Israel and the New Covenant.

[SabbathBlessings]

Jesus revealed right before His Second Coming one of the last Scriptures of the Bible.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers (Breaking commandment #1 Exodus 20:3) and sexually immoral (breaking commandment #7 Exodus 20:14) and murderers (breaking commandment #6 Exodus 20:13) and idolaters (breaking commandment #2 Exodus 20:4-6), and whoever loves and practices a lie (breaking # 9 Exodus 20:16 or any of the commandments 1 John 2:4) Breaking one we break them all James 2:11-12 Exo 20:1-17 .

Lets let God be God and let Him tell us His commandments which He did written and spoken, His Testimony. Deut 4:13 Exo31:18 Exo20:6

Believing in Him means believing in His words and having enough faith to do them James 1:22, instead of just hearing, or laying them aside for other people. Mark7:7-13

 

[Abraham1st]

This is the commandment/work of God..


John 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.


After that belief, with the love of God shed in your heart by the Holy Ghost given, the good Shepherd guides HIs own sheep.



Romans 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.


John 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

 

[Abraham1st]

now the false teachers/prophets are ended.


Zechariah 13:2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.

Ezekiel 34:10 Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver my flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.

1 John 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

 

[Abraham1st]

YESSS!!


I find it comforting to be corrected by the comforter.

Excellent choice of scripture. The Holy Spirit instructs me in The Way.

Amen, For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Your post strengthened my confidence that I'm not crazy. Thank you for the edification.

well you met a friend then, i hope you liked some of the testimony i tried to give on the forum too.

 

[Abraham1st]

Why leave out the very verse that tells us what His commandments are? OK. Well here it is. Thanks for sharing.


1 John 3:22-24
22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Be blessed.

do those things that are pleasing in His sight.

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.



Dilligently seek HIm in faith, is what pleases the Father, or we cant please Him. cant keep a a thing, or know or be guided what we should keep for the Lord Jesus Christ. ( which is to have mercy for all who need you and to lay your life down for your friends/the brothers

 

[SabbathBlessings]

What else doesn't please God.

Living in sin, not subjecting ourselves to God's laws.

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Faith does not void the law, it established it Rom3:31

We do not want to hear these words when Jesus comes

Mat 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, (believers)’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Its time to give this a rest.
Be blessed

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Faith is a Big word, not a small one. Faith does not mean we do not have to hear God's voice and rebel against what He placed in our hearts and minds- His laws. Heb8:10 its literally what we are told separated us from God Isa59:2 and is rebellion, sin and unbelief Heb3:7-19 and makes one an enmity to God Rom8:7-8. How this is even a popular doctrine makes no sense to me, but Scripture tells us when we go away from God's Truth - which is Jesus John 14:6, His commandments Psa 119:151 and His Word- John17:17 He will give them over to strong delusion. 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12

Its why its important to read all of our Bibles, and not eliminate or ignore the words we do not agree with. In the end, it really only hurts ourself, because God's Bible is His manual on how to love Him and love our neighbor. 1 John 5:2-3 and how we are reconciled back to Him Rev14:12 Rev 22:14

Jesus said if you love Me- keep My commandments John14:15- Jesus came to magnify His laws, not destroy. Which means to make greater, not lessor.

I hope we can get back to the OP but I wish everyone peace and happiness.

Isa 48:18
Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

 

[Hentenza]

I wasn’t missing any of this. But you were originally talked about the law needing to change which is the law of the priesthood, so I was providing the context why it had to be changed because Jesus didn’t come from the tribe of Levi, which is what was written in the law of Moses it had to come from, Jesus came from Judah, hence why the priesthood law had to change so Jesus could be our High Priest in the NC.

You missed the Christophany. Study the priesthood of Melchizedek.

Yes, but that doesn’t change its meaning. Most of the time they were talking about the Sabbath. In this instance its Sabbath-keeping, why its a different name in the Greek.

