Trump to designate antifa a 'major terrorist organization'

ThatRobGuy · 2025-09-18T16:07:26-0500

durangodawood said:
Is antifa even an "organization"? Seems more like an ideology.

Rose City Antifa

Homepage of Rose City Antifa.

rosecityantifa.org

They have a chapter structure and rules for forming a new chapter, as well as common symbolism, slogans, and organizing techniques, as well as having their name copywritten. Someone's clearly a decision maker somewhere in the mix.

Germany designates them as an "extreme-left" entity, and monitors them via their Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz).

Antifa (Germany) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

France just also recently broke up one of their groups (Jeune Garde Antifasciste)
On January 23, 2025, the Minister of the Interior, Bruno Retailleau, stated that his services were studying the administrative dissolution of the group.[20]

It was dissolved by the French government on the 12th of June 2025. [21]

durangodawood · 2025-09-18T16:26:19-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
https://torch-antifa.org/chapters/

Rose City Antifa

Homepage of Rose City Antifa.

rosecityantifa.org

They have a chapter structure and rules for forming a new chapter, as well as common symbolism, slogans, and organizing techniques, as well as having their name copywritten. Someone's clearly a decision maker somewhere in the mix.

Germany designates them as an "extreme-left" entity, and monitors them via their Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz).

Antifa (Germany) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

France just also recently broke up one of their groups (Jeune Garde Antifasciste)
On January 23, 2025, the Minister of the Interior, Bruno Retailleau, stated that his services were studying the administrative dissolution of the group.[20]

It was dissolved by the French government on the 12th of June 2025. [21]

I had no idea. A proper villain!

The Barbarian · 2025-09-18T16:34:45-0500

Gene2memE said:
That's not a law.

What law would allow the designation of antifa as a 'domestic terrorist organisation'?

And, what law that would allow such a designation under diagnostic criteria which would also not result in say, the Proud Boys, or the Three Percenters, or Patriot Prayer, or the Boogaloo Boys, or the Oath Keepers, or Resist Marxism as domestic terrorist organisations?

All of them need to be tossed into that designation. Problem is, "antifa" isn't actually an organization. It's like designating the mob that assaulted the Capitol on Jan 6 a terrorist organization. Terrorists, yes. Organized terrorists, mostly no. There may be local groups here or there called "antifa", but it's like declaring racists a terrorist organization. Mostly unorganized.

essentialsaltes · 2025-09-18T16:35:00-0500

I am Spartacus!

rambot · 2025-09-18T16:52:31-0500

GoldenBoy89 said:
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IT's like arguing there was no civil war cause they lost.

J6 was an EMBARRASSING attempt to influence and change the results of that election. They did SUCH a poor job of it that now their supporters are just saying "they weren't trying to".

It's

essentialsaltes · 2025-09-18T17:03:14-0500

rambot said:
J6 was an EMBARRASSING attempt to influence and change the results of that election. They did SUCH a poor job of it that now their supporters are just saying "they weren't trying to".

The violent ones were mostly antifa. Not sure why Trump pardoned them.

essentialsaltes said:
“The people that went there to express their views, to support Trump, were peaceful,” said Richard Baum, 61, an independent voter from Odessa, Tex. “The government implants were the violent ones: the FBI, the police people that were put in there, the antifa and BLM hired by George Soros; everybody knows that.”

Oompa Loompa · 2025-09-18T18:13:29-0500

seeking.IAM said:
If you were protesting, you were part of Antifa. See how simple that was? See how easily we are willing to give away freedom?

We have seen how the left is willing to take away the freedoms of others with violence.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-09-18T18:14:55-0500

rambot said:
I'm more inclined to say "See how much the right desired to take away our freedom?"

Freedom to put bullets in the neck of political opponents?

ThatRobGuy · 2025-09-18T18:17:18-0500

durangodawood said:
I had no idea. A proper villain!

From the looks of it, the way they operate seems to be not unlike the Hells Angels.

"we're a decentralized group of autonomous chapters" is usually just a legal hedge so that if one chapter does something really bad, the whole group doesn't go down with the ship.

durangodawood · 2025-09-18T20:50:02-0500

ThatRobGuy said:
From the looks of it, the way they operate seems to be not unlike the Hells Angels.

"we're a decentralized group of autonomous chapters" is usually just a legal hedge so that if one chapter does something really bad, the whole group doesn't go down with the ship.

