Elon Musk says he canceled his Netflix account — and urges his followers to as well

[Servus]

Good grief. Netflix has always had content that required parental guidance, or that was inappropriate for children altogether. I would never sit a 10-year-old in front of Netflix and say "Watch whatever you want; I'll be back in a couple of hours." If you don't like the show, don't watch it.

Yeah but these are cartoon shows for children.

 

[durangodawood]

Do you think sexual content belongs in children's cartoon shows?

The kids are having sex?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

 

[Servus]

Okay, but watch the first episode or two by yourself before you introduce it to your kids. If you decide they're going to be okay with the content, watch the show with them, and have conversations about the episodes afterwards. Even if it turns out that there's nothing that requires "parental guidance", it gives you something to talk about together. "Hmm, I think the characters should have done thus-and-so instead of what they did; what do you think?"

What do you think about stuff being produced for children having gender bending sexuality. It's becoming more and more of a trend. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

 

[Servus]

The kids are having sex?

Not yet. But the cartoons are full of sexuality. What's being called sexualizing children. Should society be onboard with it? If so, how far should it be taken?

 

[durangodawood]

Not yet. But the cartoons are full of sexuality. What's being called sexualizing children. Should society be onboard with it? If so, how far should it be taken?

Is the kid in this cartoon doing sexual things? What exactly are the characters doing here thats a problem?

 

[PloverWing]

What do you think about stuff being produced for children having gender bending sexuality. It's becoming more and more of a trend. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

In general, I think it's a good thing for TV and movies to reflect the diversity of ethnicities, religions, physical disabilities, family structures, and gender identities and expressions that are in the general population. For this particular question, since trans and non-binary kids exist in the world, I think it's nice that they can see characters like themselves portrayed on screen in positive ways -- solving puzzles, making friends, having adventures, and so on.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Do you think sexual content belongs in children's cartoon shows?

Define "sexual content." Because trans issues are not "sexual content."

The thing you guys keep failing to grasp about transgenderism is that it primarily isn't about who you mate with, the way that being hetero/homosexual is. It's about your own perception of yourself and how it jives with your physical body. An analogy I use is being in a career that really doesn't suit you - obviously gender dysmorphia is quite a bit more significant an issue, but they trigger many of the same feelings of discomfort and being out of place.

To your original question, kids programming has been loaded with far more explicitly sexual content than this for, basically ever. What is a story of a princess being swept away by prince charming to live happily ever after if not "sexual content"? Go watch the original animated Sleeping Beauty and notice how Prince Phillip's dad (?King Hubert?) is eager for the two kids to get down to making grandbabies - a sentiment he expresses on the eve of Aurora's 16th birthday. If you want to scrape all of that stuff, from kid's content, fine. But if you're just looking to scrape mentions of trans or homosexual relationships, then at least be honest about it - your problem isn't "sexual content."

 

[iluvatar5150]

Is the kid in this cartoon doing sexual things? What exactly are the characters doing here thats a problem?

Talking about themselves in a way that some folks find culturally subversive.

 

[Servus]

In general, I think it's a good thing for TV and movies to reflect the diversity of ethnicities, religions, physical disabilities, family structures, and gender identities and expressions that are in the general population. For this particular question, since trans and non-binary kids exist in the world, I think it's nice that they can see characters like themselves portrayed on screen in positive ways -- solving puzzles, making friends, having adventures, and so on.

Sure, but what do you think about stuff being produced for children having gender bending sexuality. It's becoming more and more of a trend. Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

 

[durangodawood]

I mean when I was in like 2nd grade I had a crush on a girl.

Is it "sexual content" when shows even acknowledge that kind of thing?

 

[Servus]

Define "sexual content." Because trans issues are not "sexual content."

The thing you guys keep failing to grasp about transgenderism is that it primarily isn't about who you mate with, the way that being hetero/homosexual is. It's about your own perception of yourself and how it jives with your physical body. An analogy I use is being in a career that really doesn't suit you - obviously gender dysmorphia is quite a bit more significant an issue, but they trigger many of the same feelings of discomfort and being out of place.

To your original question, kids programming has been loaded with far more explicitly sexual content than this for, basically ever. What is a story of a princess being swept away by prince charming to live happily ever after if not "sexual content"? Go watch the original animated Sleeping Beauty and notice how Prince Phillip's dad (?King Hubert?) is eager for the two kids to get down to making grandbabies - a sentiment he expresses on the eve of Aurora's 16th birthday. If you want to scrape all of that stuff, from kid's content, fine. But if you're just looking to scrape mentions of trans or homosexual relationships, then at least be honest about it - your problem isn't "sexual content."

