Elon Musk says he canceled his Netflix account — and urges his followers to as well

durangodawood · 2025-10-02T13:33:12-0500

iluvatar5150 said:
They did? Was this in the marketing? Because I don't recall that from the show itself, at all.

All in the marketing, actor media spots, etc etc.

The awful show itself said nothing about that. Except maybe how great it can be to have friends across the (entirely Nordic/Teutonic mythos) race lines of dwarf and elf.

ThatRobGuy · 2025-10-02T13:36:34-0500

iluvatar5150 said:
In every one of those, the characters' sexual orientations aren't merely ancillary characteristics; they're central to the story. Cinderella, Snow White, and Rapunzel are saved from their evil families by their hetero love interests. Princess Aurora is saved from Maleficent's curse by her future husband (arranged marriage in some versions). Belle's falling in love with the Beast is what breaks the curse on him. Lady and the Tramp is about a good girl falling for a "bad boy" who turns out to defy everybody's poor opinion of him. Brave is about a Celtic princess rebelling against being forced into an arranged marriage. Frozen is about a teen princess ascending to the throne and having would-be villains try to seize control by marrying into the family. Up is about an elderly man grieving the loss of his wife. Wall-E is about an ostensibly male robot falling in love and pursuing an ostensibly female robot.

In any of those movies, is the aim to tell a story?, or is the aim to convince/shape minds by circumnavigating familiar influence and convincing kids to be "cool with" something that their parents aren't exactly keen on?

The author the particular show in question said:
Steele has spoken about wanting Dead End to be "not just having queer characters, but have queer sensibility embedded in the DNA of the story".

RocksInMyHead · 2025-10-02T13:40:30-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
I haven't suggested that anything be taken off the air.

While you not have, that appears to be the general thrust of the other posters reacting negatively to it, as well as the backlash, such that it is, on Twitter.

ThatRobGuy said:
Just pointing out that it's an indoctrination attempt, and people shouldn't bristle that fact when it's pointed out and act as if "it's just the other side being petty"

This is not an accurate representation of any of the arguments made in this thread prior to this post.

Hazelelponi · 2025-10-02T13:57:37-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
I haven't suggested that anything be taken off the air.

Just pointing out that it's an indoctrination attempt, and people shouldn't bristle that fact when it's pointed out and act as if "it's just the other side being petty"

I'm reminded of the book "After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90s" by Marshall Kirk (a neuropsychologist) and Hunter Madsen (a public relations expert) . Published in 1989, it proposed a media-focused strategy to change public opinion on homosexuality.

In order to to shift public perception of gay people the strategy centered on a concept the authors called "jamming," which involved repeatedly broadcasting positive, non-threatening images of gay people into the media to crowd out and "jam" negative stereotypes.

The book's goal was to make homosexuality seem less menacing and more ordinary to the general public. Tactics included portraying gay people as victims of prejudice and highlighting their mainstream qualities rather than focusing on more radical ideas or sexual politics.

Now we are getting the trans agenda shoved down our childrens throats, if we aren't careful.

We want to influence children to be productive members of society and they want to influence them to become medical experiments they can maim for life.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-10-02T14:11:38-0500

rambot said:
I'm more worried about the sanctimonious hypocrisy of a guy in his situation who feels the need to spout off when he isn't really interested in his children.

Why? I sure don't.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-10-02T14:14:14-0500

iluvatar5150 said:
idk... There's been a bunch of reporting/speculation on what his actual child support payments look like, because Texas caps child support at a pretty low number and because both Grimes and Ashley St Clair have gone public about him being stingy. I haven't seen confirmation of those numbers, but if they're accurate, they wouldn't even cover the cost of a nanny.

Elon Musk has recently paid Ashley St. Clair, the mother of his youngest child, a one-time sum of $2.5 million and continues to provide her with annual support payments of $500,000 for their son, despite ongoing disputes over paternity and reductions in support.

I am sure that is more than enough money. Heck, that is more than what I make all week.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-10-02T14:52:48-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
In any of those movies, is the aim to tell a story?, or is the aim to convince/shape minds by circumnavigating familiar influence and convincing kids to be "cool with" something that their parents aren't exactly keen on?

I don't know. I didn't go looking for the ideologies of the writers. However, subverting the wishes of one's parents is a recurring theme in many of them. Sometimes those parents are legitimately evil (e.g. Snow White, Cinderella, Tangled, and the grandfather in Frozen 2); sometimes they're just overbearing (e.g. Moana, The Little Mermaid, Brave, Elemental, the parents in Frozen 1-2 to a lesser degree), but either way, that, by definition, is "something that their parents aren't exactly keen on."

Oompa Loompa said:
Elon Musk has recently paid Ashley St. Clair, the mother of his youngest child, a one-time sum of $2.5 million and continues to provide her with annual support payments of $500,000 for their son, despite ongoing disputes over paternity and reductions in support.

I am sure that is more than enough money. Heck, that is more than what I make all week.

ah, thank you for the update. I don't stay abreast of such things.