This is the figurative meaning, not the literal. I do believe there is also a figurative meaning as well. In God’s heavenly rest, there is no disobedience or rebellion to Him or His commandments, just peace Isa 48:18 Sin is unrest and we see this contrast in Rev 14:11-12.

But that doesn’t delete the fact the literal meaning as shown, means keeping the Sabbath which remains for God’s people which keep in harmony of God’s promise Psa89:34 Mat5:19.

The word has a different meaning in Mat 5:19. Sabbatismos, in the context of Heb. 4:9 does not mean sabbath keeping. The definition I posted is indeed literal. You can’t make up your own definitions. Other translations even render it as rest not sabbath. When a derivative of a word is used instead of the common word it means that the meaning is nuanced and not the same as the regular word otherwise why not just use the regular word.

NKJV

“There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.”
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There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.

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“There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭9‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Hebrews 4:9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. | New King James Version (NKJV) | Download The Bible App Now

There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.

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So God is not Christ and Christ is not God. There is no dichotomy between God and Christ. This is a strange argument.

There is no Scripture that says this. It says clearly TODAY if you hear His voice don’t harden your heart as in the rebellion

Heb 4:7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:

“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”

Which is repeating what he said is Heb 3:7-19 and really repeating what David said in Psa 95.


Heb 95:7 Today, if you will hear His voice:
8 “Do not harden your hearts, as in the [c]rebellion,
As in the day of [d]trial in the wilderness,
9 When your fathers tested Me;
They tried Me, though they saw My work.
10 For forty years I was [e]grieved with that generation,
And said, ‘It is a people who go astray in their hearts,
And they do not know My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

Nothing about the day is today and is no longer Saturday. Not sure where you got that from but its not in the Text.

Nah you can’t make it up as you go. The verse is clear. Let’s look at it again. You can’t ignore portions of scripture to satisfy your belief. He sets a new day BECAUSE “it remains for some to enter it”. He can’t possibly be talking about Israel here but of the church. Many are still yet to enter His rest. This is Christ post crucifixion rest and TODAY means any day. Christ wants us to worship Him daily not just one day of the week.

“Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who previously had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience, He again sets a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, “Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts.””
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭6‬-‭7‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 4:6-7 Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who previously had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience, He again sets a certain day, “Today,” saying through | New American Standard Bible - NAS

Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who previously had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience, He again sets a certain day, “Today,” saying through

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Keep in mind God of the Universe who does not change named the Sabbath, it’s the only day He gave a number and a name and claimed it has His.

And Jesus changed it to TODAY. Jesus is God and can change what He wishes.

God said when is the Sabbath written and spoken by God plainly Exo20:10 we either believe Him or we don’t and believe when He said He would not alter His words Psa89:34. If we don’t build our foundations around what the God of the Universe said, we are told to live By Mat4:4 I am afraid we are building our house on sand.

Exo 20:10 belongs to the old covenant. Jesus brought the new covenant and the new covenant IS different than the old covenant. The Christian is NOT under the old covenant.

This warning is exactly what people are doing today. Histroy repeats itself as we see from the pattern in Scripture Eze20:13 Heb4:11

The warning is from Eze 20:13 has nothing to do with Heb 4:11. What confession are we to hold firmly to? The gospel of good news of course.

“Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let’s hold firmly to our confession.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭14‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 4:14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let’s hold firmly to our confession. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let’s hold firmly to our confession.

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Yes, nothing at all about Today being the Sabbath, the Sabbath no longer the seventh day, Jesus is the Sabbath commandment therefore we can profane God’s Sabbath and holy day.

Oh now Jesus is not God? Strange argument.

These are all made up ideas and nothing the Text says.

The text is clear. The Christian is not under the law and we worship the lord TODAY.

I would be happy to go though each verse with you line by line, if I felt it would make a difference.

I did that for you a few posts back and you ignored it. Go figure.

