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How can we save America from the radicals?

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America is caught in a tug-of-war that feels like it’s pulling the nation apart at the seams. On one side stands the radical left (woke left), proudly flying the banner of Marx’s vision of communism under the modern guise of “wokeness.” On the other side, a growing segment of the radical right (woke right), fed up (and hey, fair enough — their frustration with the left isn’t wrong) with the institutionalization of the Left’s agenda in our schools, media, and government, is beginning to embrace the rhetoric and logic of fascism.

What’s happening here is not new — it’s a dialectic at work. Philosophers like Hegel, and later Karl Marx, explained history as a process of thesis, antithesis, and synthesis. An idea or system (the thesis) is challenged by its opposite (the antithesis), and out of that clash comes a new state of affairs (the synthesis).

In the 20th century, we watched this play out in real time. The old monarchies and empires of Europe collapsed after World War I, and into that vacuum came two radical opposites: communism and fascism. Lenin’s Bolsheviks took Russia and promised a classless utopia by abolishing private property and dissolving traditional institutions. Fascists like Mussolini in Italy and Hitler in Germany rose up as a direct reaction, promising to crush communism with nationalism, authoritarian control, and corporatist economies.

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America is caught in a tug-of-war that feels like it’s pulling the nation apart at the seams. On one side stands the radical left (woke left), proudly flying the banner of Marx’s vision of communism under the modern guise of “wokeness.” On the other side, a growing segment of the radical right (woke right), fed up (and hey, fair enough — their frustration with the left isn’t wrong) with the institutionalization of the Left’s agenda in our schools, media, and government, is beginning to embrace the rhetoric and logic of fascism.

What’s happening here is not new — it’s a dialectic at work. Philosophers like Hegel, and later Karl Marx, explained history as a process of thesis, antithesis, and synthesis. An idea or system (the thesis) is challenged by its opposite (the antithesis), and out of that clash comes a new state of affairs (the synthesis).

In the 20th century, we watched this play out in real time. The old monarchies and empires of Europe collapsed after World War I, and into that vacuum came two radical opposites: communism and fascism. Lenin’s Bolsheviks took Russia and promised a classless utopia by abolishing private property and dissolving traditional institutions. Fascists like Mussolini in Italy and Hitler in Germany rose up as a direct reaction, promising to crush communism with nationalism, authoritarian control, and corporatist economies.

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The bigger problem is the church, which was created to spread love, is slowly being drug into the war. How do I spread the word when there isn't a church out there that hasn't taken a side; I'm not a preacher. Don't get me wrong it's not bad to field a specific political topic in a sermon and how the bible sees that particular topic, but it's a complete other thing to preach complete political blanket statements from the pulpit. I literally got told last Sunday that it was my Christian duty to vote for a particular political party, no context just that. On one side you have the woke left inciting violence, accepting money from foreign organizations to fund citizens to incite chaos, preaching communism (literally the opposite end of the spectrum of our current economic system which is capitalism), and several other harmful actions under the guise of freedom. On the other hand, you have the intolerant right spreading hate under the guise of defending principles, stealing the glory of retribution from God, so drunk on pride that they fail to see they are not justified or better than, they are sinners as we all are. The thing is that church and state were originally separated to keep this from happening. Politics are about what policies are best for the land, the nation's people as a whole, and the complete dominance in ideas and centralization of power for one political group is harmful. I'm pretty sure the book of Revelation has taught us that the Devil doesn't show up with horns and a pitchfork. He shows up with answers, solutions, policies that make sense, peace; it is only after he has absolute power and domination does he incite destruction. We need a division of power; we need both parties. Politics handles policies. It is our jobs as Christians to spread love. It doesn't matter who is in charge. They are the minority. If we spread love to everyone then they only control what is not important. How can I go out on the streets right now and convince someone to seek a haven in the church. Right now, I'd be leading them to the lion's den. The church needs to take a step back from politics and work on changing the people's hearts; the rest will fall into place.
 
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