Trump Orders Flags to Half-Staff for Charlie Kirk

Postvieww · 2025-09-14T07:27:35-0500

iluvatar5150 said:
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Not a great list, but I didn't put much effort into it.

I'm actually struggling to think of anybody on the left who's died in the last several years, who would have been as remotely comparable to Kirk in terms of being both high-profile and confrontational. RBG and Carter were obviously high profile, but they weren't confrontational in public.

Even with these two examples can you honestly say this compares to the numerous joyous celebrations over Kirk’s death ? I am not sure the Ginsburg one actually qualifies. Neither of these people were murdered for political views so I see no real comparison to the events of today. But you did show 2 tasteless comments.

iluvatar5150 · 2025-09-14T08:03:22-0500

Postvieww said:
Even with these two examples can you honestly say this compares to the numerous joyous celebrations over Kirk’s death ?

No, I don’t, and that’s what I was trying to get at - the magnitude of the reaction over Kirk’s death is a function of his high-profile status, his confrontational style, and his controversial views. To make a good comparison, you’d need a death of somebody on the left with a similar profile; and I can’t think of anybody who’d even come close to fitting.

Heck, part of the problem the left has with organizing is that they don’t have many people trying to lead movements like this.

prodromos · 2025-09-14T08:19:30-0500

iluvatar5150 said:
Not a great list, but I didn't put much effort into it.

I'm actually struggling to think of anybody on the left who's died in the last several years, who would have been as remotely comparable to Kirk in terms of being both high-profile and confrontational. RBG and Carter were obviously high profile, but they weren't confrontational in public.

I remember a few leftists expressing their outrage at Ruth Bader Ginsberg at her death, for not having retired under Obama so that she could have been replaced by another leftist, instead of her passing away under the Trump administration and leaving the position open for a conservative.

wing2000 · 2025-09-14T09:26:04-0500

Postvieww said:
I did! Would you care to clarify exactly what you found disgusting?

...packaging a widow's grief, within 24-48 hours of her husband's horrendous death, and using it for political fund raising.

FreeinChrist · 2025-09-14T10:34:28-0500

rjs330 said:
This is what scares me from the left. That you would put it this way clearly shows what's in your heart. You should have said, "I think its pretty messed up that he was assassinated", and left it at that.

This statement along with your statements regarding rhe shooting of the Healthcare CEO, is clearly a support of the philosophy that violence is rhe corrective for any perceived injustices.

THIS is what the left is becoming.

The great divider was Obama. It started under his administration as the left went full speed into the great conspiracy of the great injustices. And now we have seen with the trans shooters, the shooting of the CEO and now Charlie.

The dominate dividing injustice conspiracies regarding:
1. The racial division including the injustice theory of white supremacy and systemic racism perpetuated by white people to oppress BIPOC people even to this day.
2. The the working class suppression theory of Marxism that the economy has been rigged to perpetuate the oppression of the working class.
3. The heteronormative oppression theory that the system is being used to facistically enforce traditional sexual mores and that rhe power is being used to oppress anyone who isn't heteronormative.
4. The oppression theory that our country is an imperialist colonialist country that was built upon and continues to strive to oppress based upon white western colonialism.

And the answer to all that oppression is to morally praise all violent reaction to those perceived injustices justices. We have seen it in these posts and in the leftist media.

No Trump is not going to unite our country because he cannot do so. Its an impossibility to unite with those who espouse such venom upon us. There is nothing he can to except call for civility which the left has now abandoned. This is something those on the left have to do among themselves. It is not anything a president can accomplish in the face of such radicalism. No man can accomplish this because the left perceives any and all opposition to their injustice theories as evidence of injustice and oppression. Until the left itself begins to realize what their radicalism has wrought nothing will change.

No, the great divider was not Obama. It was many on the right who reacted in horror at the idea of a black president and their racism came roaring out.

