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The significance of Paul
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Judgement is God’s, we do not judge ourselves. We all have to stand before Him based on His standard not ours. 2Cor5:10 Rev11:18-19 Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 22:14-15
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We're free from the curse of the law because we can now fulfill the law apart from the law. Even though the law is holy, good, and right (Rom 7), and therefore to be obeyed (Rom 2:13), we can now fulfil it the right and true way, with a righteousness that the law only testifies to but cannot accomplish in us. It is actually impossible to fulfill the law apart from the "righteousness of God": “not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith.” (Phil 3:9). That righteousness comes to us as we enter His family, established as His people via faith.
"For if, by the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive God’s abundant provision of grace and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ!" Rom 5:17
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Yes, that is the righteousness from God through the gift (Php 1:29, 2 Pe 1:1, Ac 13:48, 18:27, Ro 12:3) of faith (Ro 1:17, 3:21, 43, 5, 1, 9:30) which is the imputed righteousness of Christ (Ro 5:15-19).
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This is Jesus great Sacrifice for our sins, not Judgement.
Judgement is the last day
John 12:48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him— the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
And belief in Jesus is more than just believing Jesus it is embodying His teachings and doing them 1 John2:6 1 Peter 2:21-22 Luke 6:46 Mat7:21-23
Jesus in His own Words said on that great Day of Judgement- Many believer will say Lord Lord, only for Jesus to say, He does not know them.. Not that He doesn't know who they are, but there are many , had you quoted the rest of John 3, who loves their sins, more than they love Jesus to come to Him give up their sins and forsake them through Jesus Christ John 3:18-21 Pro 28:13 John 14:15-18 Sin of course is God's definition, not ours 1John3:4 James2:11 Mat5:19-30 etc
I pray that when I come before Jesus on that great Day that I will hear these words ‘Well done, good and faithful servant! Mat 25:23 and enter through the gates of heaven Rev 22:14 instead of those who will be outside (condemnation of the Law Rom6:23) Rev22:15 Mat7:21-23. It’s my prayer for all people.
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Jesus' death was God's judgment (mandate, sentence of punishment) for/on my sin, necessary to restore me to God's favor.
There will be no mandate, sentence of punishment for me on that day.
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I see your words here, I am going have to stick with Jesus words about His judgment and when it will be John 12:48, which was not the Cross, that was His sacrifice for sins- , sadly not everyone accepts His free gift of salvation, as they like their sins more than they love Jesus to come to the truth of His word John 3:16-21 to abide in Him and live how He asks us to live John 15. His first coming was not to condemn, He came as a Lamb- His Second Coming He comes as King Rev 19:16 to judge the world some to eternal life, others the second and eternal death. Rev 20 If we don't believe Jesus words and teachings it begs to reason, do we really have faith in Him. How do we have faith in and of Jesus but not believe His teachings. Ironically, its what Jesus says He judges us by.
John 12:48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him— the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.
Judgment has not happened yet. Again, we do not judge ourselves, if we are saved or one who will say Lord Lord and think they were, only to be told by Jesus I do not know you, depart from Me. Mat 7:23 Jesus talks about this over and over again through His teachings in parables Luke 18:9-14 Mat25:1-13 etc and in plain teachings. Mat7:21-23 Luke6:46 etc
So its best to let God do Godly things like righteousness Judgment that is on the last day, and instead live by His every wordMat4:4 as faithful servants.
Rom 14:12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God.
2 Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.
Heb 4:13 And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account.
Rev 14: 7 saying with a loud voice, “Fear God and give glory to Him, for the hour of His judgment has come; and worship Him who made heaven and earth, the sea and springs of water.”
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:
Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is man’s all.
14 For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether good or evil.
At the Last Trumpet before the Second Coming of Jesus Christ that has not happened yet.
Rev 11:18 The nations were angry, and Your [h]wrath has come,
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,
And those who fear Your name, small and great,
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.”
19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of [i]His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.
The Bible very clearly tells us that we all our accountable to Jesus and He will judge us according to our works, He tells us what He will judge us by Ecc12:13-14 Mat5:19-30 James2:11-12 Rev 11:19 Rev15:5 Exo31:18 Deut 4:13 Rev2214-15 and when He will judge us John12:48 Rev20 but like anything, we can share Scriptures, its up to one to believe them or not.
