Has Kirk's Death Prompted You?

Pepperdoodle said:

I respectfully disagree.
Many saw the months of riots in the summer of 2020 as that.
What started out as peaceful protests the first a couple of weeks in late May was taken over by rioters and lasted for months across the nation.
I think J6 was in part a deflection by the Left overall to take focus off of people demanding the rioters be held accountable.
During the 2020 riots even Left leaning leaders encouraged them on. It was horrible.
But then came one day on J6 and it was the perfect storm for the Left to use.

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You are actually blaming the Left for J6. No MAGA responsibility.

Pepperdoodle said:

I didn't say it all was their fault, but they aren't as innocent as they claim to be.
Of course there were some from the Right involved.
Do you think the Left had nothing wrong they did that day?

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Like what?

Ray Comfort just spoke at a uni on behalf of TPUSA and it was one of the best vids I have seen in a long time. Very much well worth the watch

Pepperdoodle said:

Charlie Kirk wasn't anymore special than anyone else and he knew that it seems.
We all have the opportunity to be a Charlie whether in person or online.
I didn't follow the guy, but his stuff has been in news feeds more since he was murdered.
I'm angry that a Left leaning person thought the way to handle opinions he didn't like was to murder the person.
That's very dangerous!!
The murderer thought silencing Kirk's voice would take care of that or help, but it's only hurt that expectation.
We need to keep speaking the truth, yes in love and compassion when possible, but speak it and not let them, mostly the Left leaning, shut truth down!!

Whether you were a fan of Charlie's or not, has this prompted you to be more outspoken?

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I think about him and pray for him. We know he is with God. He must have got a standing applause. How can we come together and speak? They have start to arrest those who do here. Carried off an elderly man think happened a few times. That just stood and preach. It was called disturbing the peace. I don`t know if one needs permission now. Then again, I`m one person. And as well how the most flock to internet these days. the question is how we go about it. Charlie had a knack for debate and modern issues. I like how he always return to biblical truth. How he managed to twist it. That is a gift. He was right in that we have to reach the young people especially. Maybe we need to do something similar.

Pepperdoodle said:

I didn't say it all was their fault, but they aren't as innocent as they claim to be.
Of course there were some from the Right involved.
Do you think the Left had nothing wrong they did that day?

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No. I do not think “The Left” had anything to do on that day. You have evidence otherwise?

Pepperdoodle said:

I ask you a question and your reply is a question.
So you don't have an answer or don't want to say, I guess

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It is you who does not have an answer now.

I followed Charlie and he was in my top 5 I listened to for inspiration and really common sense debates about issues concerning society. Perhaps what I did not realise was his personal story as a Christian. How he seen the work he done as a Christian.

I am not a fan of mixing politics and religion as it can easily get out of hand and there seems to be no end to the too and fro of different opinions.

But Charlie had a way of making things simple and engaging with others on common grounds. Which was hearing each other out and then applying some critical thinking to find some common understanding of what is a realistic way of seeing things without the bias of cultural wars.

I think Kirk seen this as his Christian mission and in that sense I think he is inspiring. He often expressed his belief which were the foundation for his position. But also gave a logical and commonsense everyday reason why the Christian belief is a reasonable position to take.

I don't think I could do what he does and it makes me wonder if those such as other leaders from Turning point or from any Christian group or an individual Christian who went out in public speaking the same way. Or just evangelising and speaking the truth of the gospel would they also face persecution and death.

I think maybe Charlie has set a bench mark that in one way or another for Christians that we not be afraid to stand with Christ even if the going gets tough.

I think Charlies death has actually put Christians in a new light culturally and socially whether Christians are inspired or not. What happened to Charlie potentially could happen to others. So it causes Christians to reaffirm and reprove their faith in trying times. To put their faith on the line.

stevevw said:

To put their faith on the line.

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We know that among Christians there is a wide variety of what faith can look like. From Martin Luther King Jr to the horned shaman of January 6th fame, from Christian Nationalists to Rev William Barber. So we need deeper prayer and discernment but most of all humility to most effectively “put our faith on the line.”

stevevw said:

I don't think I could do what he does and it makes me wonder if those such as other leaders from Turning point or from any Christian group or an individual Christian who went out in public speaking the same way. Or just evangelising and speaking the truth of the gospel would they also face persecution and death.

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Yes. I believe that if we go out and share not only the Good News but also the bad news, we will face persecution. The bad news must always accompany the Good News.
The bad news is that we have sinned and broken God’s law, and because of this, we deserve death. Without that truth, the Good News makes little sense. Most people believe they are good and that their goodness will earn them heaven, but when we lovingly show them that they are not good, it often offends, and that offence can grow into ridicule or persecution.
Jesus did the same. He exposed sin, and the world hated Him for it. He said, “The world... hates Me because I testify about it, that its deeds are evil.”