After the death of Kirk, many on the right showed their true selves. Trump said he had no interest in uniting the country, in contrast to Obama, Bush, and Clinton. Trump fails at that job, childishly calling the Dems a slur.
Right wingers in congress said terrible things, in contrast to Jefferies and other Democrat leaders. Right wingers on social media called for civil war on the Democrats and the Left.
Stewart Rhodes of the Proud Boys (and Jan. 6th seditionist) called on Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act and declare martial law and declare the political left as terrorists.
Stephen Miller, Trump aide, calls for the dismantling of the Democratic Party and structures.
Elon Musk calls the Democratic Party the "party of murder".

Even on this site, some members attacked folks on the left claiming our 'compatriots did this' and more.

While hollering for freedom of speech, folks on the right are working hard to dox any social media comments people made that they did not like so as to get them fired.

Far-right groups dox online critics after Charlie Kirk’s death

Right-wing activists are targeting teachers, workers for critical remarks on Charlie Kirk’s death.

www.aljazeera.com

A coordinated online doxxing campaign has emerged in the wake of right-wing activist Charlie Kirk’s killing, targeting academics, teachers, government employees and others who have posted critical remarks about him.

At least 15 people have been fired or suspended from their jobs after discussing the killing online, according to a Reuters tally on Saturday based on interviews, public statements and local press reports. The total includes journalists, academic workers and teachers.

It would seem that the right wants 'freedom of speech for me but not for thee.'

And there was more from the right:

The Far Right Is Already Blaming the Left For Charlie Kirk’s Shooting

The attack on the conservative activist Wednesday garnered an outpouring of rage online.

www.yahoo.com

“It’s a real treat to see all these Liberals condemn political violence now,” posted Katie Miller, the wife of White House deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller. “You called us Hitler. You called us Nazis. You called us Racists. You have blood on your hands.”

“It’s time for the Trump administration to shut down, defund, & prosecute every single Leftist organization,” tweeted far-right activist Laura Loomer. “If Charlie Kirk dies from his injuries, his life cannot be in vain. We must shut these lunatic leftists down. Once and for all.”

And there was so much more hatred and bias from the right. While they are pointing a finger at the Left, there are three fingers pointing back at them. They called for death for shooter.
Then a white male from a Republican gun toting family was arrested.

Here are a couple of meme or cartoons that make a point.

Most of the junk I have read from the right and their 'anger' (hatred) belongs in the toilet.

FreeinChrist · 2025-09-14T10:40:38-0500

I should mention that there is one Republican people should listen to:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/13/us/politics/trump-kirk-political-opponents.html

Gov. Spencer Cox of Utah, a Republican, took a strikingly different approach during the news conference where officials announced the arrest of a suspect on Friday. Mr. Cox asked for people to lower the political temperature and stay off social media.

“We can return violence with violence, we can return hate with hate, and that’s the problem with political violence — is it metastasizes,” he said. “Because we can always point the finger at the other side. And at some point, we have to find an off-ramp, or it’s going to get much, much worse.”

Postvieww · 2025-09-14T11:17:01-0500

FreeinChrist said:
No, the great divider was not Obama. It was the right who reacted in horror at the idea of a black president and their racism came roaring out.

False! I was no fan of Obama but the color of his skin had absolutely nothing to do with it. The cries of racism from the left is usually nothing pmore than a talking point in many cases used just to shut down debate.

FreeinChrist · 2025-09-14T11:22:17-0500

Postvieww said:
False! I was no fan of Obama but the color of his skin had absolutely nothing to do with it. The cries of racism from the left is usually nothing pmore than a talking point in many cases used just to shut down debate.

I could post many pictures of the Tea Party holding racist signs, but won't in this thread.

prodromos · 2025-09-14T12:54:28-0500

FreeinChrist said:
It would seem that the right wants 'freedom of speech for me but not for thee.'

Freedom of speech doesn't mean free of consequences.

FreeinChrist · 2025-09-14T13:03:35-0500

prodromos said:
Freedom of speech doesn't mean free of consequences.

For one side or all sides?

prodromos · 2025-09-14T13:29:28-0500

FreeinChrist said:
For one side or all sides?

All sides.

FreeinChrist · 2025-09-14T14:01:39-0500

prodromos said:
All sides.

