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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
Left-Wing Terrorism Is on the Rise
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That's all I've done in this thread is give specifics. If you want more to read, here:
Studies claiming most political violence is right-wing are transparently bogus
In the wake of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, Ilhan Omar tweeted an Anti-Defamation League chart that purports to prove that right wingers perpetrate the majority of politically motivated murders. T…
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The writer of that article has far-right views and writes for far-right outlets; it's no surprise that he would discredit studies on violent extremism in the US. There's not a single expert in the fields of countering violent extremism and terrorism that would agree with the writer when he says studies on violent extremism are bogus. Every legitimate study conducted on violent extremism over the past twenty years has reached the same conclusion: right-wing violence has far outpaced left-wing violence over the past 30 years in the US. That's indisputable.That's all I've done in this thread is give specifics. If you want more to read, here:
Studies claiming most political violence is right-wing are transparently bogus
In the wake of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, Ilhan Omar tweeted an Anti-Defamation League chart that purports to prove that right wingers perpetrate the majority of politically motivated murders. T…
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Someone provides facts that you don't like, so you dismiss him as far-right. That trick doesn't work anymore.
That's because you guys include almost everything as right-wing, and almost nothing as left-wing.
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Anyone can read his bio and the subject of some of the articles he has written to see that he represents the far-right.
He apparently didn't take the time to read or he didn't understand the purpose of the ADL study he was criticizing. The ADL never claims that all of the murders contained in the report had ideological motives. In fact, most were murders committed by individuals that held extremist views, with the murder being unrelated to those views. The ADL study found that those who adhere to far-right ideologies are more likely to commit violent acts than those that adhere to left-wing ideologies.
This is just not true. While some studies may contain errors when it comes to properly labeling the ideology of an extremist here and there, the number of individuals that are not correctly identified isn't going to be enough to change the results.
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Regardless of any bias the ADL may have, no study conducted over the past 20 years has reached a conclusion that contradicts the findings of the ADL report that right-wing violence outpaces that of any other ideological violence in the US. That may be changing going forward due to the current political environment, but that's the consensus among studies done up to this point.
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Not any more. There may have been a time where rhat was true, but now? No sir. Ever since Obama the left has gotten more and more violent. And it has ramped up more and more.
You havent proven him incorrect. All you have done is smear him only based upon his leanings.
There have been well over 180 acts of leftist violence and stuff that isnt included in your leftist profile. Like all rhe attacks on ICE, or Free Palistine people. I've seen Mangione get left out.
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I'll say this again: every legitimate study conducted on violent extremism over the past twenty years has reached the same conclusion: right-wing violence has far outpaced left-wing violence over the past 30 years in the US. That's indisputable.
The study that is the subject of this thread on domestic terrorism also shows that right-wing terrorism has been far more prevalent than left-wing terrorism until the first half of this year.
When it comes to all types of violence, not just terrorism, right-wing extremists have continued to lead the way. The numbers below are from the past three years.
Source: National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START), University of Maryland. (2024). Profiles of Individual Radicalization in the United States (PIRUS) [Data file]. Retrieved from http://www.start.umd.edu/data-tools/profiles-individual-radicalization-united-states-pirus
Do you have a source for this?
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On the rise? You mean it might possibly be measurable? That one might need more than 10 fingers to count it?
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Interesting opinion piece. Let’s look at some actual research:That's all I've done in this thread is give specifics. If you want more to read, here:
Studies claiming most political violence is right-wing are transparently bogus
In the wake of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, Ilhan Omar tweeted an Anti-Defamation League chart that purports to prove that right wingers perpetrate the majority of politically motivated murders. T…
“Across both datasets, we find that radical acts perpetrated by individuals associated with left-wing causes are less likely to be violent. In the United States, we find no difference between the level of violence perpetrated by right-wing and Islamist extremists.”
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The Black Panthers weren't overtly misogynistic. In fact the Black Panthers had alot of women participating in important community roles.
The Black Panthers were also founded primarily as a community empowerment group. They weren't necessarily explicitly racist, even if they had justifiable suspicions of white-dominated power structures.
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Fun fact, did you know that during Trump's inauguration in 2017 there were 234 people who were arrested for violent acts resulting in 6 officers sustaining serious injuries and none of it was counted as politically ideological?
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Evidence? I mean if it's systemic I'm sure you can find it.Well it's nice the Atlantic has given Trump credit for something positive.
Anyone who does a deep dive into the facts knows the statistics are bogus. A white man comes home and finds his wife in bed with a black man. He assaults the black man and that's categorized as "white on black crime" (as if he'd found her in bed with a white man he'd have offered him a cordial greeting). A white man assaults a homeowner while burglarizing a home. Investigation reveals the burglar once visited a white supremacist website. That's categorized as right-wing violence. And black and hispanic violent criminals who could possibly pass for being white are categorized as white. It's very skewed.
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That event is counted in the PIRUS database and the Global Terrorism Database hosted by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START) as left-wing/anarchist violence. The Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) also includes the event in their studies. CSIS counts it as a single event, while the START products count the 21 individuals that were convicted. All 234 people weren't included because most of the charges were dropped, and START requires both a conviction and evidence of radicalization for someone to be counted in their data set. The same criteria was used for the January 6, 2021 attack on the Capitol. While over 1,500 people were charged with crimes related to that event, only the 300 or so who were convicted and documented to have links to extremist groups were included in the GTD and PIRUS datasets.
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OH!! I see. It's just that there more INHERENTLY violent: Like it's a defect in their personality.That's all I've done in this thread is give specifics. If you want more to read, here:
Studies claiming most political violence is right-wing are transparently bogus
In the wake of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, Ilhan Omar tweeted an Anti-Defamation League chart that purports to prove that right wingers perpetrate the majority of politically motivated murders. T…
Left wing violence is focussed at those who threatenn them...
Interesting take!
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Let's set aside the ADL study.That's all I've done in this thread is give specifics. If you want more to read, here:
Studies claiming most political violence is right-wing are transparently bogus
In the wake of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, Ilhan Omar tweeted an Anti-Defamation League chart that purports to prove that right wingers perpetrate the majority of politically motivated murders. T…
The problem is FBI stats (National Institute of Justice) make it known the vast majority (and the major problem within the US) is right wing domestic terrorism. You will no longer find that on a government website because the Trump admin deleted it. That makes it a lot easier for right wing tabloid style editors like the WashTimes, to make spurious claims.
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