Probably not a hedge. More likely just how they really think things should be organized.

ThatRobGuy · 2025-09-18T21:00:08-0500

durangodawood said:
Probably not a hedge. More likely just how they really think things should be organized.

Or "not organized" you mean...

I'm a firm believer that there's not such thing as a "leaderless movement", at least not if the movement is something to be taken seriously.

To think there could be a "leaderless movement" would be to believe that everyone's ideas are equally good, and everyone is equally effective at organizing and strategizing, which we know is false.

When you see nationwide coordinated protests happening at the same time, with the same slogans, same symbolism, etc... someone is organizing that... and whoever that person (or select few people) are, are the de facto leader(s).

If there were no leaders, these things wouldn't get off the ground because it would just be a bunch of people talking at the same time and arguing.

Whoever is saying "this is where we meet up, and at this time, and here's how you should dress, and your signs should say this", that's the leader.

Chesterton · 2025-09-18T21:03:20-0500

durangodawood said:
Probably not a hedge. More likely just how they really think things should be organized.

No, Rob is right. I worked for a criminal attorney who handled a big case involving the Bandidos MC. I learned a lot. They have written by-laws and such, but it's all intentionally and mysteriously decentralized.

durangodawood · 2025-09-18T21:57:30-0500

Chesterton said:
No, Rob is right. I worked for a criminal attorney who handled a big case involving the Bandidos MC. I learned a lot. They have written by-laws and such, but it's all intentionally and mysteriously decentralized.

No. Because your experience leads you to learn the Bandidos operate like the Hells Angels (or other mafias) does not mean antifa does. Antifa is a protest org and not a mafia enterprise. The incentives and personality types are totally different.

Servus · 2025-09-18T22:09:58-0500

durangodawood said:
Is antifa even an "organization"? Seems more like an ideology.

Antifa is a decentralized left-wing movement of autonomous groups and individuals.

Servus · 2025-09-18T22:17:31-0500

durangodawood said:
"Terrorist organization" means you can start exerting law enforcement against them.

In the USA we dont do that just for holding ideological views, even bad ones. Well, we dont do that yet..... Are you suggesting we should?

Views aren't the problem. Criminal activity is the problem. People can be antifa and anarchist all they want to. But when they start vandalizing and committing arsen etc to express those views, then they're committing acts of domestic terrorism.

durangodawood · 2025-09-18T22:28:18-0500

Servus said:
Antifa is a decentralized left-wing movement of autonomous groups and individuals.

Thats more my sense, even if there is some "formal" organization here and there.

Servus · 2025-09-18T22:54:04-0500

durangodawood said:
Thats more my sense, even if there is some "formal" organization here and there.

When I looked up Antifa organizations I got:

Rose City Antifa: Formed in Portland, Oregon, in 2007, it is considered one of the oldest U.S. groups to use the name "antifa".
Anti-Racist Action (ARA): A network of anti-fascist activists in the U.S. that was active between the 1980s and 2013.
Torch Antifa Network: Formed in 2013 by some of the more radical chapters of the Anti-Racist Action network.
NYC Antifa: A local chapter operating in New York City.
Puget Sound John Brown Gun Club: This group, active in the Seattle area, was described as an "anti-fascist, anti-racist, pro-worker community defense organization".
Anti-Fascist Action (AFA): A militant anti-fascist group that originated in the UK in the 1980s.

durangodawood · 2025-09-18T22:56:25-0500

Servus said:
When I looked up Antifa organizations I got:

Rose City Antifa: Formed in Portland, Oregon, in 2007, it is considered one of the oldest U.S. groups to use the name "antifa".

Anti-Racist Action (ARA): A network of anti-fascist activists in the U.S. that was active between the 1980s and 2013.

Torch Antifa Network: Formed in 2013 by some of the more radical chapters of the Anti-Racist Action network.

NYC Antifa: A local chapter operating in New York City.

Puget Sound John Brown Gun Club: This group, active in the Seattle area, was described as an "anti-fascist, anti-racist, pro-worker community defense organization".

Anti-Fascist Action (AFA): A militant anti-fascist group that originated in the UK in the 1980s.

Yes I do believe there are orgs. I just dont think that they represent most of the people who consider themselves antifa.

I was wrong about this earlier. Once in a while Rob comes up with some good material

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