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Not your standards but His standards and the law is not one of them.
“Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”
Romans 8:1-4 NASB2020
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Not according to Jesus.
Mat 7:23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
1 John 2:4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Not my standards, not yours, but God's. God's will is we have His laws in our hearts Psa 40:8 Heb8:10 God did not leave it up to man to write His holy and eternal Laws- He personally wrote them He spoke them they are His Testimony Exo 31:18 under His mercy seat, where Justice and Mercy will come together soon. Exo 20:6 Rev15:5 Rev11:18-19 James2:11-12 Deut 4:13
Those in Christ
Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.
The condemnation- those without law or lawlessness
15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers (Breaking commandment #1 Exodus 20:3) and sexually immoral (breaking commandment #7 Exodus 20:14) and murderers (breaking commandment #6 Exodus 20:13) and idolaters (breaking commandment #2 Exodus 20:4-6), and whoever loves and practices a lie (breaking # 9 Exodus 20:16 or any of the commandments 1 John 2:4) Breaking one we break them all James 2:11-12 Exo 20:1-17 .
Yes, there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ so that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.“Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”
Romans 8:1-4 NASB2020
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And what does it look like for those who walk according to the flesh? This very passage tells us had you kept going a little further on...
Rom 8: 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
What does it look like to walk according to the Spirit?
John 14:15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another [e]Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
Acts 5:32 And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”
When we reject God's laws, we reject God, Its the theme over and over again in Scripture. Whoever we obey is who we serve Rom6:16 God's Laws reflects God's holy character which as Christians means to be Christ-like , which we are to conform to God's character. Why God's sealed has God's laws - His version, not mans. Isaiah 8:16
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Jesus gave us two commandments which encompass all of the law. Your interpretation is totally off. Of course, you don’t like Paul because it totally derails your erroneous theology. Shall we talk about no longer needing a guardian?
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I never once said I don't like Paul, so please do not speak for me, not did you address the post, just went on to other arguments.
Just like you do not speak for Paul because Paul quoted the Ten Commandments that sums up the Second Greatest commandment Rom 13:9 just as Jesus quoted OT for the greatest commandment to love God with all our heart, mind and soul which was stated right after repeating the Ten Commandments Deut 6:5 Deut 5. How anyone thinks they can love God with all their heart, mind and soul but break any of the first 4 commandments of God's own Testimony Exo 20:1-11 that is in His ark of the covenant, in the Most Holy of His Temple, is beyond me, but that is for God to sort out. just as God will sort out erroneous theology. I am suggesting we get back to what the God of the Bible said Jesus tells us to live by Mat4:4
For the record- Jesus quoted a lot more than only two commandments. The summary of God's Laws does not do away with the details. Its like saying the summary of the constitution which is justice does away with each amendment. Its nonsensical.
For this IS the love of God that we keep His commandments 1 John 5:3. Jesus is God made flesh and never came to destroy His own laws, but came to magnify them Isa 42:21 why they are still in His heavenly Temple Rev15:5 Rev 11:19 His version. The whole bible testifies of Jesus who is God made flesh, but when it comes to His own Testimony He wrote He spoke Exo 31:18 Deut4:13, people reject and as Paul says we reject God's laws, we reject God as Jesus tells us plainly at His second coming Mat7:21-23 Rev22:14-15.
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I don’t have to. You make it quite obvious.
So you do want to talk about not needing a guardian any more.
“But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the Law, being confined for the faith that was destined to be revealed. Therefore the Law has become our guardian to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. For you are all sons and daughters of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.”
Galatians 3:23-29 NASB2020
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“You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by the Law; you have fallen from grace. For we, through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.”
Galatians 5:4-6 NASB2020
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Those that are seeking to be justified by the law have fallen from grace. You preach the law. You want to put that monkey back in the back of the Christian. No way.
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I quote Paul often, so please don't project your own feelings or thoughts onto me.
I love Paul's writing in context, But when we twist them out of context to teach against Jesus Christ, I think we need to heed the warning 2Peter3:16
When did I ever say I wanted to talk about not needing a guardian. So "anymore" is not even relevant. Your accusations are getting a bit much, I will address this, but the spirit of the accuser is not something I will engage in unless you change your tone and accusations.
“But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the Law, being confined for the faith that was destined to be revealed. Therefore the Law has become our guardian to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. For you are all sons and daughters of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise.”
