Has Kirk's Death Prompted You?

Akita Suggagaki · Monday at 7:42 PM

1Tonne said:
To simply say nothing while knowing that people are perishing is wrong.

Knowing they are perishing? That judgment is for God to make. Missing out on the fullness of life is another matter. But how to get someone to listen to words they have heard many times, perhaps even from the mouth of someone who abused them. Let us devote as much energy to feeding, clothing, visiting the least of his people and treating them with dignity and respect.

1Tonne · Monday at 7:55 PM

Akita Suggagaki said:
Knowing they are perishing? That judgment is for God to make. Missing out on the fullness of life is another matter. But how to get someone to listen to words they have heard many times, perhaps even from the mouth of someone who abused them. Let us devote as much energy to feeding, clothing, visiting the least of his people and treating them with dignity and respect.

You’re right that judgment belongs to God alone, and we absolutely must show compassion in tangible ways, feeding, clothing, visiting, and treating people with dignity. Jesus Himself commanded that. But He also commanded us to go and preach the Gospel to all creation (Mark 16:15). Works of love demonstrate the reality of our faith, but they cannot replace the spoken message of salvation.
If people have been wounded by those who misused God’s Word, then we should speak with greater love, gentleness, and sincerity, not remain silent. Because, as important as food and clothing are, only Christ saves from eternal separation from God. Both our deeds and our words are needed to truly love our neighbour. We should act and speak. To simply act and then let them fall off the cliff is wrong.

Akita Suggagaki · Monday at 8:32 PM

So has Kirk’s death prompted you to be more outspoken? As I said, it has prompted me to be s better listener. A few years ago I read an article “what is the point of spiritual care: a narrative approach. It really helped me listen and connect to anyone I talk with. From time to time I need to be reminded. Effective communication is about so much more than me making my points.

bèlla · Monday at 8:37 PM

Akita Suggagaki said:
So has Kirk’s death prompted you to be more outspoken? As I said, it has prompted me to be s better listener. A few years ago I read an article “what is the point of spiritual care: a narrative approach. It really helped me listen and connect to anyone I talk with. From time to time I need to be reminded. Effective communication is about so much more than me making my points.

I think it’s important to honor our gifts and the burdens the Lord imparts. If listening is the way forward then do it as unto the Lord and may your efforts yield much fruit.

~bella

1Tonne · Monday at 8:53 PM

Akita Suggagaki said:
So has Kirk’s death prompted you to be more outspoken? As I said, it has prompted me to be s better listener. A few years ago I read an article “what is the point of spiritual care: a narrative approach. It really helped me listen and connect to anyone I talk with. From time to time I need to be reminded. Effective communication is about so much more than me making my points.

If Charlie Kirk's death has prompted you to be a better listener, then that is good. But we need to make sure that, as well as doing good deeds and listening, we also speak. How shall they hear without a preacher? If Charlie had only listened to everyone without speaking, then we would never have known of Him.
The Holy Spirit was given so that we would have boldness to speak and be His witnesses to the ends of the earth.

1Tonne · Monday at 8:55 PM

Akita Suggagaki said:
So has Kirk’s death prompted you to be more outspoken? As I said, it has prompted me to be s better listener. A few years ago I read an article “what is the point of spiritual care: a narrative approach. It really helped me listen and connect to anyone I talk with. From time to time I need to be reminded. Effective communication is about so much more than me making my points.

Also, Akita, I am not trying to bully or pick on you. I am simply trying to prod people to share the Gospel. I think in this day and age, people need prodding. - and that is actually why the Holy Spirit was also given to us. To prod us into action.

Akita Suggagaki · Monday at 9:14 PM

1Tonne said:
Also, Akita, I am not trying to bully or pick on you. I am simply trying to prod people to share the Gospel. I think in this day and age, people need prodding. - and that is actually why the Holy Spirit was also given to us. To prod us into action.

So is that a yes? You have been more outspoken?

Akita Suggagaki · Monday at 9:21 PM

1Tonne said:
Also, Akita, I am not trying to bully or pick on you. I am simply trying to prod people to share the Gospel. I think in this day and age, people need prodding. - and that is actually why the Holy Spirit was also given to us. To prod us into action.

As a hospital chaplain I do not “prod” people. I journey with them and try to show them the love and care of God in their moments of crisis. Most people are very open about their faith already, though it may be underdeveloped or not very considered. Are the still “perishing” because their faith is not what I think it should be?

1Tonne · Monday at 9:43 PM

Akita Suggagaki said:
So is that a yes? You have been more outspoken?

The remembrance service only happened yesterday, and that was where I thought, I need to speak more. I need to tell more people the Gospel because we only have a short time on earth and none of us know when our number is up. So, time is short. Make the most of it.