Think about that.

wing2000 · 2025-09-14T14:25:25-0500

FreeinChrist said:
I should mention that there is one Republican people should listen to:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/13/us/politics/trump-kirk-political-opponents.html

Gov. Spencer Cox of Utah, a Republican, took a strikingly different approach during the news conference where officials announced the arrest of a suspect on Friday. Mr. Cox asked for people to lower the political temperature and stay off social media.

“We can return violence with violence, we can return hate with hate, and that’s the problem with political violence — is it metastasizes,” he said. “Because we can always point the finger at the other side. And at some point, we have to find an off-ramp, or it’s going to get much, much worse.”

Agreed. Governor Cox has demonstrated the moral leadership that we need in these times.

wing2000 · 2025-09-14T19:13:37-0500

The comments of Governor Cox....and President Trump:

ThatRobGuy · 2025-09-14T19:47:14-0500

wing2000 said:
The comments of Governor Cox....and President Trump:

It's pretty clear that Cox is trying to bring temperatures down, while Trump appears to be going in the other direction

Cox, to his credit, hasn't ever been afraid to "go against the grain" within his own party. One of his first acts as governor of Utah was to veto a bill that his Brother-in-Law (a state senator from his same party) sponsored. That had to make for an interesting Thanksgiving dinner...

He's someone I can see being a good presidential candidate in the future.

While I don't agree with him on everything...anyone who's willing to take the risk of ticking off their own party always wins a special place in my heart.

prodromos · 2025-09-14T22:20:56-0500

FreeinChrist said:
Think about that.

To what end? I condemn violent rhetoric wherever it comes from.

rjs330 · 2025-09-15T00:38:10-0500

FreeinChrist said:
No, the great divider was not Obama. It was many on the right who reacted in horror at the idea of a black president and their racism came roaring out.

Nope, didn't happen.

FreeinChrist said:
No, the great divider was not Obama. It was many on the right who reacted in horror at the idea of a black president and their racism came roaring out.

After the death of Kirk, many on the right showed their true selves. Trump said he had no interest in uniting the country, in contrast to Obama, Bush, and Clinton. Trump fails at that job, childishly calling the Dems a slur.
Right wingers in congress said terrible things, in contrast to Jefferies and other Democrat leaders. Right wingers on social media called for civil war on the Democrats and the Left.
Stewart Rhodes of the Proud Boys (and Jan. 6th seditionist) called on Trump to invoke the Insurrection Act and declare martial law and declare the political left as terrorists.
Stephen Miller, Trump aide, calls for the dismantling of the Democratic Party and structures.
Elon Musk calls the Democratic Party the "party of murder".

Even on this site, some members attacked folks on the left claiming our 'compatriots did this' and more.

While hollering for freedom of speech, folks on the right are working hard to dox any social media comments people made that they did not like so as to get them fired.

Far-right groups dox online critics after Charlie Kirk’s death

Right-wing activists are targeting teachers, workers for critical remarks on Charlie Kirk’s death.

www.aljazeera.com

A coordinated online doxxing campaign has emerged in the wake of right-wing activist Charlie Kirk’s killing, targeting academics, teachers, government employees and others who have posted critical remarks about him.

At least 15 people have been fired or suspended from their jobs after discussing the killing online, according to a Reuters tally on Saturday based on interviews, public statements and local press reports. The total includes journalists, academic workers and teachers.

It would seem that the right wants 'freedom of speech for me but not for thee.'

And there was more from the right:

The Far Right Is Already Blaming the Left For Charlie Kirk’s Shooting

The attack on the conservative activist Wednesday garnered an outpouring of rage online.

www.yahoo.com

“It’s a real treat to see all these Liberals condemn political violence now,” posted Katie Miller, the wife of White House deputy chief of staff Stephen Miller. “You called us Hitler. You called us Nazis. You called us Racists. You have blood on your hands.”

“It’s time for the Trump administration to shut down, defund, & prosecute every single Leftist organization,” tweeted far-right activist Laura Loomer. “If Charlie Kirk dies from his injuries, his life cannot be in vain. We must shut these lunatic leftists down. Once and for all.”

