Trump calls Epstein disclosures battle ‘a Democrat hoax’

FreeinChrist · Sunday at 3:20 PM

Always in His Presence said:
By their own voices stating so in the link I already posted.

Allegations - gotcha-

What are the Facts? Three key people with first hand knowledge and flight logs

1. Trumps own Denial
2. Flight logs showing he was never at the PRIVATE Island (not like there is an airport there.
3. Maxwell's own dire4ct testimony
4. The victims own words.

***Note*** if we are not going to tick to facts then all the allegations on Jan 6 need to be withdrawn.

Fact - Trump is not releasing the files and calling them a hoax.
Fact - Trump complained that Epstein "stole" Virgina Guiffre and others from Mar -a-lago
Fact; Trump and Epstein were fast friends for years, and Trump was aware he like the girls young.
“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,” Trump told New York magazine in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.” He knew.

Fact: Michael Wolff interviewed Epstein and has hours of tapes of their conversation with much of it about Trump. They can be found on The Daily Beast. Also, Wolff has talked about it in interviews.
Fact: Maxwell is a convicted sex trafficker and known liar who could not be put up on the stand to defend herself and
Fact: Maxwell was rewarded for saying Trump was a gentleman with the unprecedented move of a sex trafficker to a minimum security prison.
Fact: We have Trump himself talking about kissing women and grabbing them by the privates without their consent
Fact: We have Trump himself bragging about going into the dressing rooms of the pageant contestants to "inspect" - his word from his mouth. He said they would be naked - his words.
Fact: Donald was found liable for sexual assault, which the judge described as rape as most understand it.
Fact: Donald has lied so many times and always denies any accusation, that he is not credible.

I'll stop there.

Always in His Presence · Sunday at 5:08 PM

FreeinChrist said:
I'll stop there

I would also. There is a difference between facts and biased opinions.

Fact - here in the United States people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Either you support that part of our court system or you dodn’t.

you can wiki a million innuendo’s and allegations - he is still innocent until PROVEN guilty. What you do not have - is proof.

FreeinChrist · Sunday at 7:42 PM

Always in His Presence said:
I would also. There is a difference between facts and biased opinions.

Fact - here in the United States people are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Either you support that part of our court system or you dodn’t.

And you accept then that Trump is a convicted felon (34 x's) and also was rightly liable for sexual assault which the judge said was rape as it is commonly understood?

You accept that Trump committed fraud repeatedly - as in Trump University, the Trump foundation and in his business reports for banks?

Do you accept that two Trump businesses, the Trump Corp. and Trump Payroll Corp., were found guilty of falsifying business records and of tax fraud?

I will repeat this:
Michael Wolff, author of Fire and Fury, also interviewed Epstein with plans for a biography. There are tapes. He says he was shown a picture(s) of Trump with topless girls who were young.

We know from T[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] himself that he would go into the dressing rooms of the Miss Teen Universe contestants and "inspect" the contestants, which is pretty lecherous.

We know that he was found liable for sexual assaut ("adjudicated rapist" per the judge).

We know he bragged about kissing women and grabbing their privates against their will because we heard his say it in the Entertainment Tonight video.

Always in His Presence said:
you can wiki a million innuendo’s and allegations - he is still innocent until PROVEN guilty. What you do not have - is proof.

There was proof of many things that Trump supporters seem to ignore.

Always in His Presence · Sunday at 9:16 PM

FreeinChrist said:
Fact - Trump is not releasing the files and calling them a hoax.

Fact: Tump doesn’t have the authority to release the files. They are still subject to legal constraints such as privacy laws. It isn’t his sole call.

FreeinChrist said:
Fact - Trump complained that Epstein "stole" Virgina Guiffre and others from Mar -a-lago

Yes, he didn’t like Epstein stealing his employees and afterwards banned Epstein for life for hitting on under age girls - let’s use all the facts

FreeinChrist said:
Fact; Trump and Epstein were fast friends for years, and Trump was aware he like the girls young.
“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,” Trump told New York magazine in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.” He knew.

correct - and it ended with Trump banning him for life as noted above. The friendship ended

FreeinChrist said:
Fact: Michael Wolff interviewed Epstein and has hours of tapes of their conversation with much of it about Trump. They can be found on The Daily Beast. Also, Wolff has talked about it in interviews.

Wow, they spoke about Trump - was thia before or after Trump banned him?

