you’re saying if the ICE facility was not there that there would be less violence?
I think the facility has been there a while and there was no violence. There wasn’t the violence until the radical leftists created it. If they left it would go back to peaceful.
 
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You know the info in here is a big nothing burger...support and talk.

1 block in a 135sq mile city.


Why do you keep listening to this admin?
Why are you listening to fake news? It's more than a block.

Its also not the the whole city. I know the facts on the ground. Im not fooled about whats going on there. I've been watching the live feeds. I know what it is and isn't.
 
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Why are you listening to fake news? It's more than a block.

Its also not the the whole city. I know the facts on the ground. Im not fooled about whats going on there. I've been watching the live feeds. I know what it is and isn't.
Where are the live feeds? I would like to watch them during the weekend. I found this (24 hours outside ICE: What is really going on in Portland) that has the latest 24h but I don't know if they are going to be sending again. The latest 24h outside the ICE facility didn't seem problematic, in now way did the local pd need any help at least.
 
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I think the facility has been there a while and there was no violence. There wasn’t the violence until the radical leftists created it. If they left it would go back to peaceful.
So what changed to make the ICE facility a violence magnate. If it was peaceful initially what changed?
 
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Portland Frog Brigade is growing.

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Part of the problem is that a certain segment of the population does have their news filled with images and accounts of burning buildings (and other riotous acts) every day. They just fail to recognize that these images and accounts are reposts, exaggerations, out-of-context, or flat-out fakes. The ability of propagandists to manufacture a narrative out of whole cloth has increased massively since the '60s and '70s - and even the '90s - and there are far more people willing and able to do so. The public has, at the same time, become far more credulous, willing to unquestioningly accept whatever narrative fits their narrow worldview.

Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem today accused Oregon Gov. Tina Kotek and Portland Mayor Keith Wilson of "covering up" terrorism on Portland's streets.

"I was in Portland yesterday and had the chance to visit with the governor of Oregon and also the mayor there in town, and they are absolutely covering up the terrorism that is hitting their streets," Noem said during a roundtable about antifa that Trump held at the White House this afternoon.

"These leaders in these local cities, along with Pritzker and Johnson, ignore what’s going on, or, sir, they’re helping antifa cover it up," she added.

“The distance between what is said and what is known to be true has become an abyss.” -- Mon Mothma
 
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Please keep it peaceful like the last time.
It won't matter. I've already been declared a terrorist.

Johnson describes planned No Kings rally as ‘hate America,’ ‘pro-Hamas’ gathering

Speaker Mike Johnson on Friday slammed the No Kings protest march scheduled to take place at the National Mall next week, describing the planned protest as the “hate America rally” that would draw “the pro-Hamas wing” and “the antifa people.”

Rep. Tom Emmer (R-Minn.), another senior House Republican, also criticized the planned demonstration and blamed it for prolonging the shutdown. Telling reporters Democrats had caved to the “terrorist wing of their party,” Emmer alluded to a “hate America rally in D.C. next week.”
 
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It won't matter. I've already been declared a terrorist.

Johnson describes planned No Kings rally as ‘hate America,’ ‘pro-Hamas’ gathering

Speaker Mike Johnson on Friday slammed the No Kings protest march scheduled to take place at the National Mall next week, describing the planned protest as the “hate America rally” that would draw “the pro-Hamas wing” and “the antifa people.”

Rep. Tom Emmer (R-Minn.), another senior House Republican, also criticized the planned demonstration and blamed it for prolonging the shutdown. Telling reporters Democrats had caved to the “terrorist wing of their party,” Emmer alluded to a “hate America rally in D.C. next week.”
I don't know if rhey will show up and cause problems or not. Last time seemed okay. It is a hate America rally, with a false premise, but as long as it remains calm like last time, I don't see an issue with it.
 
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I think it's amazing that you guys aren't fleeing the USA.
I want to, but my autistic brother and my disabled mom lives United States.
 
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Leftists got angry because they decided they didn't like ICE doing their job.
The ICE was doing their job, When Obama and Biden was in Office. I don't want my family and other families to be violent taking out their home in the middle night. Especially if they are innocent.
 
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