Akita Suggagaki said:
As a hospital chaplain I do not “prod” people. I journey with them and try to show them the love and care of God in their moments of crisis. Most people are very open about their faith already, though it may be underdeveloped or not very considered. Are the still “perishing” because their faith is not what I think it should be?

I would say that if you are a hospital chaplain, then that would be all the more reason to say the Gospel more. You are with people in moments of need, life and death. There are eternities at stake. But I understand that at times, we need to tread carefully and walk with them, and sometimes it may not be possible to say the Gospel. But our heart's desire should be that people hear and understand.
Also, it is the Holy Spirit that does the prodding, not us. We who have the Holy Spirit should feel an urge that the Gospel be told.

Akita Suggagaki · Tuesday at 9:27 AM

Most of them have heard the Word and have made up their minds one way or the other. Those who persist in unbelief and no need for conversion are like hard shells. The more prodding we do the harder their shells become. There is more hope in hearing their story first, gaining trust, making connections.

Those who are undecided or still considering seem to come around by reflecting on questions like “What gives your life meaning? What gives you strength?” Hearing them out brings opportunities to relate Gospel themes, stories, parables, and more questions for reflection.

Sometimes they are not familiar with any scripture references, like a clean slate. So there are a lot of their questions to explore. But almost everyone is open to a prayer. I think that does more for them than anything.

Godcrazy · Tuesday at 12:39 PM

Pepperdoodle said:
Wish the Left leaning murderer of Charlie would have thought more like that

well America been on division for a long time and faculties are encouraging it atm. I think what happened highlight it. And how far away it has gone. I think some did not like he tried to unite people!

Godcrazy · Tuesday at 12:44 PM

Akita Suggagaki said:
Most of them have heard the Word and have made up their minds one way or the other. Those who persist in unbelief and no need for conversion are like hard shells. The more prodding we do the harder their shells become. There is more hope in hearing their story first, gaining trust, making connections.

Those who are undecided or still considering seem to come around by reflecting on questions like “What gives your life meaning? What gives you strength?” Hearing them out brings opportunities to relate Gospel themes, stories, parables, and more questions for reflection.

Sometimes they are not familiar with any scripture references, like a clean slate. So there are a lot of their questions to explore. But almost everyone is open to a prayer. I think that does more for them than anything.

I think it is more important to have a dialogue, make them think, have a discussion, because it is not they don`t wonder or ponder. I hear videos from little light studios on youtube, they are very refreshing christians. They have discussions and emphasis on discuss with other people and open up the dialogue. I think it is important. Not to convince but saw seeds. I think that is what is needed actually

Pepperdoodle · Tuesday at 12:49 PM

Godcrazy said:
well America been on division for a long time and faculties are encouraging it atm. I think what happened highlight it. And how far away it has gone. I think some did not like he tried to unite people!

I find it very odd that some of the Left leaning like to talk about "unity" here in the US, but when someone is actually trying in that area with a public platform, he is murdered by one of the Left's own

Plus they like to preach about accepting others, not hating people, love, kindness, tolerance, but then when one of their own murder someone who simply disagreed with Kirk...some of the Left have said it was wrong, but some of them have said it is fine.
Most of them go by out of context things Kirk said and that is what they think Charlie was. I've yet had a Left leaner share something that rubbed them wrong about Kirk's views in context. They can't do it it seems.
Both main party's are not what they should be, but the bigger burden is on the Left leaning. That party is messed up!

Godcrazy · Tuesday at 1:00 PM

Pepperdoodle said:
I find it very odd that some of the Left leaning like to talk about "unity" here in the US, but when someone is actually trying in that area with a public platform, he is murdered by one of the Left's own
Plus they like to preach about accepting others, not hating people, love, kindness, tolerance, but then when one of their own murder someone who simply disagreed with Kirk...some of the Left have said it was wrong, but some of them have said it is fine.
Most of them go by out of context things Kirk said and that is what they think Charlie was. I've yet had a Left leaner share something that rubbed them wrong about Kirk's views in context. They can't do it it seems.
Both main party's are not what they should be, but the bigger burden is on the Left leaning. That party is messed up!

Definitely agree. I think it goes deeper. It is staged, from those in power. They just use the others. They have been indoctrinated a long time. Deep down no human being really want to go against each other. It is learned behaviour. Playing on basic needs and fears. It is obvious. Then Kirk bless him goes against it. It is absolutely disgusting how anyone can be happy about someones death. Just think of their kids and family. one thing I found very refreshing was how everyone at the memorial were dressed NICE and no tattoos no cleavages or too short or so or fake this that but natural. Here in Uk it is madness. Basically almost everyone goes dressed in jogging clothes that shows everything tatoos, fake everything and no normal clothes more or less give or take a few. I grew up in Scandinavia Sweden where we were not raised like that and even to this day all my friends there they marvel when I tell them how it is here. Unfortunately it starts to come in to scandinavia too. But still new. It was like finally being able to draw your breath seeing the memorial. Poor his wife.

