Israel and the New Covenant.

This is the commandment/work of God..


John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


After that belief, with the love of God shed in your heart by the Holy Ghost given, the good Shepherd guides HIs own sheep.



Romans 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.


John 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

now the false teachers/prophets are ended.


Zechariah 13:2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.

Ezekiel 34:10 Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.

1 John 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

childeye 2 said:

YESSS!!


I find it comforting to be corrected by the comforter.

Excellent choice of scripture. The Holy Spirit instructs me in The Way.

Amen, For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Your post strengthened my confidence that I'm not crazy. Thank you for the edification.

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well you met a friend then, i hope you liked some of the testimony i tried to give on the forum too.

Maria Billingsley said:

Why leave out the very verse that tells us what His commandments are? OK. Well here it is. Thanks for sharing.


1 John 3:22-24
22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Be blessed.

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do those things that are pleasing in His sight.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.



Dilligently seek HIm in faith, is what pleases the Father, or we cant please Him. cant keep a a thing, or know or be guided what we should keep for the Lord Jesus Christ. ( which is to have mercy for all who need you and to lay your life down for your friends/the brothers

Its time to give this a rest.
Be blessed

SabbathBlessings said:

I wasn’t missing any of this. But you were originally talked about the law needing to change which is the law of the priesthood, so I was providing the context why it had to be changed because Jesus didn’t come from the tribe of Levi, which is what was written in the law of Moses it had to come from, Jesus came from Judah, hence why the priesthood law had to change so Jesus could be our High Priest in the NC.

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You missed the Christophany. Study the priesthood of Melchizedek.

SabbathBlessings said:

Yes, but that doesn’t change its meaning. Most of the time they were talking about the Sabbath. In this instance its Sabbath-keeping, why its a different name in the Greek.

This is the figurative meaning, not the literal. I do believe there is also a figurative meaning as well. In God’s heavenly rest, there is no disobedience or rebellion to Him or His commandments, just peace Isa 48:18 Sin is unrest and we see this contrast in Rev 14:11-12.

But that doesn’t delete the fact the literal meaning as shown, means keeping the Sabbath which remains for God’s people which keep in harmony of God’s promise Psa89:34 Mat5:19.

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The word has a different meaning in Mat 5:19. Sabbatismos, in the context of Heb. 4:9 does not mean sabbath keeping. The definition I posted is indeed literal. You can’t make up your own definitions. Other translations even render it as rest not sabbath. When a derivative of a word is used instead of the common word it means that the meaning is nuanced and not the same as the regular word otherwise why not just use the regular word.

NKJV

“There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.”
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KJV

“There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.”
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SabbathBlessings said:

So God is not Christ and Christ is not God. There is no dichotomy between God and Christ. This is a strange argument.

There is no Scripture that says this. It says clearly TODAY if you hear His voice don’t harden your heart as in the rebellion

Heb 4:7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”

Which is repeating what he said is Heb 3:7-19 and really repeating what David said in Psa 95.


Heb 95:7 Today, if you will hear His voice:
8 “Do not harden your hearts, as in the [c]rebellion,
As in the day of [d]trial in the wilderness,
9 When your fathers tested Me;
They tried Me, though they saw My work.
10 For forty years I was [e]grieved with that generation,
And said, ‘It is a people who go astray in their hearts,
And they do not know My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

Nothing about the day is today and is no longer Saturday. Not sure where you got that from but its not in the Text.

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Nah you can’t make it up as you go. The verse is clear. Let’s look at it again. You can’t ignore portions of scripture to satisfy your belief. He sets a new day BECAUSE “it remains for some to enter it”. He can’t possibly be talking about Israel here but of the church. Many are still yet to enter His rest. This is Christ post crucifixion rest and TODAY means any day. Christ wants us to worship Him daily not just one day of the week.

“Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who previously had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience, He again sets a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, “Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts.””
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SabbathBlessings said:

Keep in mind God of the Universe who does not change named the Sabbath, it’s the only day He gave a number and a name and claimed it has His.

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And Jesus changed it to TODAY. Jesus is God and can change what He wishes.

SabbathBlessings said:

God said when is the Sabbath written and spoken by God plainly Exo20:10 we either believe Him or we don’t and believe when He said He would not alter His words Psa89:34. If we don’t build our foundations around what the God of the Universe said, we are told to live By Mat4:4 I am afraid we are building our house on sand.

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Exo 20:10 belongs to the old covenant. Jesus brought the new covenant and the new covenant IS different than the old covenant. The Christian is NOT under the old covenant.

SabbathBlessings said:

This warning is exactly what people are doing today. Histroy repeats itself as we see from the pattern in Scripture Eze20:13 Heb4:11

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The warning is from Eze 20:13 has nothing to do with Heb 4:11. What confession are we to hold firmly to? The gospel of good news of course.

“Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let’s hold firmly to our confession.”
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SabbathBlessings said:

Yes, nothing at all about Today being the Sabbath, the Sabbath no longer the seventh day, Jesus is the Sabbath commandment therefore we can profane God’s Sabbath and holy day.

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Oh now Jesus is not God? Strange argument.

SabbathBlessings said:

These are all made up ideas and nothing the Text says.

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The text is clear. The Christian is not under the law and we worship the lord TODAY.

SabbathBlessings said:

I would be happy to go though each verse with you line by line, if I felt it would make a difference.

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I did that for you a few posts back and you ignored it. Go figure.

SabbathBlessings said:

Nothing is going to convince you we should keep the Sabbath, thats okay, it’s a choice. For me, I do not see anywhere in Scripture the Sabbath commandment has been abrogated.

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You are reading scripture with a conscious bias. You have to remove your rose color glasses to see the truth. You need to let the evidence prove your case instead of forcing the evidence to attempt to match your incorrect understanding. Every time that one’s understanding causes tension in scripture it means that we are forcing the interpretation. Your interpretation causes a ton of tension.

Maria Billingsley said:

Its time to give this a rest.
Be blessed

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It is Jesus rest after all.

SabbathBlessings said:

I am not the one who said God's rest is not Christs rest as if they are different and than accuse me of saying which you will never find in my posts that Jesus is not God.

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lol But you did. So, once again, you ignored most of my post. That’s rich.

SabbathBlessings said:

Here is the word by word Greek translation of Heb4:9 that works in harmony with God's promises Psa89:34 and the testimony of Jesus who is God Mat5:18-19 Mark 24:20 Isa66:23

The Sabbath rest is according to the commandment- God's commandment because He is God, and we are not.

God defined what and when is the Sabbath in His Testimony- there is no one greater than He.

We should worship God 365/24 7 and Jesus in His own words relates false worship by keeping our traditions over obeying the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Commandments. He said that is worshipping Him in vain Mark 7:7-13 Mat 15:3-14

I guess this debate will have to get sorted out when He comes. At that time all of our decisions will be sealed Rev 22:11

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It is a derivative which is why is only used once in scripture. And the nuance changes its meaning. Again, why use a derivative if the common word is what is meant?


σαββατισμός sabbatismós, sab-bat-is-mos'; from a derivative of G4521; a "sabbatism", i.e. (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven):—rest.

SabbathBlessings said:

Please quote me saying Jesus is not God.

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Your post 170. You said: “Jesus is the Sabbath commandment therefore we can profane God’s Sabbath and holy day.” Jesus is God.

SabbathBlessings said:

It says right in your post (figuratively) Its a derivative of sabaton the Sabbath because its not the same word. It means Sabbath-keeping, which remains for the people of God. The Sabbath and Sabbath keeping are different words hence why there are different Greek words used.

I provided the literal word by word translation.

In God's heavenly rest, no one is rebelling against God's commandments, that's what separated man from God, Isa 59:2. If one does not want to keep the Sabbath commandment now, I do not think they will be happy when His Sabbath holy convocation Lev23:3 continues for eternity Isa 66:23 thus saith the Lord.

Its why His judgement is one of love, not everyone will be happy in heaven, many like their sins John 3:19-21 more than they love Jesus to obey Him and follow His example He set forth for us Luke4:16 John15:10 1 Peter 2:21-22 1 John2:6 and live how He told us Mat4:4

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No. Once again, why use a derivative when the writer could have used the normal word? A word being defined as figurative only accentuates a particular message which could have a literal meaning. The word is obviously used here to impart a specific meaning that can not be imparted with the normal word. No where here does it say that the verse is subjective rather than objective.

SabbathBlessings said:

That was a typo. I meant Jesus is NOT the Sabbath commandment. But I am glad you realize this teaching is making Jesus not God, which I agree.

The Sabbath is something MAN DOES thus saith the Lord Isa 56:2 Exo20:8-11 Jesus never gave Himself a commandment, He kept them including the Sabbath because He always leads by example.



It’s already explained and provided the verbatim meaning in the Greek. No point in re-visiting

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You advocate that the 4th commandment is a moral commandment and it is necessary for salvation. Tell me, do you think that every professing Christian that goes to church on Sunday is doomed? Are we living in sin? Be honest with yourself and give a straight answer.

SabbathBlessings said:

Replace the 4th commandment with any of the other 9 commandments.

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So you are not going to give an honest answer. You posted scripture that make it seem that the answer is yes, those that worship on Sunday live in sin and cannot be saved. You just reduced the body of Christ to only those with your belief system. But you won’t give a straight answer which should be the logical ending to what you believe. This, of course, is unorthodox teaching and the Bible warns about that.

SabbathBlessings said:

No one answers to me, we all answer to God. Nothing we can hide from Him Ecc 12:13-14. If we don't believe His own written and spoken Testimony Exo 31:18, what I say matters not.

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In other words you will not answer. Your belief leads to death but you ignore the obvious.