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The Son of Man and the Throne Room

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There is an interesting parallel between Dan 7 and Rev 1-5 in which the Son of Man appears in heaven to obtain authority on behalf of his people. Jesus appears in white, showing his absolute purity, and then we see the fires of judgment come down upon those who persecute God's People.

Dan 7.8 “While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully.
9 “As I looked,
“thrones were set in place,
and the Ancient of Days took his seat.


I read this Little Horn as the Antichrist, and the context describing Heaven's verdict on his reign. So the context involves the terminal point of the reign of Antichrist which, of course, is when the Son of Man descends from heaven.

I understand that some here may not believe in a literal Antichrist, so it can be read that this is the time of the end of the reign of *Antichristianity.*

Dan 7.9 “As I looked,
“thrones were set in place,
and the Ancient of Days took his seat.
His clothing was as white as snow;
the hair of his head was white like wool."


This is the exact same context as we see in the book of Revelation, where the Son of Man has hair white like wool, and where he is coming with the clouds. Jesus is pure, and could provide the necessary atonement for sinners.

Rev 1.7 “Look, he is coming with the clouds,”
and “every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him”;
and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.”
So shall it be! Amen.....
12 I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow.


So, we have the Son of Man being revealed to John in his vision, and like Dan 7 he has white hair and is proceeding with the clouds in an apparent fiery judgment.

Dan 7.12 I kept looking until the beast was slain and its body destroyed and thrown into the blazing fire....
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed."


Jesus, in Rev 4-5 can be seen obtaining a document in heaven from God, giving him authority not just to forgive our sins but also to bring the reign of Antichristian persecution to an end. He is the one with the commission, who has Divine authority to bring it about in his own time.

Rev 5.5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals..."
9 And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.
10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
and they will reign on the earth.”
 

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There is an interesting parallel between Dan 7 and Rev 1-5 in which the Son of Man appears in heaven to obtain authority on behalf of his people. Jesus appears in white, showing his absolute purity, and then we see the fires of judgment come down upon those who persecute God's People.

Dan 7.8 “While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully.
9 “As I looked,
“thrones were set in place,
and the Ancient of Days took his seat.


I read this Little Horn as the Antichrist, and the context describing Heaven's verdict on his reign. So the context involves the terminal point of the reign of Antichrist which, of course, is when the Son of Man descends from heaven.

I understand that some here may not believe in a literal Antichrist, so it can be read that this is the time of the end of the reign of *Antichristianity.*
:wave:

The first-century Christians believed that Nero was "the" Antichrist, though he is not the only antichrist. 1 John 2:18, 1 John 4:3, 2 John 1:7
Dan 7.9 “As I looked,
“thrones were set in place,
and the Ancient of Days took his seat.
His clothing was as white as snow;
the hair of his head was white like wool."


This is the exact same context as we see in the book of Revelation, where the Son of Man has hair white like wool, and where he is coming with the clouds. Jesus is pure, and could provide the necessary atonement for sinners.

Rev 1.7 “Look, he is coming with the clouds,”
and “every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him”;
and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.”
So shall it be! Amen.....
12 I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow.


So, we have the Son of Man being revealed to John in his vision, and like Dan 7 he has white hair and is proceeding with the clouds in an apparent fiery judgment.
Jesus came in judgment against the unbelieving Jews and their holy city, Jerusalem, with its sacred temple, in 70 AD. He destroyed them, using the Roman armies, because they rejected him as their Messiah. Luke 21:20, Matthew 24:15 The pagan armies surrounding Jerusalem were the desolating sacrilege prophesied by Daniel. These pagans also profaned the temple with their presence within it and their worship of Caesar in it.
Dan 7.12 I kept looking until the beast was slain and its body destroyed and thrown into the blazing fire....
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed."
Jesus is presently reigning in heaven with his saints, and he will reign from there until it is time for his second (final) coming. Luke 22:69, Matthew 26:64, 1 Corinthians 15:25
Jesus, in Rev 4-5 can be seen obtaining a document in heaven from God, giving him authority not just to forgive our sins but also to bring the reign of Antichristian persecution to an end. He is the one with the commission, who has Divine authority to bring it about in his own time.