And there was so much more hatred and bias from the right. While they are pointing a finger at the Left, there are three fingers pointing back at them. They called for death for shooter.
Then a white male from a Republican gun toting family was arrested.

Here are a couple of meme or cartoons that make a point.

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Most of the junk I have read from the right and their 'anger' (hatred) belongs in the toilet.

Now you are upset over people.being fired for their views? Whatever happened to that point of view when people were being fired for disagreeing with trans ideology? Or girls being threatened when rhey didnt want boys in their spaces? Or maybe people being threatened or fired because they didn't support the BLM movement? Where was all your angst then?

A guy is DEAD. Killed by a leftist and you are upset because people got fired for posting celebrations over his death or saying things about how he deserved it in some fashion?

Sure some right wing folks are really angry. I dont blame them. And in their anger they've lashed out with some stupid thoughts. What did you expect? Calmness and reasonableness from some who havent really shown themselves to be reasonable in the first place? Like some of the shock jocks or Proud Boys?

Yes, the Democrats and leftists do have blood on their hands for the things they have said in calling us Hitler, Nazis, every phobe in the book, racists, bigots etc.
As I have heard more than once from the left that freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences. And we heard it in spades regarding Charlies death. I guess that was his consequence for using his freedom.of speech. And the firing of people was the consequence of using theirs.

Sorry but your angst rings far too hollow for me.

I dont think.ANYONE should be fired for not supporting a particular political or ideological point of view. Whether that be in support of abortion or in opposition to transgenderism.

I have no issues though in someone being let go for being so callous as to celebrate the assassination of a person you disagree with ideologically with in violation of the policies or code of conduct within those businesses. That's some real twisted sick stuff.

rambot · 2025-09-15T00:42:46-0500

Postvieww said:
False! I was no fan of Obama but the color of his skin had absolutely nothing to do with it. The cries of racism from the left is usually nothing pmore than a talking point in many cases used just to shut down debate.

All the left heard was "he's from. Kenya" and "I'm sure she's a muslim". I remember reading thr latter on christian forums though most posters were hesitant to go the Kenya route.

And then there was the large group of "I know he's American but if he just showed his birth certificate the debate would end"

Yeah. Race was ABSOLUTELY an issue for some with Obama.

rambot · 2025-09-15T00:45:48-0500

rjs330 said:
Nope, didn't happen.

Now you are upset over people.being fired for their views? Whatever happened to that point of view when people were being fired for disagreeing with trans ideology? Or girls being threatened when rhey didnt want boys in their spaces? Or maybe people being threatened or fired because they didn't support the BLM movement? Where was all your angst then?

A guy is DEAD. Killed by a leftist and you are upset because people got fired for posting celebrations over his death or saying things about how he deserved it in some fashion?

Sure some right wing folks are really angry. I dont blame them. And in their anger they've lashed out with some stupid thoughts. What did you expect? Calmness and reasonableness from some who havent really shown themselves to be reasonable in the first place? Like some of the shock jocks or Proud Boys?

You're saying that when people fet triggered you could expect some irrational action?

rjs330 · 2025-09-15T00:50:26-0500

FreeinChrist said:
I should mention that there is one Republican people should listen to:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/13/us/politics/trump-kirk-political-opponents.html

Gov. Spencer Cox of Utah, a Republican, took a strikingly different approach during the news conference where officials announced the arrest of a suspect on Friday. Mr. Cox asked for people to lower the political temperature and stay off social media.

“We can return violence with violence, we can return hate with hate, and that’s the problem with political violence — is it metastasizes,” he said. “Because we can always point the finger at the other side. And at some point, we have to find an off-ramp, or it’s going to get much, much worse.”

I also agree with him. Its something ive been saying for a long time. But too many on the left cant seem to help.themselves in their hatred for conservatives. And in Charlies death one of theirs gave out the hate written on a bullet.

The trans person did that at the Catholic School.

The dude in Minnesota did that.

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