Nothing is going to convince you we should keep the Sabbath, thats okay, it’s a choice. For me, I do not see anywhere in Scripture the Sabbath commandment has been abrogated.

You are reading scripture with a conscious bias. You have to remove your rose color glasses to see the truth. You need to let the evidence prove your case instead of forcing the evidence to attempt to match your incorrect understanding. Every time that one’s understanding causes tension in scripture it means that we are forcing the interpretation. Your interpretation causes a ton of tension.

 

[Hentenza]

Its time to give this a rest.
Be blessed

It is Jesus rest after all.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You missed the Christophany. Study the priesthood of Melchizedek.

The word has a different meaning in Mat 5:19. Sabbatismos, in the context of Heb. 4:9 does not mean sabbath keeping. The definition I posted is indeed literal. You can’t make up your own definitions. Other translations even render it as rest not sabbath. When a derivative of a word is used instead of the common word it means that the meaning is nuanced and not the same as the regular word otherwise why not just use the regular word.

NKJV

“There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭9‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Hebrews 4:9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. | New King James Version (NKJV) | Download The Bible App Now

There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.

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KJV

“There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭9‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Hebrews 4:9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. | New King James Version (NKJV) | Download The Bible App Now

There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.

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Nah you can’t make it up as you go. The verse is clear. Let’s look at it again. You can’t ignore portions of scripture to satisfy your belief. He sets a new day BECAUSE “it remains for some to enter it”. He can’t possibly be talking about Israel here but of the church. Many are still yet to enter His rest. This is Christ post crucifixion rest and TODAY means any day. Christ wants us to worship Him daily not just one day of the week.

“Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who previously had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience, He again sets a certain day, “Today,” saying through David after so long a time just as has been said before, “Today if you hear His voice, Do not harden your hearts.””
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭6‬-‭7‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 4:6-7 Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who previously had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience, He again sets a certain day, “Today,” saying through | New American Standard Bible - NAS

Therefore, since it remains for some to enter it, and those who previously had good news preached to them failed to enter because of disobedience, He again sets a certain day, “Today,” saying through

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And Jesus changed it to TODAY. Jesus is God and can change what He wishes.


Exo 20:10 belongs to the old covenant. Jesus brought the new covenant and the new covenant IS different than the old covenant. The Christian is NOT under the old covenant.

The warning is from Eze 20:13 has nothing to do with Heb 4:11. What confession are we to hold firmly to? The gospel of good news of course.

“Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let’s hold firmly to our confession.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭14‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 4:14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let’s hold firmly to our confession. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | Download The Bible App Now

Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let’s hold firmly to our confession.

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Oh now Jesus is not God? Strange argument.

The text is clear. The Christian is not under the law and we worship the lord TODAY.

I did that for you a few posts back and you ignored it. Go figure.


You are reading scripture with a conscious bias. You have to remove your rose color glasses to see the truth. You need to let the evidence prove your case instead of forcing the evidence to attempt to match your incorrect understanding. Every time that one’s understanding causes tension in scripture it means that we are forcing the interpretation. Your interpretation causes a ton of tension.

I am not the one who said God's rest is not Christs rest as if they are different and than accuse me of saying, which you will never find in my posts, that Jesus is not God. We are accountable for our words.

Also, the rest that remains is NOT God’s rest but that of Christ.

Here is the word by word Greek translation of Heb4:9 that works in harmony with God's promises Psa89:34 and the testimony of Jesus who is God Mat5:18-19 Mark 24:20 Isa66:23

The Sabbath rest is according to the commandment- Luke 23:56 and remains, not changed for God's people, because God's people keeps God's commandments His version, not mans Rev 14:12 Rev 22:14 Because He is God, and we are not. It is His Testimony that we can not edit or alter no matter how much we don't like it. Exo31:18 as His word is settled in heaven Psa 119:89 and His Testimony is under His mercy seat in heaven Heb 8:1-5 Rev15:5 Rev11:19

God defined what and when is the Sabbath in His Testimony Exo 20:10- there is no one greater than He. Most of Heb 3-4 is quoting OT. Jesus ratified His covenant at the Cross. To change it would require His death all over again.