FreeinChrist said:
Fact: Maxwell is a convicted sex trafficker and known liar who could not be put up on the stand to defend herself and

Incorrect: from Grok. √Ghislaine Maxwell testified under oath multiple times in relation to Jeffrey Epstein’s cases. She was deposed in 2016 in a defamation lawsuit brought by Virginia Giuffre against Maxwell, where she gave sworn testimony denying allegations of facilitating or participating in Epstein’s abuse. Transcripts from those depositions, which were later unsealed, showed Maxwell being questioned about her role in recruiting girls for Epstein. Additionally, Maxwell testified under oath during her own criminal trial in 2021,

FreeinChrist said:
Fact: Maxwell was rewarded for saying Trump was a gentleman with the unprecedented move of a sex trafficker to a minimum security prison.

fact that is completely unsubstantiated.

FreeinChrist said:
Fact: We have Trump himself talking about kissing women and grabbing them by the privates without their consent

Fact that has nothing to do with the Epstein files

FreeinChrist said:
Fact: We have Trump himself bragging about going into the dressing rooms of the pageant contestants to "inspect" - his word from his mouth. He said they would be naked - his words.

Fact that has nothing to do with the Epstein files

FreeinChrist said:
Fact: Donald was found liable for sexual assault, which the judge described as rape as most understand it.
Fact: Donald has lied so many times and always denies any accusation, that he is not credible.

Fact that has nothing to do with the Epstein files

FreeinChrist said:
I'll stop there.

I would too

FaithT · Sunday at 9:57 PM

But didn’t they redact everything about Trump?

FreeinChrist · Sunday at 10:13 PM

Always in His Presence said:
Fact: Tump doesn’t have the authority to release the files. They are still subject to legal constraints such as privacy laws. It isn’t his sole call.

Actually he does have authority to release files like he did with the JFK files and MLK files, though not the Grand Jury testimony transcripts.
Spenser Kuvin, who represented the victims of Epstein in his first trial said there was a great deal that could be released.
You can find his interview on you tube on the Legal AF, Michael Popok's (also an attorney) channel.

Always in His Presence said:
Yes, he didn’t like Epstein stealing his employees and afterwards banned Epstein for life for hitting on under age girls - let’s use all the facts

Yeah, he 'stole' Virgina Guiffre in 2000, which is when she worked there but Epstein did not get 'kicked out" until 2007,. He referred to Epstein as a terrific guy after Guiffre worked there.

Always in His Presence said:
correct - and it ended with Trump banning him for life as noted above. The friendship ended

Wow, they spoke about Trump - was thia before or after Trump banned him?

Incorrect: from Grok. √Ghislaine Maxwell testified under oath multiple times in relation to Jeffrey Epstein’s cases. She was deposed in 2016 in a defamation lawsuit brought by Virginia Giuffre against Maxwell, where she gave sworn testimony denying allegations of facilitating or participating in Epstein’s abuse. Transcripts from those depositions, which were later unsealed, showed Maxwell being questioned about her role in recruiting girls for Epstein. Additionally, Maxwell testified under oath during her own criminal trial in 2021,

She did not testify in her trial for sex trafficking in 2001. She was regarded as not credible, probably for her depositions earlier.
While she denied facilitating or participating in Epstein's abuse, the victims overwhelmingly said different.

Always in His Presence said:
fact that is completely unsubstantiated.

Oh, right.....like she was not moved to a lower security prison dubbed Club Fed? Even though it totally went against
the Bureau of Prisons' policy?
It was VERY questionable as no other sex traffickers were allowed to be moved to such a prison. But she is special, She talks to Trump's former personal lawyer and within days she gets moved?

I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

Always in His Presence said:
Fact that has nothing to do with the Epstein files

Fact that has nothing to do with the Epstein files

Fact that has nothing to do with the Epstein files

Doesn't matter. It shows the proclivities of Trump, and really supports why Trump would be such a friend to Epstein for so long.

They didn't part because of Epstein stealing girls. Per Epstein, it was very much about a mansion Epstein wanted to buy, but when he asked Trump about the pool, Trump went around him and bought it. And he bought it for a very high price which Epstein said Trump could not afford. Then Trump sold it to a Russian oligarch for a huge profit. Smacks of money laundering.

Trump biographer claims president’s ‘betrayal’ is real reason for falling out with Epstein

“There’s something about these guys that nothing rouses them so much as a real estate betrayal."

www.al.com

In 2004, according to Wolff, Epstein believed he was the high bidder on a Palm Beach, Florida, house Epstein offered to buy for $36 million.

Epstein, who died by suicide in 2019 in a federal prison in New York after being indicted on federal sex trafficking charges, took Trump around to see the home to help him about moving the house’s swimming pool.

