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Hi all,

I wonder if you can help.

Reading the NT and Jesus, overall, has very little to say in comparison to Paul. I understand Paul was a Jew who, persecuted Christians before becoming a follower of Christ, but did not know Jesus during his lifetime. Paul met Jesus, after he was resurrected, on the road to/from Emmaus.

Feel free to correct any of this that is incorrect.

What I can't understand is how Paul had such authority to a) seemingly become the leader of the disciples and taking ownership of their teachings to Jews/Gentiles b) authority/leadership of the church c) become the main reference within the NT

My understanding is that he was relatively wealthy and could afford to write more than most because he was able to afford paper etc and was well educated in comparison to most of the population.

Where is the biblical reference giving Paul such authority or was it just accepted that it was his by his peers?

Any clarification on these points would be appreciated, thanks
 

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Hi all,

I wonder if you can help.

Reading the NT and Jesus, overall, has very little to say in comparison to Paul. I understand Paul was a Jew who, persecuted Christians before becoming a follower of Christ, but did not know Jesus during his lifetime. Paul met Jesus, after he was resurrected, on the road to/from Emmaus.

Feel free to correct any of this that is incorrect.

What I can't understand is how Paul had such authority to a) seemingly become the leader of the disciples and taking ownership of their teachings to Jews/Gentiles b) authority/leadership of the church c) become the main reference within the NT

My understanding is that he was relatively wealthy and could afford to write more than most because he was able to afford paper etc and was well educated in comparison to most of the population.

Where is the biblical reference giving Paul such authority or was it just accepted that it was his by his peers?

Any clarification on these points would be appreciated, thanks
Paul opens his letter to the Galatians by telling his readers where his authority as an apostle came from:

“Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead),” (Ga 1:1 NKJV)

He was appointed by God to speak to the Gentiles:

“46 Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles. 47 “For so the Lord has commanded us: ‘I have set you as a light to the Gentiles, That you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.’”” (Ac 13:46-47 NKJV)

“8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God, 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began, 10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, 11 to which I was appointed a preacher, an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.” (2Ti 1:8-11 NKJV)
 
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Paul opens his letter to the Galatians by telling his readers where his authority as an apostle came from:

“Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead),” (Ga 1:1 NKJV)

He was appointed by God to speak to the Gentiles:

“46 Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles. 47 “For so the Lord has commanded us: ‘I have set you as a light to the Gentiles, That you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.’”” (Ac 13:46-47 NKJV)

“8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God, 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began, 10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, 11 to which I was appointed a preacher, an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.” (2Ti 1:8-11 NKJV)
Thank you very much. That goes a long way towards answering the authority query - very appreciated.

Do you happen to know why the NT is so heavily invested with Pauls writings? Is it because of what was mentioned previously ie access to writing and education? Thank you very much!
 
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Thank you very much. That goes a long way towards answering the authority query - very appreciated.

Do you happen to know why the NT is so heavily invested with Pauls writings? Is it because of what was mentioned previously ie access to writing and education? Thank you very much!
I would say that like the rest of the bible, the ultimate Author is God Himself. So whether Paul or Matthew or John or Peter was the human penman, it is all from God, and has His authority. Anyway, all of Paul's writings are letters to churches and Christian individuals. Compared to the gospels or Revelation, they are comparatively short.
 
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Hi all,

I wonder if you can help.

Reading the NT and Jesus, overall, has very little to say in comparison to Paul. I understand Paul was a Jew who, persecuted Christians before becoming a follower of Christ, but did not know Jesus during his lifetime. Paul met Jesus, after he was resurrected, on the road to/from Emmaus.

Feel free to correct any of this that is incorrect.

What I can't understand is how Paul had such authority to a) seemingly become the leader of the disciples and taking ownership of their teachings to Jews/Gentiles b) authority/leadership of the church c) become the main reference within the NT

My understanding is that he was relatively wealthy and could afford to write more than most because he was able to afford paper etc and was well educated in comparison to most of the population.

Where is the biblical reference giving Paul such authority or was it just accepted that it was his by his peers?

