The Schumer Shutdown

Desk trauma · Sunday at 10:48 AM

BCP1928 said:
That's the issue, isn't it? That Trump's vision of the Constitution is warped and ugly, and misrepresents the vision of the framers.

I’m sure his understanding of the constitution is as extensive as his understanding of the Declaration of Independence.

Aldebaran · Sunday at 1:19 PM

Larniavc said:
Yeah but for many people it’s a low paid job which is not good enough to live on because the business owner is too bad at business to be able to pay a living wage without going bankrupt.

Who would want to support that system? It just encourages poor business practice and subsidises failing businesses.

Uh huh. And what is the employee in such a job free to do in a free market economy? He can apply for a better job with different employer.

Aldebaran · Sunday at 1:22 PM

Larniavc said:
That’s not the fault of the unions that’s fault of the business owners who put profits over people. Using bullyboy tactics to keep the working man in his place.

And you want to prop that system up? Why are you on the side of the people who sacked you?

I was working as a security guard with a security company that was contracted at a site of a factory. The factory was able to find a different contractor to take our place because our contractor had to charge the factory more for our services because we were now getting paid more, which our company told us they couldn't afford to do. So then the factory got a different security contractor that could do the job for less than what we were getting. That's how a free market economy works.

Aldebaran · Sunday at 1:25 PM

BCP1928 said:
That's the issue, isn't it? That Trump's vision of the Constitution is warped and ugly, and misrepresents the vision of the framers.

I doubt the framers of the Constitution wanted illegal aliens invading the country, and then getting benefits at the same time.

BCP1928 · Sunday at 1:43 PM

Aldebaran said:
I doubt the framers of the Constitution wanted illegal aliens invading the country, and then getting benefits at the same time.

What were the legal requirements for gaining residence at that time? How did they define "invasion?" What government health care benefits were valuable then and how did one qualify for them?

Always in His Presence · Sunday at 1:45 PM

7thKeeper said:
Seriously? In every single instant where some type of government healthcare system like what was talked about was implemented, it has lower costs and better overall health for the population, but you just aren't sure? Really?

Name two

DaisyDay · Sunday at 2:05 PM

Desk trauma said:
I’m sure his understanding of the constitution is as extensive as his understanding of the Declaration of Independence.

That is so mean! Just because he got the DoI totally wrong is no reason to impugn his knowledge and understanding of the Constitution. Sure, he came off as a total buffoon saying the DoI was about "a declaration of unity and love and respect" but anyone could make that mistake! Maybe he did have the reporter fired, but Moran's expression was incredulous and he refused to say Trump was right about Albrego Garcia's tattoos, so he had to go. We can't have reporters contradicting the president to his face!

DaisyDay · Sunday at 2:09 PM

Aldebaran said:
I doubt the framers of the Constitution wanted illegal aliens invading the country, and then getting benefits at the same time.

What benefits? For that matter, what illegal aliens? People crossed borders freely back in the late 18th century.

GoldenBoy89 · Sunday at 2:28 PM

Aldebaran said:
I doubt the framers of the Constitution wanted illegal aliens invading the country, and then getting benefits at the same time.

They owned people as slaves.

7thKeeper · Sunday at 2:38 PM

Always in His Presence said:
Name two

UK, France, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland.

There's five. All with differing systems, but all giving universal coverage by different means.

Larniavc · Sunday at 2:56 PM

Aldebaran said:
Uh huh. And what is the employee in such a job free to do in a free market economy? He can apply for a better job with different employer.

What if they can’t?

Larniavc · Sunday at 2:58 PM

Aldebaran said:
I was working as a security guard with a security company that was contracted at a site of a factory. The factory was able to find a different contractor to take our place because our contractor had to charge the factory more for our services because we were now getting paid more, which our company told us they couldn't afford to do. So then the factory got a different security contractor that could do the job for less than what we were getting. That's how a free market economy works.

I don’t get the point you are trying to make. Why didn’t you just apply for the new company? Isn’t that what happens in a free market economy?

Larniavc · Sunday at 3:02 PM

Aldebaran said:
I doubt the framers of the Constitution wanted illegal aliens invading the country, and then getting benefits at the same time.

I really do get the feeling that the framers of the Constitution had very little idea of how things would be after nearly 250 years.

Always in His Presence · Sunday at 3:09 PM

7thKeeper said:
UK, France, Finland, Sweden, Switzerland.

UK has an income tax rate of 40% if you make more than 52k

France has an income tax rate of 30%

Sweden has an income tax rate of 52%

If you truly believe the taxpayer is not paying for healthcare, you are greatly deceived

30-50% of your income for life.

7thKeeper · Sunday at 3:45 PM

Always in His Presence said:
UK has an income tax rate of 40% if you make more than 52k

France has an income tax rate of 30%

Sweden has an income tax rate of 52%

If you truly believe the taxpayer is not paying for healthcare, you are greatly deceived

30-50% of your income for life.

Please point out where I made such a claim? The topic was healthcare costs and results.
And you pulled at least some of those numbers from someone's behind. Average tax rate in Sweden for example is ~23%. Please don't tell me you're yet another one who doesn't under how tax brackets work, that seems to be a very common occurrence amongst US conservatives.

BCP1928 · Sunday at 4:31 PM

Always in His Presence said:
UK has an income tax rate of 40% if you make more than 52k

France has an income tax rate of 30%

Sweden has an income tax rate of 52%

If you truly believe the taxpayer is not paying for healthcare, you are greatly deceived

30-50% of your income for life.

All for health care?

Pommer · Sunday at 4:38 PM

Always in His Presence said:
UK has an income tax rate of 40% if you make more than 52k

France has an income tax rate of 30%

Sweden has an income tax rate of 52%

If you truly believe the taxpayer is not paying for healthcare, you are greatly deceived

30-50% of your income for life.

An F-35 costs somewhere around $110M (or 30 top-of-the-line MRI machines); fortunately due to tax-cuts, future generations will be paying.

Always in His Presence · Sunday at 4:50 PM

7thKeeper said:
Please point out where I made such a claim? The topic was healthcare costs and results.
And you pulled at least some of those numbers from someone's behind. Average tax rate in Sweden for example is ~23%. Please don't tell me you're yet another one who doesn't under how tax brackets work, that seems to be a very common occurrence amongst US conservatives.

Where does the government get its funds from?

BCP1928 · Sunday at 4:55 PM

Always in His Presence said:
Where does the government get its funds from?

From imposts, duty and taxes. Same places it always has.

rjs330 · Sunday at 6:55 PM

7thKeeper said:
Seriously? In every single instant where some type of government healthcare system like what was talked about was implemented, it has lower costs and better overall health for the population, but you just aren't sure? Really?

Uea becauae those systems were not the US system. Its not not the US tax system or givernment system.

Yeah Im not sure.

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