It's about sexuality, mainly alternate sexuality, and sexual preferences in children's programming. I'd love to hear a straightforward direct explanation of why certain adults are so in favor of it.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

I'd love to hear a straightforward direct explanation of why certain adults are so in favor of it.

Who is "so in favor of it"? There's a pretty big difference between being "so in favor of" something and simply not objecting to it.

 

[durangodawood]

It's about sexuality, mainly alternate sexuality, and sexual preferences in children's programming. I'd love to hear a straightforward direct explanation of why certain adults are so in favor of it.

Now it just sounds like bigotry. Youre ok with "sexual content" for hetero people but no one else.

Except its not even sexual content for either. No one is doing sex things, gay or straight. The content is nothing more than a boy acknowledging that he might be sweet on a girl type of thing. People who cant stomach that are frankly anti-life.

 

[BCP1928]

Not yet. But the cartoons are full of sexuality. What's being called sexualizing children. Should society be onboard with it? If so, how far should it be taken?

Life is full of sexuality. If you want to sexualize children your way you'll pretty much have to keep them at home.

 

[That Guy 11200]

I guess he had to come up with something after he was revealed to be in the Epstein files.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I mean when I was in like 2nd grade I had a crush on a girl.

Is it "sexual content" when shows even acknowledge that kind of thing?

Per my previous post, it sounds like it's no so much that it's depicting any acts of that nature, but rather some of the underlying themes.

In the case of this show, one of the central themes is that the trans boy left home and cut off family ties due to them not being adequately supportive (hence the reason they're living in some sort of haunted amusement park to begin with)... At which point, their sidekick is a BIPOC autistic lesbian named Norma who has a crush on a Muslim girl. Throughout the show, Barney (trans boy) is also gay in addition, and has another boy who is the target of his crush.
(and no, that's not meant to be an over-the-top facetious exaggeration, that's actually the backdrop from what I'm reading)


Are those necessarily the themes that need to be present to that degree in shows intended for a Y7 audience?


I typically tend to look at it through the lens of a spectrum of
"show where a character happens to be LGBT" <-> "show where LGBT-related material seems to be a central theme and drives main storylines"


Based on the reviews I'm reading of the show (both the positive and negative ones), this show sounds like it could be a little more towards the latter.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Based on the reviews I'm reading of the show (both the positive and negative ones), this show sounds like it could be a little more towards the latter.

And this is a problem because...?

If you don't like it, don't watch it. If you don't want your kids watching it, don't let them watch it. There were plenty of TV shows that I wasn't allowed to watch as a kid because my parents didn't approve of the content, but they weren't out there advocating that they be taken off the air. Not sure why this should be any different today.

 

[durangodawood]

....
I typically tend to look at it through the lens of a spectrum of
"show where a character happens to be LGBT" <-> "show where LGBT-related material seems to be a central theme and drives main storylines"

I typically look at it through the lens of "would this sort of thing raise a fuss if it was hetero white people behaving this exact way?"

 

[iluvatar5150]

It's about sexuality, mainly alternate sexuality, and sexual preferences in children's programming. I'd love to hear a straightforward direct explanation of why certain adults are so in favor of it.

No, transgenderism is not about "sexuality" or sexual preferences. It's about a mismatch that's entirely within themselves. "Sexual preference" is a separate issue.

I've known several people who've transitioned in the time I've known them (i.e. I knew them before), I can only think of one who might've changed her "sexual preference" along with her gender identity. And even then, I'm not sure about it, because I didn't know her very well prior to the transition. Several folks have not only maintained their "preference", but stayed with their prior partners.

But again, even if it were about "sexuality", it's no more about sexuality than any other kids show about two characters falling in love or being in a relationship with each other. Do you object to Cinderella? Snow White? Sleeping Beauty? Beauty and the Beast? The Little Mermaid? Lady and the Tramp? Brave? The Princess and the Frog? Frozen? Tangled/Rapunzel? Up? Those all prominently featured "sexuality." Heck, even Wall-E managed to shoehorn some hetero sexuality into a story about a robot.

So is it "sexuality" you object to or just the gay stuff?