Any clarification on these points would be appreciated, thanks
Paul wrote letters to the churches in Rome, Corinth, Galatia, Ephesus, Philippi, Colossae, and Thessalonica and more.
His letters stand out from the other apostles' because they are primarily writings to churches he founded thus, having authority to address their unique problems and circumstances. As a traveling missionary it was necessary to communicate through letters in order to correct, direct and advise on a multitude of issues plaguing the integration of believing Jews and Gentiles. In contrast, the other apostles, who were often based in Jerusalem, wrote more general letters that provided practical advice on Christian living, enduring persecution, and general warnings against heresy, rather than responding to the specific needs of a single congregation.
As far as Jesus Christ of Nazareth having " very little to say compared to Paul," we should search the Old Testament with its rich prophetic ,typological and fulfilled words that prepared the way for His comming. Without this knowledge the foundation of Christianity would not exist.
Blessings
 
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I wonder if you can help.

Reading the NT and Jesus, overall, has very little to say in comparison to Paul. I understand Paul was a Jew who, persecuted Christians before becoming a follower of Christ, but did not know Jesus during his lifetime. Paul met Jesus, after he was resurrected, on the road to/from Emmaus.

Feel free to correct any of this that is incorrect.

What I can't understand is how Paul had such authority to a) seemingly become the leader of the disciples and taking ownership of their teachings to Jews/Gentiles b) authority/leadership of the church c) become the main reference within the NT

My understanding is that he was relatively wealthy and could afford to write more than most because he was able to afford paper etc and was well educated in comparison to most of the population.

Where is the biblical reference giving Paul such authority or was it just accepted that it was his by his peers?

Any clarification on these points would be appreciated, thanks
There were three main reasons for Paul’s uniqueness. 1) He was a Pharisee and therefore well-schooled in the Law, 2) He was extremely zealous and conscientious regarding his faith, such as it was before his conversion and, 3) He was uniquely blest/graced by his Damascus Road experience.

God, IOW, used Paul’s particular personality, experience, and position for His purposes. Paul’s conversion was dramatic, by contrast, providing him with a clearer understanding and specific insight into the gospel, especially in the realm of the law vs grace. And he now proclaimed and defended the gospel with the same zeal and intensity with which he formerly persecuted Christians.

Having said that, one must read Paul with a degree of attention and care. Because of his very important and necessary battle against and emphasis on legalism, some have been led to believe that grace is meant to free one altogether from the obligation to be righteous and live accordingly. His words must be read in light of the rest of Scripture, including much of his own writings and, particulary, Jesus' teachings on righteousness/morality as perhaps best expressed in the Beatitudes and the Sermon on the Mount in general, Matt 5.
 
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What surprises me most about Paul was his willingness to open up the Gospel to Gentiles.

He had been a Jew's Jew, a Pharisee, but he saw much more clearly than the other disciples the need to jettison the Mosaic law and rituals, despite his Pharasaic training.

When he retreated to Arabia for about three years shortly after his conversion I think God used his desert experience to speak with him. The desert fathers spent their time in the desert for a reason.
 
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Hi all,

I wonder if you can help.

[1]Reading the NT and Jesus, overall, has very little to say in comparison to Paul. I understand Paul was a Jew who, persecuted Christians before becoming a follower of Christ, but did not know Jesus during his lifetime. Paul met Jesus, after he was resurrected, on the road to/from Emmaus.

Feel free to correct any of this that is incorrect.

[2a]What I can't understand is how Paul had such authority to a) seemingly become the leader of the disciples and taking ownership of their teachings to Jews/Gentiles b) authority/leadership of the church c) become the main reference within the NT

[3]My understanding is that he was relatively wealthy and could afford to write more than most because he was able to afford paper etc and was well educated in comparison to most of the population.

[2b]Where is the biblical reference giving Paul such authority or was it just accepted that it was his by his peers?

Any clarification on these points would be appreciated, thanks
Good morning @CerebralCherub,

I added the numbering so I could track the points of comment and inquiry.