BCP1928 · 2025-10-02T15:01:11-0500

Hazelelponi said:
I'm reminded of the book "After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90s" by Marshall Kirk (a neuropsychologist) and Hunter Madsen (a public relations expert) . Published in 1989, it proposed a media-focused strategy to change public opinion on homosexuality.

In order to to shift public perception of gay people the strategy centered on a concept the authors called "jamming," which involved repeatedly broadcasting positive, non-threatening images of gay people into the media to crowd out and "jam" negative stereotypes.

The book's goal was to make homosexuality seem less menacing and more ordinary to the general public. Tactics included portraying gay people as victims of prejudice and highlighting their mainstream qualities rather than focusing on more radical ideas or sexual politics.

Now we are getting the trans agenda shoved down our childrens throats, if we aren't careful.

We want to influence children to be productive members of society and they want to influence them to become medical experiments they can maim for life.

It looks like Kirk & Madsen's strategy isn't working with everyone. But many people still believe that LGBTs can be productive members of society.

durangodawood · 2025-10-02T15:03:25-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
The author the particular show in question said:
Steele has spoken about wanting Dead End to be "not just having queer characters, but have queer sensibility embedded in the DNA of the story".

For all those other shows in Illuvatars list, the creators could well have said hetero-normative sensibility is built into the DNA and of the story. And they would have been correct.

Hazelelponi · 2025-10-02T16:02:51-0500

durangodawood said:
For all those other shows in Illuvatars list, the creators could well have said hetero-normative sensibility is built into the DNA and of the story. And they would have been correct.

In the old children's stories they were actually like old fashioned horror stories people told their children a 1,000 + years ago to teach children moral lessons like don't trust strangers or don't walk through the forest at night or be kind to those who you see as beneath you because when you are unkind it's from a dark heart or don't tell lies or people won't believe you when it's actually important .

The hetero normative nature of all the old childrens tales wasn't the object of the story nor the moral lesson, it was simply relative to the nature of all humans, that of love, and historically love has always been expressed between those of the opposite sex.

In the 1990:s, it was estimated anywhere between 3% and 9% of the population in the US had at least occasional homosexual or lesbian encounters (of the marital, non-marital kind).

A Gallup poll conducted in 2012 showed 5% of respondents saying the same in the anonymous exit poll, which was the higher number so overall the map was fairly unchanged in estimates on percentage of the population who would identify themselves as homosexual.

The 90's and 2000's have been very accepting decades overall, so even in a fairly open society there just isn't very many people who are not hetero normative by default.

Therefore, hetero normative interactions are what is actually normal to see historically, and thereby became baked into all the old childrens stories, especially considering all children had mothers and father's in order to be born, so it's very relatable even at a young age.

Please remember, things such as the story of Cinderella is just an adaptation of the story of Rhodopis which is 2,000 years old. These stories are nearly as old as time in some cases.

And they remain popular because they are human stories, with dreams of rising above ones station in life for those born in slavery, or morals like stay safe and don't lie and etc etc.

Children's stories don't have you going to the butcher to get castrated as a moral good and I don't believe we should start the trend of telling such horrors to the children in our society now.

What's positive is telling kids things that are good, not choose your gender for the financial benefits of atheistic butchers who want to get rich off the backs of kids.

GoldenBoy89 · 2025-10-02T16:14:11-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
The key difference was that makers of Captain Planet weren't trying to hide the ball or "sneak" anything into a kids show.

They were pretty open about what their intent was... to get kids more in-line with environmental activism.

Barbara Pyle (a well-known environmental activist) made Captain Planet with the financial backing of Ted Turner.

Barbara Pyle - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I don’t know anything about this new show but I wouldn’t say they’re being duplicitous or trying to hide what the show is about. The description pretty much gives it away this show is trying to normalize such a scenario. Where do you feel they are hiding the show’s true intentions?

durangodawood · 2025-10-02T16:40:37-0500

Hazelelponi said:
In the old children's stories they were actually like old fashioned horror stories people told their children a 1,000 + years ago to teach children moral lessons like don't trust strangers or don't walk through the forest at night or be kind to those who you see as beneath you because when you are unkind it's from a dark heart or don't tell lies or people won't believe you when it's actually important .

The hetero normative nature of all the old childrens tales wasn't the object of the story nor the moral lesson, it was simply relative to the nature of all humans, that of love, and historically love has always been expressed between those of the opposite sex.

In the 1990:s, it was estimated anywhere between 3% and 9% of the population in the US had at least occasional homosexual or lesbian encounters (of the marital, non-marital kind).

A Gallup poll conducted in 2012 showed 5% of respondents saying the same in the anonymous exit poll, which was the higher number so overall the map was fairly unchanged in estimates on percentage of the population who would identify themselves as homosexual.

The 90's and 2000's have been very accepting decades overall, so even in a fairly open society there just isn't very many people who are not hetero normative by default.