Galatians 3:23-29 NASB2020
Galatians 3:23-29 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the Law, being confined for the faith that was destined to be revealed. Therefore the Law has become our guardian to lead us to Christ, so that we | New American Standard Bible -
But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the Law, being confined for the faith that was destined to be revealed. Therefore the Law has become our guardian to lead us to Christ, so that webible.com
There is more than one law in Scripture and context tells us which law its speaking of but that would require an understanding that the law that is holy, blessed and good Rom 7:12 never turns into the law that is contrary and against.
But lets just say this is speaking of all the laws including the Ten Commandments. First this requires one to actually keep the law to bring us to Christ. When most flat out reject any part of God's laws, they are not even fulfilling the first step this requirement. Psa 19:7 So the law acts as a guardian until faith and we are in Christ.
Does Scripture say faith voids the law from this same author?
Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Once we have faith in Christ that the law brings us to does Jesus tell us we do not have to keep His laws? of course not. John 14:15 Mat 19:17-19 He warns against doing so Mat 5:19-30 Mat 156:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 7:21-23
Yes, the law being referred to is circumcision by the context of your own passage. The reason Paul was saying this if reading in context is the Jews were compelling Gentiles to get circumcision in order to hear the gospel and in order to be saved Gal 2:3 Acts 15:1. That was never the role of circumcision which is why Paul was correcting them. There is no law that can save us, we have all broke God's laws and sinned and there is no salvation apart from Jesus Christ, which the Jews were teaching and Paul correcting. There are different laws that serve different purposes, but God's saints keep the commandments of God and faith of Jesus Rev 14:12 not to be saved, but because the saved live differently than the lost Rom 8:7-8 Mat7:23“You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by the Law; you have fallen from grace. For we, through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love.”
Galatians 5:4-6 NASB2020
Galatians 5:4-6 You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by the Law; you have fallen from grace. For we, through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness. For in C | New American Standard Bible - N
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Jesus taught the law, so what are you saying about Jesus Christ? As did Paul 1 Cor7:19 Rom 7:7 Rom 2:13 Rom 2:21-23 Rom 8:7-8 so obviously you do not seem to reconcile Paul's writings with Paul or more importantly to Jesus. Paul is not teaching lawlessness and to be an enmity to God but you are free to believe as you wish. I would consider this verse carefully though as it comes with a salvation warning 2Peter 3:16
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So you are using Peter to criticize Paul’s writings. Paul was educated, a scholar for his time. He had a complete grasp on the law because he persecuted the church as one of the Pharisee. So he knows exactly what the law is and the effect that Jesus sacrifice had on the law.
I’m not accusing you. I am dismantling your erroneous theology that could confuse new Christians. The Christian is NOT under the law at all. No one will ever be justified by following the law not even Abraham.
Not really. I know you argue that the law that was put into the arch is different than the law that was kept outside of it and I’m going to surprise you I agree with that. However, I disagree that the 4th commandment remains as it was for the Jews. I disagree with you that the 4th commandment is a moral v
Commandment. We can discuss that if you like.
Right so the law does not justify and is not required of those that are in Christ.
Paul does not speak out of both sides of his mouth. Keep reading. Taking verses out of context will always lead to error.
Do you think that Paul said what you think he said when he says the following just a bit later?
“Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”
Romans 8:1-4 NASB2020
Romans 8:1-4 Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law c | New American Standard Bible - NASB
Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law c
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Of course not. Your interpretation is obviously wrong.
Again, Jesus gave us two laws that encompass all of the law.
“This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments remains in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He remains in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.”
1 John 3:23-24 NASB2020
1 John 3:23-24 This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments remains in Him, and He in him. We know b | New American Standard Bible - NA
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments remains in Him, and He in him. We know b
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Is not just about circumcision and you know it. You can’t disregard the obvious. You missed the beginning were he says that no one can be justified by the law. In fact he says that you have fallen from grace if you try. Don’t ignore scripture that don’t agree with you. All scripture must be considered when developing your theology.
Jesus taught the law to the Jews because Jesus was the only one to ever kept the law perfectly. Jesus came to redeem the Jews first but then the Jews refused Him so He redeemed the gentiles instead. The gentiles we’re grafted into the tree and the Jews were cut off which is why the law, which was given to the Jews not the gentiles, do not apply to the gentiles.