[1] Nearly everything contained in the gospels can be found in what we call the Old Testament, or what the Jews call Tanakh. Very little there is new. If we were Jews living in the first century Israel, we'd have all already been familiar with Jesus' source material, but we would have considered what he was teaching to be new because what Jesus taught can be considered a restored understanding of Tanakh, the original meaning and intent of God's prior revelation. By the time the first century AD rolled around Judaism had departed from God in many ways, both theologically and practically. Judaism got the priesthood wrong, the monarchy wrong, the temple wrong, and it was rife with the poles of legalism and hypocrisy. All of that needed correction. Judaism needed an overhaul, not a "restoration." This was all foreknown by God and the fact the Jewish leaders (nor the commoner) understood that was simply roof of the fact. The time had come for the overhaul. The overhaul had been predicted (prophesied) but Judaism was so twisted and perverted that it had become blind - even when the prophesied Messiah stood right in front of them commanding the elements of creation, healing sickness, raising people from the grave, casting out demons speaking into the heart of a person, etc. Paul simply built on that. There'd be no Paul without it. Keep in mind we have a very small portion of what Jesus taught. He preached nearly daily for three years and, according to John, what he said would fill many books, not a dozen epistles.

[2a] Paul is very much like Moses. Moses was cast adrift by his mother in her hope for his survival. God saw fit to have the infant rescued by an Egyptian princess and nursed by a Jewish nursemaid..... who just happened to be the boy's mom. As a consequence, Moses learned both Egyptian and Jewish culture. He learned about monotheism and polytheism. He learned the arts of politics and warfare, which were realms of knowledge he would not have learned solely as a slave. By the time Moses is summoned into service Moses has also experienced longsuffering and poverty, the freedom of royalty, the destitution of his own guilt, the thirst of wandering in a wilderness, and the freedom of a shepherd. He is uniquely prepared for the task assigned him.

Paul is very similar. Born Saul, he was raised in the Greek city of Tarsus by a father who had Roman citizenship and a mother who was Jewish. Saul, therefore, enjoyed the privilege of citizenship and became familiar with both monotheism and polytheism, the Greco-Roman Gentile culture and the Jewish culture, which in his lifetime had largely succumbed to the intertestamental influences of Hellenism. He gets sent off to Jerusalem to have the finest education of his day under the greatest Jewish teacher of his day, Gamaliel. Saul does not simply learn Judaism because he is taught the sectarian viewpoints of the Pharisees, not the longer, more historical and orthodox views of the Sadducees. The Pharisees, along with the Essenes (and the Zealots), developed during the intertestamental period, too. This is important because the Pharisees believed in life after death, a resurrection, whereas the Sads did not (which is why they are so sad u cee ;)). Like Moses was centuries earlier, this makes Saul uniquely prepared to serve God's purpose preaching the gospel to the diverse pagan cultures all the way to Caesar's courts (an event that would have been nearly impossible for a non-citizen of the Roman Empire). Fundamentally, the only power and authority Paul has is that which is given to him by his Creator and that was forcefully demonstrated by knocking him of his donkey, striking him blind, and forcing him to submit to someone he would have persecuted and seen executed only moments earlier.

[2b] Paul's epistles are nothing more than the furtherance of divine revelation, a revelation to all humanity that began centuries earlier with the Pentateuch and the oral traditions that God had inspired to inform the written word. If all we had was the book of Genesis we'd understand very little, and the same can be said if all we had was the Pentateuch. The older revelation(s) informs the newer revelation, and the newer revelation explains the older. We should/would, therefore expect the epistolary to have much more explanatory power than anything and everything that preceded it, but without which there could be no epistolary. NONE of it would have been possible for Paul had he not been a Pharisees and not been purchased by God for God's purpose.

Ephesians 2:8-10
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

Paul had been created in Christ for works that God planned for him to perform before Paul was ever saved. That's the only authority Paul has, and he'd been prepared from his youth for those good works, for that very purpose. He was not simply a literate man in a day when most people were illiterate. He was a man literate in Greek and Roman culture, a man familiar with the Greek philosophers and the philosophies they asserted, with the rituals and customs of the pagan gods. He was uniquely prepared to speak to circumstances in adjacent societies/cultures the more insulated Jews could not.



Lastly, the documents we have that comprise our Bible are likely to be a small portion of all the correspondence that was written by the apostles (of which there were more than two dozen). We know, for example, that there are letters to the Church in Corinth that are missing because the Corinthians letters mention correspondence we don't have. God, in His wisdom, saw fit to preserve what (apparently) we needed and was sufficient for His purposes.
 
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Wow, thank you all so much for all of that information!