“Trump, thereupon, went around Epstein’s back and bid $40 million for the house, and got the property” Wolff claimed.

Epstein, who was “deeply involved with Trump’s scattered finances” knew Trump did not have that kind of money to make the purchase, Wolff alleged.

Epstein believed the $40 million actually came from Dmitry Rybolovlev, a Russian oligarch.

“Less than two years later, this same house that Trump had bought for $40 million was sold for $95 million and it was, in fact, sold to Mr. Rybolovlev,” Wolff said.

“This is all a red flag for money laundering,” the biographer said.

IMHO, he is despicable.

FaithT · Sunday at 10:22 PM

FreeinChrist said:
Actually he does have authority to release files like he did with the JFK files and MLK files, though not the Grand Jury testimony transcripts.
Spenser Kuvin, who represented the victims of Epstein in his first trial said there was a great deal that could be released.
You can find his interview on you tube on the Legal AF, Michael Popok's (also an attorney) channel.

Yeah, he 'stole' Virgina Guiffre in 2000, which is when she worked there but Epstein did not get 'kicked out" until 2007,. He referred to Epstein as a terrific guy after Guiffre worked there.

She did not testify in her trial for sex trafficking in 2001. She was regarded as not credible, probably for her depositions earlier.
While she denied facilitating or participating in Epstein's abuse, the victims overwhelmingly said different.

Oh, right.....like she was not moved to a lower security prison dubbed Club Fed? Even though it totally went against
the Bureau of Prisons' policy?
It was VERY questionable as no other sex traffickers were allowed to be moved to such a prison. But she is special, She talks to Trump's former personal lawyer and within days she gets moved?

I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

Doesn't matter. It shows the proclivities of Trump, and really supports why Trump would be such a friend to Epstein for so long.

They didn't part because of Epstein stealing girls. Per Epstein, it was very much about a mansion Epstein wanted to buy, but when he asked Trump about the pool, Trump went around him and bought it. And he bought it for a very high price which Epstein said Trump could not afford. Then Trump sold it to a Russian oligarch for a huge profit. Smacks of money laundering.

Trump biographer claims president’s ‘betrayal’ is real reason for falling out with Epstein

“There’s something about these guys that nothing rouses them so much as a real estate betrayal."

www.al.com

In 2004, according to Wolff, Epstein believed he was the high bidder on a Palm Beach, Florida, house Epstein offered to buy for $36 million.
Epstein, who died by suicide in 2019 in a federal prison in New York after being indicted on federal sex trafficking charges, took Trump around to see the home to help him about moving the house’s swimming pool.
“Trump, thereupon, went around Epstein’s back and bid $40 million for the house, and got the property” Wolff claimed.
Epstein, who was “deeply involved with Trump’s scattered finances” knew Trump did not have that kind of money to make the purchase, Wolff alleged.
Epstein believed the $40 million actually came from Dmitry Rybolovlev, a Russian oligarch.
“Less than two years later, this same house that Trump had bought for $40 million was sold for $95 million and it was, in fact, sold to Mr. Rybolovlev,” Wolff said.
“This is all a red flag for money laundering,” the biographer said.

IMHO, he is despicable.

Let’s not forget Trump saying something about since he‘s the President he can do anything he wants.

perplexed · Monday at 12:09 AM

It is not a "fact" that Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar a Lago for being creepy with underage girls, it is only a verified fact that Epstein stopped being a Member

It is silly to whine about people attacking Trump without trial if you attacked Biden without a trial

Say it aint so · Monday at 12:44 AM

Always in His Presence said:
Fact: Tump doesn’t have the authority to release the files. They are still subject to legal constraints such as privacy laws. It isn’t his sole call.

Well that's odd. He has no problem ignoring the courts when it's not about the Epstein files.

Say it aint so · Monday at 1:00 AM

Trump et al when it comes to the Epstein files are again being hoisted by their own petard. Trump made claims of intent, and is now backing from those intents like a crab backing away from a pot of boiling water. Kash Patel now current FBI head and second in command pledged to get to the bottom of it. Now they're both quiet as church mouses. Truth be told every action that benefit of Epstein et al has been by Trump or Trump adjacent.

Who gave Epstein the illegal non prosecutorial sweetheart deal? Future Trump admin Alex Acosta.
What State AG did not prosecute Epstein for crimes against minors in that state of Florida? Now AG Pam Bondi.
When the state of SDNY AG convicts Epstein of the charges Bondi didn't file, what becomes of him? Fired by Trump.
When Trump DOJ officials interviews Ghislaine Maxwell what becomes of that?
She is released to a minimum security that no one facing her sentencing would have ever received.
When Congress comes close to a discharge petition to release the files what does Trump do?
He threatens all Republicans exhorting doing so as a hostile act against him.