Rev 5.5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals..."
9 And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.
10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
and they will reign on the earth.”
There will always be antichrists in the world until Jesus returns for his second coming.
 
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The first-century Christians believed that Nero was "the" Antichrist, though he is not the only antichrist. 1 John 2:18, 1 John 4:3, 2 John 1:7
Yes, I think it is good to keep in mind that Jesus' eschatology and NT eschatology appear to be built upon Daniel's Dream in Dan 7. There, the end of the age is said to be immediately preceded by a 4th Kingdom, which is commonly thought to represent Rome.

However, if Rome immedately precedes the coming of Christ's Kingdom, then imperial Rome has to extend all down through the NT age and have an endtime fulfillment. So, it makes sense that a Roman Caesar had an early foreshadowing of Antichrist in Nero. But in the end, the number 666 may stand for a generic Roman ruler.

It may surprise some that Roman imperialism has continued in various forms all down through the NT age, from ancient Rome, to the French and German Empires, to Napoleon and Hitler, to Stalin and Putin. They have all aspired to recreate the glory of imperial Rome!
Jesus came in judgment against the unbelieving Jews and their holy city, Jerusalem, with its sacred temple, in 70 AD. He destroyed them, using the Roman armies, because they rejected him as their Messiah. Luke 21:20, Matthew 24:15 The pagan armies surrounding Jerusalem were the desolating sacrilege prophesied by Daniel. These pagans also profaned the temple with their presence within it and their worship of Caesar in it.
Yes, I agree that the Abomination of Desolation was the Roman Army, as indicated in Luke 21. Where Matthew and Mark place the AoD in this Discourse, Luke places the Roman Army in the same exact place.

In the book of Daniel, the AoD is applied also to Antiochus 4, I believe. However, he may have provided another foreshadowing of the coming Antichrist, who like Antiochus will destroy many of God's People.
Jesus is presently reigning in heaven with his saints, and he will reign from there until it is time for his second (final) coming. Luke 22:69, Matthew 26:64, 1 Corinthians 15:25

There will always be antichrists in the world until Jesus returns for his second coming.
Good word!
 
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Yes, I think it is good to keep in mind that Jesus' eschatology and NT eschatology appear to be built upon Daniel's Dream in Dan 7. There, the end of the age is said to be immediately preceded by a 4th Kingdom, which is commonly thought to represent Rome.

However, if Rome immedately precedes the coming of Christ's Kingdom, then imperial Rome has to extend all down through the NT age and have an endtime fulfillment. So, it makes sense that a Roman Caesar had an early foreshadowing of Antichrist in Nero. But in the end, the number 666 may stand for a generic Roman ruler.
It seems to me that Christ's kingdom is a spiritual kingdom and it is presently alive in every obedient Christian.

Matthew 3:2 “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Matthew 16:28 I tell you the truth, there are some of those standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.


Mark 1:15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”

Mark 14:25 I tell you the truth, I will not again drink from the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”


Jesus drank the fruit of the vine on the cross. The kingdom of God began then.

Luke 17:20-21 Having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, saying, “The kingdom of God will not come with observation. 21 Nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”

John 18:36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world; if my kingdom were of this world, my subjects be fighting to prevent me from being handed over to the Jews; but as it is my kingdom is not from here.”

After Jesus returns at his second coming, the judgment will take place, and then his kingdom will be both physical and spiritual for eternity. 2 Peter 1:1-11
It may surprise some that Roman imperialism has continued in various forms all down through the NT age, from ancient Rome, to the French and German Empires, to Napoleon and Hitler, to Stalin and Putin. They have all aspired to recreate the glory of imperial Rome!

Yes, I agree that the Abomination of Desolation was the Roman Army, as indicated in Luke 21. Where Matthew and Mark place the AoD in this Discourse, Luke places the Roman Army in the same exact place.

In the book of Daniel, the AoD is applied also to Antiochus 4, I believe. However, he may have provided another foreshadowing of the coming Antichrist, who like Antiochus will destroy many of God's People.
I believe there can be another fulfillment, but there doesn't need to be another fulfillment. The gospels were primarily written for the first-century Jews who were soon to experience Matthew 24:1-35. Most of Revelation was also written for these first-century Jews. Of course, all Christians of all centuries do benefit from reading the history concerning their religion.
 