I do not really have anyone to talk to about these types of things! I go to church, of course, but we do not really touch upon the specifics of scripture on Sunday, with regards to how it developed and evolved, and the history behind the individuals

We did have a speaker from Tyndale house. He seemed extremely knowledgeable regarding the interpretation of the bible, the source material and languages and discussed briefly the folly of various translations but it seems to me that our sermons are focused very much on 'easy to understand' information for the masses rather than deep learning, which is a shame, but probably not uncommon?

I really do appreciate all of your responses. I really appreciate the comparison of Moses and Paul via @Josheb which made the comments above come together with complete sense.

Thank you all very much, again. I have lots of questions and not always sure where to post them but I feel better about asking, now.

God bless.
 
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Thank you very much. That goes a long way towards answering the authority query - very appreciated.

Do you happen to know why the NT is so heavily invested with Pauls writings? Is it because of what was mentioned previously ie access to writing and education? Thank you very much!
Paul received his NT teaching after the cross, from Jesus in heaven (2 Co 12:1-9, Gal 1:11-12), teachings which are not included in the gospels.
 
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Where is the biblical reference giving Paul such authority or was it just accepted that it was his by his peers?
The Book of The Acts of the Apostles written by Luke, the author of The Gospel according to Luke.
 
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Wow, thank you all so much for all of that information!

I do not really have anyone to talk to about these types of things! I go to church, of course, but we do not really touch upon the specifics of scripture on Sunday, with regards to how it developed and evolved, and the history behind the individuals

We did have a speaker from Tyndale house. He seemed extremely knowledgeable regarding the interpretation of the bible, the source material and languages and discussed briefly the folly of various translations but it seems to me that our sermons are focused very much on 'easy to understand' information for the masses rather than deep learning, which is a shame, but probably not uncommon?

I really do appreciate all of your responses. I really appreciate the comparison of Moses and Paul via @Josheb which made the comments above come together with complete sense.

Thank you all very much, again. I have lots of questions and not always sure where to post them but I feel better about asking, now.

God bless.
Happy to help and sincerely appreciate the appreciation and affirmation. I was somewhat suspicious of the op, wondering whether you might, perhaps, maybe, sorta were asking the question disingenuously in order to troll the respondents. I am pleased that is not the case.

I am not an expert but I am happy to provide answers to what I can but I encourage and exhort you to investigate everything I and everyone else posts on this matter. Do not take my word for anything, nor the word of others. Do your due diligence. We each have our biases and there are many posters in this forum who will disagree with my beliefs. For example, if you ever read the book, "The Pauline Eschatology" by Geerhardus Vos*, you'll probably find your view of end times and the doctrine thereof severely challenged. Vos expounded upon the end times as a function of salvation and Paul's exposition(s) as a Pharisee. Vos was NOT a proponent of the "New Paul," point of view but both viewpoints emphasize the fact Paul was a (former) Pharisee whose commentary was firmly couched in the Old Testament and particularly in the Law of Moses. Simply put, eschatology was soteriological and much of what we imagine about the end times today is sheer nonsense. Christ was and remains the fulfillment of the soteriological eschaton.

There are a lot of posters here who disagree.

They are taught a different perspective (and they are quite vocal about it).

Do you own a Bible? If not, then how can I get you one? Message me. The Bible is the measure of everything anyone here might post but in order to be able to use that measure a person has to have first read the Bible and read it cover to cover and have some familiarity with whole scripture, not just selectively used portions. Most of what I posted in Post #8 can be found in scripture. Get out your Bible and look it up. Do not take my word for it. Be a follower of Christ, the incarnate word, and not a follower of @Josheb, @David Lamb, @Maria Billingsley, @fhansen, or any of the other posters here.

1 Corinthians 1:10-15 ESV
I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. For it has been reported to me by Chloe’s people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ." Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name.

Verify everything with scripture (even my posts ;)).





* Vos was an ardently Reformed thinker, a Calvinist, but also a Calvinist who often thought outside the proverbial box. His examination is fairly meticulous, and as a consequence the book is somewhat laborious to read. I mention it only because it's an example of the unusual that is, nnonetheless, correct and orthodox (despite what some will consider his theological biases).
I have lots of questions and not always sure where to post them but I feel better about asking, now.
That is the purpose of the forum. The one who knows everything does not need the any discussion board ;). Ask away! As to where to post the inquiries, this forum has two boards that will readily serve your purpose. There is a General Theology board in which anything theological can be asked and The Junk Drawer where anything else can be posted. Any thread that gets too detailed (specifying a particular doctrine or field of theology) can probably be moved by the admin to the appropriate board. The members here are here to help.
 