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Please quote one post where I criticized Paul's writings.
Thats not an accusation? Not only is this an accusation it is against the forum rules.
Under the law does not mean not keeping God's law. This teaching is leading people outside the gates of heaven 1 John 2:4 Mat 15:3-14 Mat 7:23 Rev 22:15. Paul explains what under the law means Rom 3:19 it means being guilty before God i.e. the condemnation of the law Rom 6:23. God decides the wheat from the tares, not us. Someone who is His does not reject God's laws Rom8:7-8 Rev14:12
We are justified by faith. Faith does not void the law Rom 3:31 and Abraham through faith kept the commandments of God Gen 26:5 just as God's people do (His version) Rev 14:12 which this faith reconciles us back to God Rev 22:14.
I am going to have to stick with the God of the Bible who He said the Sabbath was made for, but you are free to disagree with a thus saith the Lord the Creator of all things Exo 20:11 I am not in a position to judge God and His laws, to decide which commandments we keep as if He wrote the Ten suggestions or Ten recommendations, when they are the Ten Commandments Deut4:13 Exo34:28 that He wrote and He spoke that is His Testimony Exo31:18 under His mercy seat Exo 25:21, in the Most Holy of His Temple Exo 26:34 on earth and in heaven Rev 15:5 Rev11:19 where Judgement and Mercy will come together soon Exo20:6 James2:11-12 Rev11:18-19 I certainly would not want to remove a jot or tittle on what He covers, but if you feel God made a mistake and meant to say forget on the only commandment He said to Remember, that He blessed, sanctified and made holy and where He placed His seal- that really should be taken up with Him.
Regarding who the Sabbath was made for, God said the Sabbath started at Creation according to the written and spoken Testimony of God Exo 20:11 made for man Mark 2:27 the Sabbath is part of God's perfect plan before sin, can you please tell me where Adam was a Jew? According to Scripture he was just man.
And again..
Isa 56:1 Thus says the Lord:
“Keep justice, and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come,
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 Blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who lays hold on it;
Who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant
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Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 and the word Jesus used means mankind in Greek and Adam in Hebrew.
Why we see this in the NT
Acts 13:4242 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.
Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.
And in the New Heaven and New Earth for all flesh (His saints Rev 14:12) Isa 66:23 thus saith the Lord
We are justified by faith- when does faith mean disobedience to God. According to Scripture that is sin, rebellion and unbelief Heb 3:7-19
Not according to Paul Rom 8:7-8 1 Cor7:19 or 1John2:3-4 or Jesus John 15:10
Agreed
Exactly what I have been pointing out to you with actual Scriptures
I already answered this which you never addressed by reading just a bit further,Do you think that Paul said what you think he said when he says the following just a bit later?
“Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”
Romans 8:1-4 NASB2020
Romans 8:1-4 Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law c | New American Standard Bible - NASB
Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law cbible.com
Already addressed with Scriptures which you never addressed eitherOf course not. Your interpretation is obviously wrong.
Again, Jesus gave us two laws that encompass all of the law.
“This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments remains in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He remains in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.”
1 John 3:23-24 NASB2020
1 John 3:23-24 This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments remains in Him, and He in him. We know b | New American Standard Bible - NA
This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. The one who keeps His commandments remains in Him, and He in him. We know bbible.com
Its what Paul said. If you don't believe Paul means what he said that has nothing to do with me.
I am pretty sure WHOEVER means just that Mat 5:19 but if you wish to believe His teachings and warnings were meant for "other people" and we can lay aside the commandments of God Jesus quoted directly from the Ten Commandments as He warned stating those who teach this and follow this teaching leads one to a ditch Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13
This is not a fruitful discussion, re-posting things that were already addressed is not going to further help anyone on this forum.
Peace to you and I am okay with agreeing to disagree. All will get sorted out in God's time.
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Of course but believe is not superficial as many interpret it to be, it relates to our actions Luke 6:46-47 James 1:22 and God knows who is His or not. Why many "believers" will say Lord Lord at His Second Coming only to be sent away Mat7:21-23. Its for God to sort out, as we do not judge ourselves. But if one wants to declare themselves righteous by their standards instead of allowing God to be God that's a choice. It does remind me of this parable Jesus taught Luke 18:9–14
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Belief in Jesus to do what He asks is irrelevant? It’s not for me.
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