We should worship God 365/24 7 and Jesus in His own words relates false worship by keeping our traditions over obeying the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Commandments. He said that is worshipping Him in vain Mark 7:7-13 Mat 15:3-14

I guess this debate will have to get sorted out when He comes. At that time all of our decisions will be sealed Rev 22:11

 

[Hentenza]

I am not the one who said God's rest is not Christs rest as if they are different and than accuse me of saying which you will never find in my posts that Jesus is not God.

lol But you did. So, once again, you ignored most of my post. That’s rich.

Here is the word by word Greek translation of Heb4:9 that works in harmony with God's promises Psa89:34 and the testimony of Jesus who is God Mat5:18-19 Mark 24:20 Isa66:23

The Sabbath rest is according to the commandment- God's commandment because He is God, and we are not.

God defined what and when is the Sabbath in His Testimony- there is no one greater than He.

We should worship God 365/24 7 and Jesus in His own words relates false worship by keeping our traditions over obeying the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Commandments. He said that is worshipping Him in vain Mark 7:7-13 Mat 15:3-14

I guess this debate will have to get sorted out when He comes. At that time all of our decisions will be sealed Rev 22:11

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It is a derivative which is why is only used once in scripture. And the nuance changes its meaning. Again, why use a derivative if the common word is what is meant?


σαββατισμός sabbatismós, sab-bat-is-mos'; from a derivative of G4521; a "sabbatism", i.e. (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven):—rest.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

lol But you did.

Please quote me saying Jesus is not God.

So, once again, you ignored most of my post. That’s rich.

It is a derivative which is why is only used once in scripture. And the nuance changes its meaning. Again, why use a derivative if the common word is what is meant?


σαββατισμός sabbatismós, sab-bat-is-mos'; from a derivative of G4521; a "sabbatism", i.e. (figuratively) the repose of Christianity (as a type of heaven):—rest.

It says right in your post (figuratively) Its a derivative of sabaton the Sabbath because its not the same word, but it comes from. It means Sabbath-keeping, which remains for the people of God. The Sabbath and Sabbath keeping are different words hence why there are different Greek words used.

I provided the literal word by word translation.

In God's heavenly rest, no one is rebelling against God's commandments, that's what separated man from God, Isa 59:2. If one does not want to keep the Sabbath commandment now, I do not think they will be happy when His Sabbath holy convocation Lev23:3 continues for eternity Isa 66:23 thus saith the Lord.

Its why His judgement is one of love, not everyone will be happy in heaven, many like their sins John 3:19-21 more than they love Jesus to obey Him and follow His example He set forth for us Luke4:16 John15:10 1 Peter 2:21-22 1 John2:6 and live how He told us Mat4:4

 

[Hentenza]

Please quote me saying Jesus is not God.

Your post 170. You said: “Jesus is the Sabbath commandment therefore we can profane God’s Sabbath and holy day.” Jesus is God.

It says right in your post (figuratively) Its a derivative of sabaton the Sabbath because its not the same word. It means Sabbath-keeping, which remains for the people of God. The Sabbath and Sabbath keeping are different words hence why there are different Greek words used.

I provided the literal word by word translation.

In God's heavenly rest, no one is rebelling against God's commandments, that's what separated man from God, Isa 59:2. If one does not want to keep the Sabbath commandment now, I do not think they will be happy when His Sabbath holy convocation Lev23:3 continues for eternity Isa 66:23 thus saith the Lord.