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There is a good movie: Paul, Apostle of Christ from 2018 that, I think, is a good portrayal of Paul. The relationship of Paul and Luke is a major secondary topic of the film ( Luke is played by Jim Caviezel, who played Jesus Christ in 2004 film: The Passion).

The movie is faithfully based but not precisely based but it genuinely captures the terror of Christian persecutions during Paul’s captivity in Rome. There are also good portrayals of Paul’s friends Priscilla & Aquila ( Romans 16:3).

This is not a movie for young children even though there is care to avoid any gory portrayal, the terror of the persecutions was real and unavoidable for an honest depiction.

Bible reading is first and foremost and this movie is helpful in bringing history alive.


Little side joke, Olivier Martinez, who plays a good part as a demoted Roman military officer to prison warden. He is a French actor & I remember seeing a YouTube comment saying he had a “bad” French accent. (???).
 
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Happy to help and sincerely appreciate the appreciation and affirmation. I was somewhat suspicious of the op, wondering whether you might, perhaps, maybe, sorta were asking the question disingenuously in order to troll the respondents. I am pleased that is not the case.

I am not an expert but I am happy to provide answers to what I can but I encourage and exhort you to investigate everything I and everyone else posts on this matter. Do not take my word for anything, nor the word of others. Do your due diligence. We each have our biases and there are many posters in this forum who will disagree with my beliefs. For example, if you ever read the book, "The Pauline Eschatology" by Geerhardus Vos*, you'll probably find your view of end times and the doctrine thereof severely challenged. Vos expounded upon the end times as a function of salvation and Paul's exposition(s) as a Pharisee. Vos was NOT a proponent of the "New Paul," point of view but both viewpoints emphasize the fact Paul was a (former) Pharisee whose commentary was firmly couched in the Old Testament and particularly in the Law of Moses. Simply put, eschatology was soteriological and much of what we imagine about the end times today is sheer nonsense. Christ was and remains the fulfillment of the soteriological eschaton.

There are a lot of posters here who disagree.

They are taught a different perspective (and they are quite vocal about it).

Do you own a Bible? If not, then how can I get you one? Message me. The Bible is the measure of everything anyone here might post but in order to be able to use that measure a person has to have first read the Bible and read it cover to cover and have some familiarity with whole scripture, not just selectively used portions. Most of what I posted in Post #8 can be found in scripture. Get out your Bible and look it up. Do not take my word for it. Be a follower of Christ, the incarnate word, and not a follower of @Josheb, @David Lamb, @Maria Billingsley, @fhansen, or any of the other posters here.

1 Corinthians 1:10-15 ESV
I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment. For it has been reported to me by Chloe’s people that there is quarreling among you, my brothers. What I mean is that each one of you says, “I follow Paul,” or “I follow Apollos,” or “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ." Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name.

Verify everything with scripture (even my posts ;)).





* Vos was an ardently Reformed thinker, a Calvinist, but also a Calvinist who often thought outside the proverbial box. His examination is fairly meticulous, and as a consequence the book is somewhat laborious to read. I mention it only because it's an example of the unusual that is, nnonetheless, correct and orthodox (despite what some will consider his theological biases).

That is the purpose of the forum. The one who knows everything does not need the any discussion board ;). Ask away! As to where to post the inquiries, this forum has two boards that will readily serve your purpose. There is a General Theology board in which anything theological can be asked and The Junk Drawer where anything else can be posted. Any thread that gets too detailed (specifying a particular doctrine or field of theology) can probably be moved by the admin to the appropriate board. The members here are here to help.
Thank you so much for this information!

I'm glad you realize I'm not trolling! I wouldn't do that - I don't have that much time in the day - ha!

I will have a look at all the information you have provided. I really do appreciate references to information because, as stated earlier, I am not getting the opportunity for any deeper learning and I have a genuine interest to learn about Jesus and the history of the bible from all angles.