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It seems to me that Christ's kingdom is a spiritual kingdom and it is presently alive in every obedient Christian.
Christ's kingdom is indeed a spiritual kingdom, but it only exists in temporal forms on earth. For example, Israel's ancient theocracy was a temporal form of the Kingdom of God. And I believe Christian states have been a temporal form of the Kingdom of God. Jesus said the Kingdom of God would be taken from Israel and given to another, which I believe to be Rome, and eventually European Civilization.
Matthew 3:2 “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
"At hand" is not yet here. Jesus represented the Kingdom of God in temporal form when he exercised his earthly ministry. He made membership in the Kingdom of God possible following the Cross. He utilized the powers of the Kingdom as the future King over that coming Kingdom.
Matthew 16:28 I tell you the truth, there are some of those standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.
The Mt. of Transfiguration was like a prolepsis, a vision of the future Kingdom coming well before it actually comes. The 3 disciples of Jesus saw this as if it was actually happening.
Mark 1:15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”

Mark 14:25 I tell you the truth, I will not again drink from the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God.”


Jesus drank the fruit of the vine on the cross. The kingdom of God began then.
I don't think Jesus drank anything on the cross because they gave him vinegar.
Luke 17:20-21 Having been asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, saying, “The kingdom of God will not come with observation. 21 Nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”
This means the Kingdom of God is not gradually developing such that we can watch it be built. People cannot construct this Kingdom. Anybody who claims to be doing so are false prophets.

The interior presence of the Kingdom is what you've called the "spiritual Kingdom." It is preliminary, or a membership, before the real deal comes.
John 18:36 Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world; if my kingdom were of this world, my subjects be fighting to prevent me from being handed over to the Jews; but as it is my kingdom is not from here.”
The Kingdom of God is presently in heaven. It will come following the age of evangelization.
After Jesus returns at his second coming, the judgment will take place, and then his kingdom will be both physical and spiritual for eternity. 2 Peter 1:1-11
The Kingdom of God in its temporal form is already physical and spiritual. The Church, as well as historic Christian states, are examples of the visible, temporal Kingdom. They are preliminary to their eternal forms, when we become immortal and all evil is removed.
I believe there can be another fulfillment, but there doesn't need to be another fulfillment. The gospels were primarily written for the first-century Jews who were soon to experience Matthew 24:1-35. Most of Revelation was also written for these first-century Jews. Of course, all Christians of all centuries do benefit from reading the history concerning their religion.
I have good friends who are preterists, but I'm not one. I share the belief with them that much of the Olivet Discourse was about 70 AD. But it cannot be ignored that Luke also spoke of a long, difficult exile that would follow 70 AD for the Jewish People. This goes far beyond that time and circumstance, since the Jewish People are still struggling.

The other Gospel authors, excluding John, called it the "Great Tribulation" of the Jewish People. The Scriptures speak of the world hating the Jewish People in the last days, and I believe we're seeing that now. Zech 14.
 
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Daniel 7:13-14 is Jesus coming into His kingdom in heaven, as Jesus left this earth in Acts 1:9-12 as his apostles looked on (fulfilling Matthew 16:28 about coming into his kingdom).

When Jesus returns, He will bring His kingdom of heaven to earth - to rule over the nations as the Kingdom of God.

Which the Lord's prayer, Jesus taught, is...

Matthew 6:
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
 
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There is an interesting parallel between Dan 7 and Rev 1-5 in which the Son of Man appears in heaven to obtain authority on behalf of his people. Jesus appears in white, showing his absolute purity, and then we see the fires of judgment come down upon those who persecute God's People.

Dan 7.8 “While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully.
9 “As I looked,
“thrones were set in place,
and the Ancient of Days took his seat.


I read this Little Horn as the Antichrist, and the context describing Heaven's verdict on his reign. So the context involves the terminal point of the reign of Antichrist which, of course, is when the Son of Man descends from heaven.