Its why His judgement is one of love, not everyone will be happy in heaven, many like their sins John 3:19-21 more than they love Jesus to obey Him and follow His example He set forth for us Luke4:16 John15:10 1 Peter 2:21-22 1 John2:6 and live how He told us Mat4:4

No. Once again, why use a derivative when the writer could have used the normal word? A word being defined as figurative only accentuates a particular message which could have a literal meaning. The word is obviously used here to impart a specific meaning that can not be imparted with the normal word. No where here does it say that the verse is subjective rather than objective.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Your post 170. You said: “Jesus is the Sabbath commandment therefore we can profane God’s Sabbath and holy day.” Jesus is God.

That was a typo. I meant Jesus is NOT the Sabbath commandment. But I am glad you realize this teaching is making Jesus not God, which I agree as it turns Him into the creation. not the Creator that He is Exo20:11

The Sabbath is something MAN DOES thus saith the Lord Isa 56:2 Exo20:8-11 Jesus never gave Himself a commandment, He kept them including the Sabbath because He always leads by example.

No. Once again, why use a derivative when the writer could have used the normal word? A word being defined as figurative only accentuates a particular message which could have a literal meaning. The word is obviously used here to impart a specific meaning that can not be imparted with the normal word. No where here does it say that the verse is subjective rather than objective.

Its already explained and provided the verbatim meaning in the Greek. No point in re-visiting

 

[Hentenza]

That was a typo. I meant Jesus is NOT the Sabbath commandment. But I am glad you realize this teaching is making Jesus not God, which I agree.

The Sabbath is something MAN DOES thus saith the Lord Isa 56:2 Exo20:8-11 Jesus never gave Himself a commandment, He kept them including the Sabbath because He always leads by example.



It’s already explained and provided the verbatim meaning in the Greek. No point in re-visiting

You advocate that the 4th commandment is a moral commandment and it is necessary for salvation. Tell me, do you think that every professing Christian that goes to church on Sunday is doomed? Are we living in sin? Be honest with yourself and give a straight answer.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You advocate that the 4th commandment is a moral commandment and it is necessary for salvation. Tell me, do you think that every professing Christian that goes to church on Sunday is doomed? Are we living in sin? Be honest with yourself and give a straight answer.

Replace the 4th commandment with any of the other 9 commandments. Are we saved by breaking them without repenting and turning from (forsaking Pro 28:13) sin (breaking God's laws) God never plucked out the 4th commandment from the other 9 commandments Deut4:13 Exo 34:28 man did that going against God's Word when He said to Remember the one man wants to toss that contains God's seal Exo20:11.

I am not in a position to claim a commandment is not just that, or God;s Testimony is moral or not. I am not in a position to judge God.

I will let God answer this question from His own words what we do when we elevate something holy that is not Exo 20:9 and profane something that is holy. Exo20:8-11

What I say doesn't matter, God's Word we are told to live by.

Eze 22:26 Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

 

[Hentenza]

Replace the 4th commandment with any of the other 9 commandments.

So you are not going to give an honest answer. You posted scripture that make it seem that the answer is yes, those that worship on Sunday live in sin and cannot be saved. You just reduced the body of Christ to only those with your belief system. But you won’t give a straight answer which should be the logical ending to what you believe. This, of course, is unorthodox teaching and the Bible warns about that.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So you are not going to give an honest answer. You posted scripture that make it seem that the answer is yes, those that worship on Sunday live in sin and cannot be saved. You just reduced the body of Christ to only those with your belief system. But you won’t give a straight answer which should be the logical ending to what you believe. This, of course, is unorthodox teaching and the Bible warns about that.

No one answers to me, we all answer to God. Nothing we can hide from Him Ecc 12:13-14. If we don't believe His own written and spoken Testimony Exo 31:18, what I say matters not.

 

[Hentenza]

No one answers to me, we all answer to God. Nothing we can hide from Him Ecc 12:13-14. If we don't believe His own written and spoken Testimony Exo 31:18, what I say matters not.

In other words you will not answer. Your belief leads to death but you ignore the obvious.