No it wasn't. The issue was if he was a natural born American citizen. Good grief he was voted in as president twice.
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Trump Orders Flags to Half-Staff for Charlie Kirk
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You know that the right has done more political violence than the left.
Maybe the hatred is getting to be too much cause you keep killing them..or slandering them and stuff.
I imagine you believe Republicans don't hate democrats?
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This wasn't just a heat of the moment irrational action. This was planned and premeditated. An irrational action would be if you came up to me and bumped me and I punched you in the face.
If someone killed my wife and then came up to me and said she deserved it would my reaction actually be irrational? Well, maybe if I took out a gun and killed them with it. That might be irrational. But me saying dumb things doesn't necessarily fit the bill. Me punching them in the face probably would be a very rational response in the heat of the moment.
An irrational statement often elicits an irrational response.
In this case Charlies murder can in no way be deemed simply an irrational response to a trigger. This was a planned event.
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I disagree! It’s not a race issue , it is a truthfulness issue. There is much evidence of his ties to Islam while he was presented as a Christian. Obama help create the controversy around his birth certificate by the initial stonewalling and still there are inconsistencies surrounding it. The Kenya issue was not about his race it was about his eligibility. I am not saying no one is racist some obviously are are but that was not the overriding problem. Racism is the rallying cry of many on the left.
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I think deranged and disturbed are better descriptions in both cases.
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Would not be shocked. A small minority of people can lash out horribly when they feel like their liberties or other ideological commitments are at stake.
We see this from both "left" and "right" people.
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Sure it wasn't.
Obama was born in Hawaii to an American mother. Either of those is enough to make him a natural born citizen of the USA.
His opponent was born in the Panama Canal Territory to an American mother. Only the latter made him a natural born citizen of the USA.
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Yep, it did happen. I posted about it here:
I’m voting for Trump because he’s a white man.
I see the immediate and most pressing issue as preserving the democratic process of free and fair elections for future generations by not allowing an autocratic cult takeover of government. We need to vote against Trump and for Harris to ensure that a government for the people and by the people...
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And here:
First Black Woman Lieutenant Governor Elected despite fierce opposition from Democrats.
But all of this other stuff with CRT (or whatever of the many labels its being promoted under)that promotes racism and segregation, the gender delusions that pretend there is no such thing as biological sex, taking parents out of schools, approving sexually explicit materials for school...
www.christianforums.com
We deleted and warned folks on this site referring to Michelle Obama as 'and ape in heels.' It was used by Republicans during and after his term:
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-379859670
Yeah, it happened. To deny it is to live in your own bubble of reality that does not exist.
I don't think it was good that Charlie Kirk was shot. It is a terrible thing to happen.
But if people point out that he is not a saint on social media, not a work site, I don't think they should be quickly fired.
Republicans celebrate Kirk's freedom of speech ring hollow when the Trump administration is putting a thumb down on the freedom of the press (ABC, CBS, NPR, PBS, suit against the Wall Street Journal, banning AP from the White House, and much more) and this is cheered by MAGA. 'Freedom of speech for me but not for thee' is what is happening in practice in this administration. That along side Trump's attacks on Harvard, Columbia and more are attacks on free speech.
Yes, poor Republicans. What have Dems been called? Names found on the Admin Announcement about unacceptable nicknames, like 'commies'. And according to Trump, Democrats (all) are the "enemy within". Others very recently called Democrats (all) "evil" and "can't be compromised with". From AI overview we have some quotes:
- On immigration: "Harris has imported criminal migrants from prisons and jails, insane asylums and mental institutions from all around the world, from Venezuela to the Congo" (Fact-checkers have debunked this claim).
- "They've done very bad things to this country. They are indeed the enemy from within": In reference to his political opponents, he claimed they had harmed the country.
Grant Cardone: Called Vice President Kamala Harris "the devil" and said she and her "pimp handlers will destroy our country".
- Sid Rosenberg: The conservative radio host referred to the entire Democratic Party as "a bunch of degenerates" and "Jew-haters and lowlifes".