Also, thank you for the bible offer, that is very kind. I have many bibles and have read it many times but not with the comprehension level of an adult. I think this is why the questions have arisen. I was away from the church and God for many years, despite having been raised as a Christian, and have recently come back to God (thank you, Jesus). However, when I was a child/teen, the information given me was absorbed without question. Now, I'm older and I question almost everything I was taught and make sure to, as you have suggested, cross reference this with the bible. I see I have been taught many things in good intended error, but error nonetheless, and am now in the position to teach my family who have many questions that I just don't have answers to!
 
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There is a good movie: Paul, Apostle of Christ from 2018 that, I think, is a good portrayal of Paul. The relationship of Paul and Luke is a major secondary topic of the film ( Luke is played by Jim Caviezel, who played Jesus Christ in 2004 film: The Passion).

The movie is faithfully based but not precisely based but it genuinely captures the terror of Christian persecutions during Paul’s captivity in Rome. There are also good portrayals of Paul’s friends Priscilla & Aquila ( Romans 16:3).

This is not a movie for young children even though there is care to avoid any gory portrayal, the terror of the persecutions was real and unavoidable for an honest depiction.

Bible reading is first and foremost and this movie is helpful in bringing history alive.


Little side joke, Olivier Martinez, who plays a good part as a demoted Roman military officer to prison warden. He is a French actor & I remember seeing a YouTube comment saying he had a “bad” French accent. (???).
Thanks for this! We are currently reading the bible nightly at my home, and I have started a weekend Christian movie session to compliment our reading during the week, so this is perfect, thanks!
 
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Hi all,

I wonder if you can help.

Reading the NT and Jesus, overall, has very little to say in comparison to Paul. I understand Paul was a Jew who, persecuted Christians before becoming a follower of Christ, but did not know Jesus during his lifetime. Paul met Jesus, after he was resurrected, on the road to/from Emmaus.

Feel free to correct any of this that is incorrect.

What I can't understand is how Paul had such authority to a) seemingly become the leader of the disciples and taking ownership of their teachings to Jews/Gentiles b) authority/leadership of the church c) become the main reference within the NT

My understanding is that he was relatively wealthy and could afford to write more than most because he was able to afford paper etc and was well educated in comparison to most of the population.

Where is the biblical reference giving Paul such authority or was it just accepted that it was his by his peers?

Any clarification on these points would be appreciated, thanks
You received some good answers here, but I thought I would add, Paul‘s writings did come with a very significant warning 2 Peter 3:16 as he is hard to understand. Some Christians use his writing against the teachings of Jesus Christ and the commandments of God, which I believe this is a huge mistake. Rev 14:12 and not something Paul did in context 1 Cor 7:19, Rom 2:21-23 Rom 7:7 etc. We need to reconcile Paul’s writings with what Jesus taught and lived. Paul can seemingly contradict himself and Jesus if not properly understood. He was commissioned to spread the gospel to the Gentiles, not countermand the foundation set forth by Jesus, who is God made flesh, through His life, teachings and example we are to follow 1 john 2:6 1 peter 2:21-22 Heb 4:15 John 14:6.

Just my own two cents I have found a lot of errors in Christian movies, so take them as entertainment value and prayerfully read the Bible yourself for doctrine. :)

God bless!
 
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Hi all,

I wonder if you can help.

Reading the NT and Jesus, overall, has very little to say in comparison to Paul. I understand Paul was a Jew who, persecuted Christians before becoming a follower of Christ, but did not know Jesus during his lifetime. Paul met Jesus, after he was resurrected, on the road to/from Emmaus.

Feel free to correct any of this that is incorrect.

What I can't understand is how Paul had such authority to a) seemingly become the leader of the disciples and taking ownership of their teachings to Jews/Gentiles b) authority/leadership of the church c) become the main reference within the NT

My understanding is that he was relatively wealthy and could afford to write more than most because he was able to afford paper etc and was well educated in comparison to most of the population.

Where is the biblical reference giving Paul such authority or was it just accepted that it was his by his peers?

Any clarification on these points would be appreciated, thanks

The idea that Paul had greater authority, or "took ownership" is--I'd argue--an ahistorical reading of Paul and Paul's context in early Christianity.

Paul was, certainly, an extensive writer; and his letters to various churches and individuals make up about half of the entire New Testament Canon. That probably makes it seem like Paul was more important than others, but he wasn't.