In John 15:20 He warns, “A servant is not greater than his master. If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you.”
That’s a sobering verse. Many Christians today have never faced real persecution. We say we follow Christ, but do we truly walk in His footsteps? Too often, believers stay within the safety of the church walls, hoping people will come in to hear the Gospel. But Jesus told us to go and proclaim it to everyone.
The early disciples were fishers of men. While Modern disciples are often little more than aquarium keepers.

stevevw said:

I think maybe Charlie has set a bench mark that in one way or another for Christians that we not be afraid to stand with Christ even if the going gets tough.

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Well said. We have been given the Holy Spirit so that we would have a drive or the strength (power) to go and preach the Gospel (Acts 1:8). The Holy Spirit will also give us boldness (Acts 4:31) and clarity (Acts 2).

Hazelelponi said:

Even Jesus Christ said there's reason to get a divorce (adultery) so divorce isn't universally a sin. Each case is unique as to whether it is a sin.

However there's no instance of homosexuality that isn't a sin.

That's why the two things are approached differently from a policy making standpoint in society writ large, although keeping marriages together and the father in the home is a necessary thing in society so it's heavily promoted by the political right, as two parent families are the backbone of any society

When we aren't dealing with the exact same thing, we have to treat them differently. We can't promote making divorce illegal in our society when not even Jesus did that, for example, whereas we can in the case of homosexuality - and seeing the harm it causes to society, it likely should be illegal.

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Jesus said that "since the beginning it was not so" regarding divorce. Since this is the same argument the church uses against homosexuality, The distinction is not apparent.

Hazelelponi said:

When we make murder illegal and a criminal offense, we are "telling others what to do". Aka, we are telling everyone who wants to kill that it's not acceptable here, and if they do so will face punishment for it.

The law told Charlie Kirks murderer not to murder Charlie Kirk before he committed the crime.

Society makes rules based on the shared values of that society - and every society has their own version of what's acceptable and what kind of punishments should be meted out for which crimes.

The left of today is pathological and anarchist, while the rest of us are simply trying to keep a society the majority citizens are safe in and can potentially prosper in.

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This post didn't read what I said, so there's nothing to respond to.

1Tonne said:

Yes. I believe that if we go out and share not only the Good News but also the bad news, we will face persecution. The bad news must always accompany the Good News.
The bad news is that we have sinned and broken God’s law, and because of this, we deserve death. Without that truth, the Good News makes little sense. Most people believe they are good and that their goodness will earn them heaven, but when we lovingly show them that they are not good, it often offends, and that offence can grow into ridicule or persecution.
Jesus did the same. He exposed sin, and the world hated Him for it. He said, “The world... hates Me because I testify about it, that its deeds are evil.”

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Yes and I think in some ways they go hand in hand. Just the idea of God and Christ illicits good and evil and sin or immoral behaviour or whatever you care to frame it. I think most people fundementally understand this.

As mentioned it makes sense as moral and rational creatures that we know this by nature or intuition and belief.

But I think culturally there was a time when I think we did base human rights on being made in Gods image or in the image of some divine nature beyond subjective ideas we allowed such diversity of belief. This was multiculutalism. Part of the progressing ideology of DEI.

That idea has progressed into a religion of sorts itself which has filled the void left by God. It is no longer a all inclusive world where all beliefs are equal and allowed in the public square.

We seen the polarisation of politics such as cancel culture and how these once accepted differences are now at war with each other. A line has been crossed into a spiritual battle. This is not just about equality or politics but a spiritual battle. Coming down to a world with or without God.

So now to a growing number just speaking belief, which could include non Christian beliefs or ideas that many people may agree with such as on marriage or family. But just speaking these beliefs and truths is becoming dangerous let alone being able to preach the full gospel.

I recall Christ saying to the disciples to go into a town and preach the word but if they reject you move on.

1Tonne said:

In John 15:20 He warns, “A servant is not greater than his master. If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you.”
That’s a sobering verse. Many Christians today have never faced real persecution. We say we follow Christ, but do we truly walk in His footsteps? Too often, believers stay within the safety of the church walls, hoping people will come in to hear the Gospel. But Jesus told us to go and proclaim it to everyone.
The early disciples were fishers of men. While Modern disciples are often little more than aquarium keepers.

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Aquarian keepers, a good anology. And they put exotic fish species to show that their aquarian is the true fishy world lol.

I think you have identified where the culture and by extention where Christians are at in modern society. We have almost come full circle. The world is returning to the gagan days and likewise Christian now must return to the early church and other cultures where Christians are called to stand with Christ even in death.