- David Rem (Trump's childhood friend): Referred to Harris as "the devil" and "the Antichrist".
A Brief History of Trump’s Violent Remarks
Here are 40 instances in which the former president incited or praised violence against his fellow citizens.
At a campaign event on October 31, Trump said of former U.S. Representative Liz Cheney, “She’s a radical war hawk. Let’s put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrels shooting at her, okay? Let’s see how she feels about it ... when the guns are trained on her face.”
Regarding Charlie Kirk, he called for the execution of Biden on his show. I watched it this am.
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Yes, Charlie Kirk called for Joe Biden to receive the death penalty in July 2023, describing it as punishment for "crimes against America." During an episode of The Charlie Kirk Show, he stated: "I know what you're thinking, we've got to get Joe Biden out of the way so we can run against Kammy. Oh my goodness, is she beatable. ... [Biden] should be put in prison and/or given the death penalty for crimes against America."
The definition of 'celebrate' in regards to Charlie Kirk's death seems too fluid.
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Wow. He was not a decent fellow.
Of course he should have been free to spread his indecency, and challenged at every opportunity. But never by violence.
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Fact Check: did charlie kirk call for the death penalty for Biden
The analyses provided from multiple sources, including [1], [2], and [1], all conclude that there is no mention of Charlie Kirk calling for the death penal...
That was done with poorly done and obviously fake AI from MediaMatters. Watch for yourself. These are the times we live in.
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I can't find an archive of the Charlie Kirk Show that goes back that far to confirm whether or not he actually said that in the July 24, 2023 episode, but your AI "fact check" site appears to have only used two sources, both of which are just articles about Kirk's death, so I wouldn't exactly call that conclusive evidence that the Media Matters article is faked - especially since it dates all the way back to July of 2023 and was posted the same day that episode of Kirk's show supposedly aired.Fact Check: did charlie kirk call for the death penalty for Biden
The analyses provided from multiple sources, including [1], [2], and [1], all conclude that there is no mention of Charlie Kirk calling for the death penal...factually.co
That was done with poorly done and obviously fake AI from MediaMatters. Watch for yourself. These are the times we live in.
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...uses poorly done and obviously incorrect AI to decry "poorly done and obviously fake AI"... classicFact Check: did charlie kirk call for the death penalty for Biden
The analyses provided from multiple sources, including [1], [2], and [1], all conclude that there is no mention of Charlie Kirk calling for the death penal...
That was done with poorly done and obviously fake AI from MediaMatters. Watch for yourself. These are the times we live in.
Tell me, did you even bother to read your supposed proof or look at the two articles it cited? I doubt you did, because if you had, you'd have noticed that neither of them even broached the subject. Your AI bot didn't even look at the relevant articles.
Regarding whether or not this was fake, others commented on it at the time:
TREASON: Charlie Kirk calls for prison or death sentence for Biden
Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk is making inflammatory comments about President Biden that amount to stochastic terrorism.
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If you put the same question into Grok, it'll confirm that he said it. If you enter it as "joe biden" instead of just "biden", it'll even give some citations.
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You didn't have to search for the archive. I LINKED IT FOR YOU IN THE POST. What is going with people this week?
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I didn't even know Factually.com was AI. I thought it was a regular old website. Regardless, it's been spot on in the past.
I did better - I went straight to the source of the lie - MediaMatters.Tell me, did you even bother to read your supposed proof or look at the two articles it cited? I doubt you did, because if you had, you'd have noticed that neither of them even broached the subject. Your AI bot didn't even look at the relevant articles.
Regarding whether or not this was fake, others commented on it at the time:
TREASON: Charlie Kirk calls for prison or death sentence for Biden
Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk is making inflammatory comments about President Biden that amount to stochastic terrorism.
If you put the same question into Grok, it'll confirm that he said it. If you enter it as "joe biden" instead of just "biden", it'll even give some citations.
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You linked the article which just has the (claimed) AI-generated snippet. I was looking for the actual full show recording for that day, preferably somewhere hosted by Kirk or his team, so that I could compare it to the supposed fake. That's how you fact-check.
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