Therefore, hetero normative interactions are what is actually normal to see historically, and thereby became baked into all the old childrens stories, especially considering all children had mothers and father's in order to be born, so it's very relatable even at a young age.

Please remember, things such as the story of Cinderella is just an adaptation of the story of Rhodopis which is 2,000 years old. These stories are nearly as old as time in some cases.

And they remain popular because they are human stories, with dreams of rising above ones station in life for those born in slavery, or morals like stay safe and don't lie and etc etc.

Children's stories don't have you going to the butcher to get castrated as a moral good and I don't believe we should start the trend of telling such horrors to the children in our society now.

What's positive is telling kids things that are good, not choose your gender for the financial benefits of atheistic butchers who want to get rich off the backs of kids.

Im not at all opposed to hetero-normativity per se. I mean it is the norm, as you point out. And so Id expect most art to be from that perspective.

What I dont approve of is hetero-totality, as it were. So when someone decides to do some art that illustrates a gay experience of the world, Im not going to freak out and expect them to back down like they would have to when gay people were fully oppressed.

Interesting about Rhodopis. We get so much from ancient Egypt, yet the whole society seems almost mythically unreal to me.

essentialsaltes · 2025-10-02T16:51:14-0500

PloverWing said:
I also did not want to sign into Business Insider, but there's a Wikipedia article about the show: Dead End: Paranormal Park - Wikipedia

More info on the character from a Dead End specific Wiki.

Barney Guttman is a protagonist of the Netflix animated series Dead End: Paranormal Park. He is a gay, transgender teen boy who finds a new job as a security guard of Phoenix Parks, an amusement park with a haunted house. He is voiced by Zach Barack.

essentialsaltes · 2025-10-02T16:53:38-0500

Speaking of Netflix and trans folk, Umbrella Academy did a pretty remarkable job rolling with it without making a big deal out of it as Elliot Page transitioned.

Gene2memE · 2025-10-02T17:44:51-0500

Servus said:
What do you think about stuff being produced for children having gender bending sexuality. It's becoming more and more of a trend. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

Good thing. Great thing.

Human sexuality and gender expression are incredibly complex topics.

The more kids are exposed to the reality that expressions of such fall along a spectrum within a bimodal distribution, rather than a black and white binary, the better they will be prepared to deal with the real world.

Hazelelponi said:
I'm reminded of the book "After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90s" by Marshall Kirk (a neuropsychologist) and Hunter Madsen (a public relations expert) . Published in 1989, it proposed a media-focused strategy to change public opinion on homosexuality.

In order to to shift public perception of gay people the strategy centered on a concept the authors called "jamming," which involved repeatedly broadcasting positive, non-threatening images of gay people into the media to crowd out and "jam" negative stereotypes.

This is just culture jamming. The term is a neologism coined in the mid 1980s, but its an idea that's about as old as mass-media. It's still practiced today, in all sorts of way. Even the Trump campaign embrace[d] it.

Hvizsgyak · 2025-10-02T18:02:12-0500

Servus said:
Elon Musk urged his followers to cancel Netflix for the "health of your kids" on Wednesday.

Musk's posts come amid criticism by some online of a Netflix animated show featuring a teenage protagonist who is trans.

It's unclear whether a significant number of Netflix users have canceled.

Elon Musk had a message for his social-media followers on Wednesday morning:

"Cancel Netflix for the health of your kids."

Elon Musk says he canceled his Netflix account — and urges his followers to as well

Elon Musk's posts come amid some online criticism of the Netflix animated show, "Dead End: Paranormal Park," and its creator.

www.businessinsider.com

Did that years ago. I saw the indecent garbage coming out of that company and wanted nothing to do with it.

Hvizsgyak · 2025-10-02T18:07:20-0500

essentialsaltes said:
Speaking of Netflix and trans folk, Umbrella Academy did a pretty remarkable job rolling with it without making a big deal out of it as Elliot Page transitioned.

During that season of the Umbrella Academy when she began to transition (Season 3 or 4) was when we said adios to Netflix. There were other shows that were even crumbier on Netflix that added to the cancellation too (we didn't watch them but saw them advertised on Netflix).

durangodawood · 2025-10-02T18:09:37-0500

Hvizsgyak said:
Did that years ago. I saw the indecent garbage coming out of that company and wanted nothing to do with it.

Thats the history of art right there.

Servus · 2025-10-02T19:08:14-0500

durangodawood said:
Now it just sounds like bigotry. Youre ok with "sexual content" for hetero people but no one else.

This about cartoons for little children.

durangodawood said:
Except its not even sexual content for either. No one is doing sex things, gay or straight. The content is nothing more than a boy acknowledging that he might be sweet on a girl type of thing. People who cant stomach that are frankly anti-life.

You don't know what's going on.

essentialsaltes · 2025-10-02T19:13:20-0500

Servus said:
You don't know what's going on.

Why don't you show us, if you know so much about this show.

Elon Musk says he canceled his Netflix account — and urges his followers to as well

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