Godcrazy · Tuesday at 1:01 PM

the programming comes to show. the bible is clear, bad habits ruin good habits.

Pepperdoodle · Tuesday at 1:10 PM

Godcrazy said:
Definitely agree. I think it goes deeper. It is staged, from those in power. They just use the others. They have been indoctrinated a long time. Deep down no human being really want to go against each other. It is learned behaviour. Playing on basic needs and fears. It is obvious. Then Kirk bless him goes against it. It is absolutely disgusting how anyone can be happy about someones death. Just think of their kids and family. one thing I found very refreshing was how everyone at the memorial were dressed NICE and no tattoos no cleavages or too short or so or fake this that but natural. Here in Uk it is madness. Basically almost everyone goes dressed in jogging clothes that shows everything tatoos, fake everything and no normal clothes more or less give or take a few. I grew up in Scandinavia Sweden where we were not raised like that and even to this day all my friends there they marvel when I tell them how it is here. Unfortunately it starts to come in to scandinavia too. But still new. It was like finally being able to draw your breath seeing the memorial. Poor his wife.

One thing that has made the Left open to a death of someone is...are they convenient to keep around.
They have learned this in part through supporting the killing of growing babies in the womb.
These people are taught lies about it all and then those who come along in that party just go along with whatever they are told about it and that's where they sit. They don't even realize it is desensitizing them to death of those they see as a problem. In this case an unwanted pregnancy is a problem, the growing baby is seen as a problem.
So some of them will go gleefully in to kill their growing baby in the womb. They got rid of that "problem".
Some of them use it as birth control.

I've seen some clips of people around the world in various countries gathering to honor Kirk. What is the overall attitude in the UK about Charlie's murder?

Godcrazy · Tuesday at 2:25 PM

Pepperdoodle said:
One thing that has made the Left open to a death of someone is...are they convenient to keep around.
They have learned this in part through supporting the killing of growing babies in the womb.
These people are taught lies about it all and then those who come along in that party just go along with whatever they are told about it and that's where they sit. They don't even realize it is desensitizing them to death of those they see as a problem. In this case an unwanted pregnancy is a problem, the growing baby is seen as a problem.
So some of them will go gleefully in to kill their growing baby in the womb. They got rid of that "problem".
Some of them use it as birth control.

I've seen some clips of people around the world in various countries gathering to honor Kirk. What is the overall attitude in the UK about Charlie's murder?

I have only seen a brief mention of it all in Uk in the media. That is it. And a mention and briefly again video about the memorial. Like don`t care.
I agree with you. I went to nurse school. Almost immediately in the beginning they told us how we should help to abort a baby, how they literally cut it in pieces while alive- yes they did say this- and how some die immediately others suffer for hours on a table and how we were to wait let it lay there. I thought to myself, I`m out, or, I will never participate in this I would help the baby and take care of it that was what I thought nothing in me could ignore such a baby if I could have done something I would have taken it on myself! It went against everything in me. The others just sat there believing it was "just a embryo"! How peculiar when they get pregnant and want it it`s a baby! There is no difference. I rather advocate for really really helping the mothers with everything and or adopt. And better control of it so they get good homes. We can simply not decide over life and death it is a crime. If one is old enough to do it they are old enough to take precautions at least even though of course for me not an option. I have had people that "just wanted a child" not caring about it more or less say to me why don`t you just get pregnant and do like me, I said a child deserves a father and I could not do that to a child for so many reasons also development and a father figure and stability! she just looked at me empty. vacant. who took care of the child and made sure she got things right me. Oh and of course forced a man outside his marriage to have it despite he said no.
there definitely is a reason for God saying what is right and wrong.

1Tonne · Tuesday at 3:25 PM

Akita Suggagaki said:
Most of them have heard the Word and have made up their minds one way or the other. Those who persist in unbelief and no need for conversion are like hard shells. The more prodding we do the harder their shells become. There is more hope in hearing their story first, gaining trust, making connections.

Those who are undecided or still considering seem to come around by reflecting on questions like “What gives your life meaning? What gives you strength?” Hearing them out brings opportunities to relate Gospel themes, stories, parables, and more questions for reflection.

Sometimes they are not familiar with any scripture references, like a clean slate. So there are a lot of their questions to explore. But almost everyone is open to a prayer. I think that does more for them than anything.