In that sense I think we are going through a testing time and with that not only will we see evil in its full personification. But Christ within Christians. Bold Christians standing up for Christ. In that sense CHarlies death has emarked a new era that is coming to the minds of Christians.

1Tonne said:

Well said. We have been given the Holy Spirit so that we would have a drive or the strength (power) to go and preach the Gospel (Acts 1:8). The Holy Spirit will also give us boldness (Acts 4:31) and clarity (Acts 2).

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I think there are many ways to show the gospel and truth. Charlie was in the front line and politics has become a volitile place. Charlie had his mission to bring Gods truth to the future youth who would be running society. There will be others who will carry on.

But I think theres more than one way to skin a cat so to speak. I am nit sure the political arena is the place. US politics and religion is a unique expression. Though it appears similar conflicts are happening in all western nations between progressive and conservative and Christian and non Christian.

The many good Christians who help the poor in the gutters that no one else cares about have always been a shinning example. Following Christs example of humility and quietness in the background helping and saving many.

But also across all walks of life and prfession, doctors, psychologists, the many social welfare workers who are Christians and helping practically and in some way bring God to many by their example and disposition.

I think this will all be more recognised and rise up as a good example which backs the truth of Christ.

stevevw said:

In that sense I think we are going through a testing time and with that not only will we see evil in its full personification. But Christ within Christians. Bold Christians standing up for Christ. In that sense CHarlies death has emarked a new era that is coming to the minds of Christians.

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Sadly, I think in most Western churches, there is little desire to go out and share the Gospel with the lost. Most believers focus on making friends with unbelievers, then inviting them to church in the hope that they might hear the Gospel there.
This approach has weakened the Church. Many people now fill the pews not because they’ve come to the foot of the cross, but because they’ve come for friendship. A few may hear the Gospel and experience a true heart change, but most simply attend, enjoy the community, and then spend the week trying to invite another friend to church, and the cycle continues. The church grows in number but not in strength.
That said, I do believe there’s a place for friendship evangelism, but it should never be our main focus. We should always share the Gospel with our friends before inviting them to church. Our primary calling is to proclaim the Gospel. When we speak boldly, and people hear and are transformed, then they will want to come to church. That’s how the Church is filled with true believers rather than unbelievers seeking friendship. And if we share the full Gospel, both the bad news and the Good, with our new friend, and they reject it, then they won’t want to come to church. In that way, we avoid filling the Church with weeds and instead keep it a gathering for those who truly desire Christ.

stevevw said:

I think there are many ways to show the gospel and truth. .....But I think there's more than one way to skin a cat so to speak......The many good Christians who help the poor in the gutters that no one else cares about have always been a shinning example. Following Christs example of humility and quietness in the background, helping and saving many.

But also across all walks of life and prfession, doctors, psychologists, the many social welfare workers who are Christians and helping practically and in some way bring God to many by their example and disposition.

I think this will all be more recognised and rise up as a good example which backs the truth of Christ.

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People are watching us, and so we should do good deeds. It becomes a good witness. But this still does not replace the fact that we need to speak the Gospel. The Gospel is a spoken message. How shall they here without someone to tell them?
Our actions substantiate what we know and believe. And we can either be a good or a bad witness.
If we do bad things, our word becomes compromised, and people will be less likely to believe what we say. The opposite of this is when we act in love; this will lend credibility to our word. For example, in a court of law, if you have 2 people with conflicting testimonies, one is a prostitute, and the other is a doctor. The doctor is the one most people would believe, as his word is not compromised by his deeds, like the prostitute's. He is a good witness.
So, your actions validate what you believe, and then, when you do say the Gospel, people will be more likely to believe what you say.
But when doing good deeds, we must not forget to share the Gospel. We need to share the Gospel by speaking it. Our good deeds are not the power of God unto salvation. They only give us an opportunity to share, and they give our words credibility. Then, when we do say the Gospel, it will give glory to God.

Another example. If I were talking to someone downtown and a passerby heard me use God's name as a curse word, that would not be very good. Then, if I were to go to a park a few days after this and say the Gospel to that same passerby, my words that I say have been tainted because of my previous conduct. He would think to himself, "This fuller does not even truly believe himself because he uses his own God's name as a curse word." So, I am therefore not a good witness. My actions did not bring Glory to God. Instead, they were a disgrace. Our actions substantiate our words. Therefore, bringing Glory to God.

So, love our neighbour by caring for their needs. But also, love them enough to warn them of the condemnation that they are under. It would be unloving to know of God, everlasting life, Judgement, death and the way out, and then not to tell people of it. Love by deed and word.