I understand that some here may not believe in a literal Antichrist, so it can be read that this is the time of the end of the reign of *Antichristianity.*

Dan 7.9 “As I looked,
“thrones were set in place,
and the Ancient of Days took his seat.
His clothing was as white as snow;
the hair of his head was white like wool."


This is the exact same context as we see in the book of Revelation, where the Son of Man has hair white like wool, and where he is coming with the clouds. Jesus is pure, and could provide the necessary atonement for sinners.

Rev 1.7 “Look, he is coming with the clouds,”
and “every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him”;
and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.”
So shall it be! Amen.....
12 I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me. And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow.


So, we have the Son of Man being revealed to John in his vision, and like Dan 7 he has white hair and is proceeding with the clouds in an apparent fiery judgment.

Dan 7.12 I kept looking until the beast was slain and its body destroyed and thrown into the blazing fire....
13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed."


Jesus, in Rev 4-5 can be seen obtaining a document in heaven from God, giving him authority not just to forgive our sins but also to bring the reign of Antichristian persecution to an end. He is the one with the commission, who has Divine authority to bring it about in his own time.

Rev 5.5 Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals..."
9 And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.
10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
and they will reign on the earth.”
Yes, the two scriptures describe the investiture of the Son of man and Son of David with kingdom authority. From there He starts the judgments upon the earth, the world system and fallen angels. The Body of Christ is with Him as the court.

The tribulation starts and at the end the Lord comes in power and great glory with His angelic army to deliver Israel and bring vengeance upon the rebellious.
 
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Yes, the two scriptures describe the investiture of the Son of man and Son of David with kingdom authority. From there He starts the judgments upon the earth, the world system and fallen angels. The Body of Christ is with Him as the court.

The tribulation starts and at the end the Lord comes in power and great glory with His angelic army to deliver Israel and bring vengeance upon the rebellious.
Could be. Sometimes an explanation follows the announcement of an action. In this case, the action mentioned is the coming of the Son of Man with the clouds. And the explanation that follows either takes place at that time, or earlier, as you've suggested.

In the book of Revelation, the heavenly scene in Rev 4-5 takes place before the depiction of Christ's Return later on in the book. And it precedes all of the visions that detail the Reign of Antichrist and his defeat. So, you could be right. The heavenly court may endow Christ with the authority to enact the final scene in this age.
 
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"At hand" is not yet here. Jesus represented the Kingdom of God in temporal form when he exercised his earthly ministry. He made membership in the Kingdom of God possible following the Cross. He utilized the powers of the Kingdom as the future King over that coming Kingdom.
Jesus is already king. He is reigning over heaven and earth from his throne in heaven. He does not physically return to earth until it is time for the resurrection of all the dead bodies and the judgment of all the sheep and goats.

Hebrews 12:2
looking to Jesus the pioneer and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; 17 then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:22-26 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

I don't think Jesus drank anything on the cross because they gave him vinegar.
Luke 22:18
for I tell you that from now on I shall not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”

John 19:29-30 Mounce
A jar full of sour wine was there, so they attached a sponge soaked in the sour wine to a stalk of hyssop and held it to his mouth. When he had taken the sour wine, Jesus said, “It is accomplished!” And he bowed his head and handed over his spirit.

The Kingdom of God in its temporal form is already physical and spiritual. The Church, as well as historic Christian states, are examples of the visible, temporal Kingdom. They are preliminary to their eternal forms, when we become immortal and all evil is removed.

I have good friends who are preterists, but I'm not one. I share the belief with them that much of the Olivet Discourse was about 70 AD. But it cannot be ignored that Luke also spoke of a long, difficult exile that would follow 70 AD for the Jewish People. This goes far beyond that time and circumstance, since the Jewish People are still struggling.
Please share the Scriptures for this long, difficult exile. Thank you.
The other Gospel authors, excluding John, called it the "Great Tribulation" of the Jewish People. The Scriptures speak of the world hating the Jewish People in the last days, and I believe we're seeing that now. Zech 14.

The Zechariah 14 chapter concludes with a vision of the future (as seen by Zechariah at the time of the writing of Zechariah 14), where the survivors among the nations will be required to come annually to Jerusalem to celebrate Sukkot, the Feast of Tabernacles. Those who do not come will be punished with no rain and with plague.