You make a good point. Listening, building trust, and asking good questions are often part of evangelism. Paul himself said he became all things to all people so that by all possible means he might save some. Meeting people where they are is wise.
But we can’t forget that the Gospel itself, the message of Christ crucified and risen, is what saves. Faith comes by hearing that message, not simply by reflecting on life’s questions or experiencing kindness (Romans 10:17). Some may seem hardened, but God’s Word can still pierce the heart (Hebrews 4:12). Even if they’ve heard before, hearing it again through a life of love and a mouth of boldness may be the very moment God opens their eyes.

With those who already know the words but remain unmoved, sometimes it helps to use the Law to show that they’ve fallen short of God’s standards. When they realise justice means a death sentence, they also see their desperate need for a Saviour. Then the Gospel becomes good news.

And yes, this can feel daunting, especially in hospitals or with those near death. But pray for the Spirit’s help, then speak. I did this recently with an elderly lady in a rest home. She was very unwell (she needs extra oxygen because her lungs are failing), but the next day she rang me, asking if I could repeat what I’d said. I’m going back today to share more. It was scary, but I spoke anyway and she listened.

So yes, listen, connect, and pray. But also speak the Gospel clearly. Both are needed if we truly love people.

Godcrazy said:
Definitely agree. I think it goes deeper. It is staged, from those in power. They just use the others.

I do think those in power play a role, but the blame ultimately lies with the people who commit these atrocities. The Bible speaks directly about them in Romans 1:18–32. It says that when people refuse to give God glory for His creation, He hands them over to a depraved mind. They exchange natural relations for unnatural ones, and then in verses 29–31 it describes them:
'being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;'
Sadly, when people reject God, He gives them over to a debased mind, and the result is great evil. God will hold these people accountable one day for these evil acts.

Some people may not like what I have said, but it is the Bible that says it. It's not me. - Although I agree 100% with the Bible.

Godcrazy · Tuesday at 5:01 PM

1Tonne said:
You make a good point. Listening, building trust, and asking good questions are often part of evangelism. Paul himself said he became all things to all people so that by all possible means he might save some. Meeting people where they are is wise.
But we can’t forget that the Gospel itself, the message of Christ crucified and risen, is what saves. Faith comes by hearing that message, not simply by reflecting on life’s questions or experiencing kindness (Romans 10:17). Some may seem hardened, but God’s Word can still pierce the heart (Hebrews 4:12). Even if they’ve heard before, hearing it again through a life of love and a mouth of boldness may be the very moment God opens their eyes.

With those who already know the words but remain unmoved, sometimes it helps to use the Law to show that they’ve fallen short of God’s standards. When they realise justice means a death sentence, they also see their desperate need for a Saviour. Then the Gospel becomes good news.

And yes, this can feel daunting, especially in hospitals or with those near death. But pray for the Spirit’s help, then speak. I did this recently with an elderly lady in a rest home. She was very unwell (she needs extra oxygen because her lungs are failing), but the next day she rang me, asking if I could repeat what I’d said. I’m going back today to share more. It was scary, but I spoke anyway and she listened.

So yes, listen, connect, and pray. But also speak the Gospel clearly. Both are needed if we truly love people.

I do think those in power play a role, but the blame ultimately lies with the people who commit these atrocities. The Bible speaks directly about them in Romans 1:18–32. It says that when people refuse to give God glory for His creation, He hands them over to a depraved mind. They exchange natural relations for unnatural ones, and then in verses 29–31 it describes them:
'being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;'
Sadly, when people reject God, He gives them over to a debased mind, and the result is great evil. God will hold these people accountable one day for these evil acts.

Some people may not like what I have said, but it is the Bible that says it. It's not me. - Although I agree 100% with the Bible.

The bible comes first, our own opion second. I`m like, there is always deeper reasons for behaviour and thoughts. If we can get to the bottom of it they might be more open. Then if we can make them think, God sow seeds. I think the sinners need counseling too. And help. It depends, if they are like going my own way it is different. On the other hand one person might reach one person another can`t due to personalities. Or ways. One thing sure you have to take sin at its core when it got in what happened, thought patterns etc. Otherwise it will grow. as well help to continue with God. I have found by knowing or being amongst unbelievers or hearing they do not like at all someone shout at them they shut off and think it is rude but I have had good conversations if not

1Tonne · Tuesday at 5:30 PM

Godcrazy said:
I have found by knowing or being amongst unbelievers or hearing they do not like at all someone shout at them they shut off and think it is rude but I have had good conversations if not

First Peter 3:15 says that we should preach with gentleness and respect. So, we should not be yelling unless there are a large crowd who are listening and for everyone to hear, you need to speak with more volume. But be wise in your tone.

Also, you said that God plants the seeds. I think you got that wrong (Probably an accident). We plant the seed, which is the spoken Gospel, then it is God who creates the growth.
We should scatter the seed in as many places as possible.

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