Paul viewed himself as relatively small. Paul isn't his birthname, his given name is Saul; Paul is a Greek name (Paulos) and means "little"--and I suspect it's not a coincidence that he went by Paul in his post-conversion life. We can't say for certain where and how he took on the name Paul, it's entirely possible that Paul was a secondary name he had before his conversion, as it may not have been uncommon for Jewish people in predominantly Greco-Roman locations like Tarsus to have a Greek name, especially for Jewish people of higher social status (Paul indicates that he was born into higher status, his father had been granted citizenship which he inherited, and he was clearly a man of extensive learning. Though his writing skills were subpar, which is why he relied on the use of others to pen his letters, a common ancient practice). Though a part of me is fond of the possibility that Paul deliberately chose the name "Paul", not only because using a Greek name demonstrated his conviction that he was called to bring the Gospel to the Greeks, but the meaning of "little" demonstrates a view of himself that he actually touches upon numerous times in his letters.

Paul called himself the least of the apostles, as an apostle "born out of due time", precisely because his apostleship post-dates the call of the other apostles and given his pre-conversion history as a persecutor of Christians. In his letters we see an important dynamic, Paul in terms of his own view of himself in his own person regards himself with the utmost humility, and works in cooperation with the Jerusalem leadership (headed by James). Simultaneously, when it comes to the Gospel itself and its importance, he is a zero compromise person. So in Galatians he relays the story of a group of representatives from Jerusalem visiting, and his co-worker in Antioch, Peter, shrinks out of fear of being seen freely associating with the Greek brothers and sisters, Paul rebukes Peter right to his face. Paul doesn't lift himself up, but does lift the Gospel up--and will defend the cause of the Gospel even at personal risk.

Paul was very important, but he is isn't the most important apostle. Peter was right there in Antioch with Paul, though Peter understood his ministry as chiefly toward his Jewish kinsmen, while Paul's calling was toward the Greeks and other Gentiles (though both Paul and Peter freely preached to both Jew and Gentile alike, calling all to repentance and faith in Jesus). While the New Testament doesn't record all the information about what happened with many of the apostles, those stories were retained in the Church's collective memory. So the Church, in her living witness and memory, always looked to all the apostles as her Christ-sent teachers of the faith. Thomas, for example, in spite of being known as "the doubter" due to his initial doubts as described in the Gospels, became a bold preacher of the Gospel and his mission led him eastward, to the Jewish communities in Mesopotamia, Persia, and ultimately in India. The most ancient Christian communities in India, which still exist today, have always maintained that it was Thomas himself who brought Christianity to India. Thomas may have left us no letters, no texts which bear his authorship, but that doesn't mean he didn't play a powerful and profound role in the shaping of the ancient Church. The same is true of all the other apostles.

Paul doesn't stand apart, but with, all the apostles. Paul was a pillar, but one pillar among many. And he was certainly very important in the widespread reach of the Gospel to non-Jews.

In that sense, I--a Gentile--am in many ways indirectly influenced by Paul's ministry. Paul was a major player in preaching the Gospel to the uncircumcised world, and while it is unlikely that any of my most direct ancestors ever would have met or interacted with Paul*, but it was certainly a chain reaction that led to people like Patrick preaching the Gospel in Ireland, and Boniface to the Germans, and Augustine of Canterbury to the Anglo-Saxons, etc. So my broadly pan-Eureopean ancestors who did hear the Gospel for the first time, heard because of missions, because others who came before were bold in the confession of the Gospel, and that does go back to Paul--and not just Paul, but to all the apostles, and thus to Christ. So all of us, regardless of who we are today, or our ancestry, or the story of how we came to faith, are indebted to the work of faithful preachers of the Gospel going back to Jesus our Lord Himself. There is no Christian on earth today who is not indebted to the collective history of our common Christian and apostolic faith.

*Tangent: Genetics are weird, and when you go back that far, everyone is basically related to everyone else almost equally.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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You received some good answers here, but I thought I would add, Paul‘s writings did come with a very significant warning 2 Peter 3:16 as he is hard to understand. Some Christians use his writing against the teachings of Jesus Christ and the commandments of God, which I believe this is a huge mistake.
Don't confuse your personal theology with Paul's freedom from the curse of the law.
 
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