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I could have been Charlie Kirk, and Charlie could have been me

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I grew up with Charlie Kirk. No, I don’t mean that we went to school together or lived on the same street as kids.

Charlie grew up in the suburbs outside Chicago, while I spent much of my life in Carroll County, roughly 20 miles west of Baltimore. Charlie was only a year my senior. He and I grew up in the same America. We were close to the same age when the cataclysmic September 11 attacks took place. We were around the same age when Barack Obama rose to sudden prominence and popularity and took the White House. We both watched the same conservative pundits, and both became involved with grassroots campaigns. We were both raised Christian, but did not really invest in our faith until early adulthood. We are both husbands and both fathers.

In some ways, I could have been Charlie, and Charlie could have been me.

I imagine that a lot of young men feel much the same way. In fact, I know that a lot of young men feel much the same way. Charlie was all of us, but he was also the best of us. Where the rest of us were prone to in-fighting and bickering, obsessed over our “original” ideas and fought to make sure that we got credit for them, lost our tempers easily and dismissed opposing viewpoints with a derisive wave of the hand, Charlie built coalitions and friendships, gladly gave credit to the great thinkers who shaped his worldview, and always invited others to sit down and talk, to have a conversation. He was all of us in the sense that each of us could see something of ourselves in him, but he was the best of us in that he could always inspire the rest of us, despite minute political disagreements, to want to be better men.

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I couldn't have been Charlie Kirk, because I didn't have the courage and ambition to get out there and engage the public the way he did to preach the Word, and speak out for traditional, conservative, Judeo-Christian values. But when I see these people celebrating his death, and saying he deserved it, and saying he preached hatred - those people would also be celebrating my death if I got shot. Because my views are generally in agreement with Charlie Kirk.

Maybe I might have disagreed with a few things he said, if we went point by point, or maybe I might have phrased something a little differently. But I generally agree with his views overall. Saying he used hate speech though, is a lie. He told the truth, as he saw it, and I see it (for the most part). When people get so happy because he was shot, they could be just as happy about most of us conservatives and Christians, because there are a lot of us who feel the same way he did. He was on the front lines, speaking for us, and he paid the price.

One thing that really bugs me is people telling me Charlie was "not a true Christian", which is a garbage statement. Let's take a look and examine that by the fruits Charlie has left behind. First off, he preached the Word. There's the if you're for us, you're not against us argument. Secondly, his death has inspired church attendance to increase, if only for the past week. And of course, he was killed for what he believed, and what he said. As his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was. Charlie Kirk is a martyr.
 
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