Christians do not celebrate Sukkot presently, and they will not be celebrating it in the future in Jerusalem. Sukkot was a first covenant requirement, but it is not a new covenant requirement.

The Jews do presently believe that they are still under the first covenant, but they are mistaken. It was made obsolete (no longer in force) by Jesus' perfect, bloody, sacrificial death on the cross. Hebrews 8:13


Colossians 2:13-17 And you, who were dead in trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 having canceled the bond which stood against us with its legal demands; this he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15 He disarmed the principalities and powers and made a public example of them, triumphing over them in him.
16 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a sabbath. 17 These are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
 
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Jesus is already king. He is reigning over heaven and earth from his throne in heaven. He does not physically return to earth until it is time for the resurrection of all the dead bodies and the judgment of all the sheep and goats.
The point is, Jesus does not yet reign over a realized Kingdom of Heaven on the earth. That is what is coming, and that is what he is not yet king over because it simply is not yet realized. Consider the future tense here...

Rev 11.15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:
“The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”


The Kingdom of God, in this sense, was at hand in Jesus' day, and it is still at hand in our day. That's because it is not yet here, even though some elements are present that make it relatively imminent.

In Jesus' time, his own presence and ministry made the spiritual Kingdom immediately available. And in our time, the ministry of the Gospel makes Savlation immediately available. But obtaining the Kingdom itself remains future.

The Kingdom is "near," but it is not yet "here," unless you're speaking of the temporal forms of the Kingdom, such as Christian nations, or unless you're speaking of the spiritual Kingdom, which is in our hearts.
Hebrews 12:2
looking to Jesus the pioneer and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.
Yes, Jesus is at the right hand of God in heaven. But he is not yet reigning here on the earth except in terms of his authority. He will reign on the earth when his Kingdom is fully present on the earth in its realized form. That is not yet. See above.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 For this we declare to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; 17 then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord.
I don't know how this is relevant to what we're talking about?
1 Corinthians 15:22-26 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
Jesus reigns presently in heaven, and rules over all heaven and over the earth as well. But he is not yet ruling in his Kingdom on earth because that Kingdom has not yet come--has not yet been realized. We are to pray, "Your Kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven." Presently, what is in heaven is not yet on the earth. The earth is still in gross rebellion against God and Jesus' Kingdom.
Luke 22:18
for I tell you that from now on I shall not drink of the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”
Exactly, the Kingdom of God has not yet come. That was my whole point.
John 19:29-30 Mounce
A jar full of sour wine was there, so they attached a sponge soaked in the sour wine to a stalk of hyssop and held it to his mouth. When he had taken the sour wine, Jesus said, “It is accomplished!” And he bowed his head and handed over his spirit.
Jesus' redemption was finished, but not the history of the Jewish Tribulation and the time for the Church to preach the Gospel to all nations. The Kingdom of God has not yet been realized, and we're warned not to accept any such claim until Jesus comes down from heaven with the clouds.
The Zechariah 14 chapter concludes with a vision of the future (as seen by Zechariah at the time of the writing of Zechariah 14), where the survivors among the nations will be required to come annually to Jerusalem to celebrate Sukkot, the Feast of Tabernacles. Those who do not come will be punished with no rain and with plague.

Christians do not celebrate Sukkot presently, and they will not be celebrating it in the future in Jerusalem. Sukkot was a first covenant requirement, but it is not a new covenant requirement.
This prophecy was given while the Law and its feasts were still in effect. So the feast is given as an allusion to something equivalent to it in the NT era when there are no feasts and no more covenant of Law. What it means is that the nations will finally have to recognize that Israel was preserved in the wilderness in order to inherit the Promised Land. In other words, the nations will finally have to recognize Israel's right to exist.

God would not give this prophecy in terms other than through the Law because at that time it was the Law that testified to Israel's final inheritance. But today, we know that the Law pointed to Christ, which it could not fully divulge until he had come.
 
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When Jesus ascended to the Father, The Father said -

`Sit at my right hand TILL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES YOUR FOOTSTOOL.` (Ps. 110: 1)

Has that happened yet? Has God the Father brought the nations to His Son for judgment?
 
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