Trump says ‘we have to beat the hell’ out of ‘radical left lunatics’ after Kirk killing

Servus · 2025-09-16T08:15:04-0500

rebornfree said:
Which is a good reason for him to be careful about what he says. Nearly all other politicians are. They know how they can get misunderstood and their words twisted.

Trumps's words, as posted by the OP, are extremely inflammatory and the last thing your country needs at this time. Something like "We should come together at this sad time, and learn to debate our differences peacefully. Violence is never acceptable." would be more Presidential.

See my post above.

rebornfree · 2025-09-16T08:19:27-0500

Servus said:
See my post above.

Okay I take your point. You think the media edited it. (Humorous illustration BTW. )

Servus · 2025-09-16T08:36:38-0500

rebornfree said:
Okay I take your point. You think the media edited it. (Humorous illustration BTW. )

I've known them to take the president's words out of context before. Like they're famous for it by now. That's why I usually want to watch a video that has his full speech at times like this, to get the full context.

Richard T · 2025-09-16T09:37:17-0500

Servus said:
Trump is just a flawed flash in the pan human like the rest of us. I think back to say Ronald Reagan who was president 37 years ago. And how he along with most of those involved with him politically, are long gone along with that whole era. Here today, gone tomorrow.

Reagan still has many followers but yes they are dying out. Trump has them too, but I imagine we will know if Trump has the same staying power by his overall success. If things go well, I suppose even his sons could run for President someday. If there are serious policy failures as iseems likely, what will fill the void for the GOP? Those who follow Trump and are close will be less attractive than Quayle. (maybe Rubio is the exception?) Rand Paul is one alternative that actually does stand up for his principled, libertarian beliefs.

essentialsaltes · 2025-09-16T10:10:53-0500

A2SG said:
Have you ever heard the old expression that goes "when all you have is a hammer, every problem is a nail"? That's Trump, and by extension MAGA in a nutshell. The only tool in the arsenal is "Blame the left!"

To be fair, Trump also has tariffs, but that's mainly for foreign policy.

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-09-16T11:55:11-0500

Servus said:
I'm blaming the media for grabbing choice words and leaving out context.

Like "I hate Mondays sometimes. Last Monday though I heard a stupid joke that gave me a laugh. I

Not the same at all.

The list of his inflammatory and dehumanizing remarks is long and indefensible. Why do you insist on excusing him?

Servus · 2025-09-16T11:59:57-0500

Akita Suggagaki said:
Not the same at all.

The list of his inflammatory and dehumanizing remarks is long and indefensible. Why do you insist on excusing him?

It's seven words joined to two other words out of who knows how long of a statement or speech. There's list of all the things Trump has said that have been taken out of context.

Say it aint so · 2025-09-16T12:17:43-0500

Unlike church shootings, Temple shootings, school shootings where you will hear the right say, "it's too soon, let's not politicize this". Given the death of Kirk they are making a heyday with the politicizing of his death.

VANCE: There is no unity with people who scream at children over their parents' politics. There is no unity with someone who lies about what Charlie Kirk said in order to excuse his murder. There is no unity with someone who harasses an innocent family the day after the father of that family lost a dear friend. There is no unity with the people who celebrate Charlie Kirk's assassination.

STEPHEN MILLER: With God is my witness, we are going to use every resource we have at the Department of Justice, Homeland Security and throughout this government to identify, disrupt, dismantle and destroy these networks, and make America safe again for the American people. It will happen, and we will do it in Charlie's name.

CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN · 2025-09-16T12:39:18-0500

Yarddog said:
Trump has always been an advocator of violence. He has lied and blamed the left for doing what he does to justify his actions

It seems like Trump supporters are blind to this.

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-09-16T13:24:22-0500

Servus said:
It's seven words joined to two other words out of who knows how long of a statement or speech. There's list of all the things Trump has said that have been taken out of context.

Context does not excuse nor justify.

Servus · 2025-09-16T13:55:02-0500

Akita Suggagaki said:
Context does not excuse nor justify.

Context clarifies. What all did Trump say along with ‘we have to beat the hell' and ‘radical left lunatics’? And in between 'we have to beat the hell' and ‘radical left lunatics’? Do you know? Did you listen to the whole thing? "we have to beat the hell"... "radical left lunatics" really isn't much to go by. The entire press conference was at least 4 hours and 18 minutes long.

As a sidenote: Trump looked plenty healthy standing outside for over 4 hours answering questions.

rebornfree · 2025-09-16T13:57:18-0500

Servus said:
I've known them to take the president's words out of context before. Like they're famous for it by now. That's why I usually want to watch a video that has his full speech at times like this, to get the full context.

Yes, that is good to get the context, but some of the things he's saying are divisive.

essentialsaltes · 2025-09-16T15:56:05-0500

Pam Bondi Shows Katy Tur Was Right on Trump Weaponizing Grief

Kirk’s death became instant fodder for partisanship. Katy Tur’s much-maligned question on MSNBC — whether President Donald Trump might use the assassination “as a justification for something bad” — was clumsy in its timing and drew harsh criticism, even from me.

But the events that followed suggest that while she was premature in asking about how it would play out in terms of policy, she has been proven absolutely correct in her premise.

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-09-16T17:44:39-0500

Servus said:
Context clarifies. What all did Trump say along with ‘we have to beat the hell' and ‘radical left lunatics’? And in between 'we have to beat the hell' and ‘radical left lunatics’? Do you know? Did you listen to the whole thing? "we have to beat the hell"... "radical left lunatics" really isn't much to go by. The entire press conference was at least 4 hours and 18 minutes long.

As a sidenote: Trump looked plenty healthy standing outside for over 4 hours answering questions.

Context does not help him.

Servus · 2025-09-16T17:59:10-0500

Akita Suggagaki said:
Context does not help him.

Sounds like you just want to condemn no matter what.

Akita Suggagaki · 2025-09-16T19:41:26-0500

Servus said:
Sounds like you just want to condemn no matter what.

Condemn? My point is that his rhetoric has demonstrated poor leadership at a critical moment.

Servus · 2025-09-16T22:08:30-0500

Akita Suggagaki said:
Condemn? My point is that his rhetoric has demonstrated poor leadership at a critical moment.

Okay, got it.

A2SG · 2025-09-16T22:27:44-0500

Servus said:
I've known them to take the president's words out of context before. Like they're famous for it by now. That's why I usually want to watch a video that has his full speech at times like this, to get the full context.

Okay, so make your point. What did Trump say, in context, that changes the meaning behind the quoted words? Did he blame the left for the killing of Kirk or didn't he? Was there some other words that, in context, put forth a more measured take on the event?

Show your work, don't just blame the media as a knee-jerk reaction.

-- A2SG, I guess blaming the media would be the other hammer in Trump's arsenal...not a very extensive toolbox there....

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