Where there is smoke there is fire.

DaisyDay · Monday at 9:37 AM

Servus said:
Whatever the excuse is, the Democrats did not want to release them. They had ample opportunity and refused.

Except that the Democrats did release a tranche of documents, including names, back in January after the judge unsealed them.

List of Jeffrey Epstein's associates named in lawsuit can be unsealed, judge rules. Here are details on the document release.

The list of names could include Epstein's accused co-conspirators and others named in a settled lawsuit against Ghislaine Maxwell.

www.cbsnews.com

Third batch of Epstein documents unsealed in ongoing release of court filings

The new Jeffrey Epstein-related documents add to a trove of names of people connected to the investigation — most of whom have not been accused of any wrongdoing.

www.cbsnews.com

Now Trump's people are re-releasing the same documents and proclaiming themselves to be super transparent.

Always in His Presence · Monday at 9:54 AM

FreeinChrist said:
Doesn't matter. It shows the proclivities of Trump, and really supports why Trump would be such a friend to Epstein for so long.

There it is - a person - even Trump is not guilty of a crime based on his perceived proclivities - this is the United Stated - not some authoritarian dictatorship with gulags.

A person is found guilty after charges are filed - a trial is held and THEN judication.

Trumps 34 convictions are waved like a flag of victory and you support the courts decision 100% - as you should - but will the same people support the court 100% if the convictions are overturned on appeal? I sincerely doubt. it.

As of today - the President is not guilty of anything having to do with Epstein - if actual substantiated facts show otherwise, I will be the first to recognize the courts verdict. Until then, even the President is presumed innocent.

And that is a fact.

Always in His Presence · Monday at 9:59 AM

perplexed said:
It is not a "fact" that Trump kicked Epstein out of Mar a Lago for being creepy with underage girls, it is only a verified fact that Epstein stopped being a Member

That is not correct:
Yes, Donald Trump banned Jeffrey Epstein from Mar-a-Lago. According to Trump, the fallout occurred after Epstein allegedly recruited young women working at the resort’s spa, including Virginia Giuffre, who later became a key accuser in Epstein’s sex trafficking case.

perplexed said:
It is silly to whine about people attacking Trump without trial if you attacked Biden without a trial

Perhaps both sides should top?

FreeinChrist · Monday at 10:14 AM

Always in His Presence said:
There it is - a person - even Trump is not guilty of a crime based on his perceived proclivities - this is the United Stated - not some authoritarian dictatorship with gulags.

A person is found guilty after charges are filed - a trial is held and THEN judication.

Trumps 34 convictions are waved like a flag of victory and you support the courts decision 100% - as you should - but will the same people support the court 100% if the convictions are overturned on appeal? I sincerely doubt. it.

As of today - the President is not guilty of anything having to do with Epstein - if actual substantiated facts show otherwise, I will be the first to recognize the courts verdict. Until then, even the President is presumed innocent.

And that is a fact.

Did I declare he was guilty yet of pedophilia with Epstein? I wrote it is possible, and I tend to find it likely based on his behaviors, his own comments about beauty contestants, about women as already pointed out, and a court finding him liable for sexual assault.

I find it odd that many of his supporters are blind or excuse his many cases of fraud (as determined by court), tax cheating (as determined by a court), and his 34 felonious convictions (as determined by a court). The many images of Trump and Epstein together , that Trump KNEW he liked them young, and how they both started modeling agencies for young women is so questionable.

Can you admit anything negative about Trump?

Always in His Presence · Monday at 10:18 AM

FreeinChrist said:
Can you admit anything negative about Trump?

Sure I can - I already admitted he was convicted of 34 felony counts - did you miss that.
I already said he is his own worst enemy - did you miss that?
I already said he was not my first choice, IOW I wanted someone else - did you miss that?
I've already said he's rude and unmannerly and wish he would just shut up at times - Did you miss that?
I've already said he is a womanizer (so are many other Presidents).

I answered freely -
Can you admit anything positive about Trump?

DaisyDay · Monday at 11:12 AM

Always in His Presence said:
Can you admit anything positive about Trump?

He's large.
He is very entertaining.
He has been effective at border control.
He takes good care of his friends.
He is good to his children, at least materially.
He is innovative.
He got his bill passed.

Always in His Presence · Monday at 12:31 PM

DaisyDay said:
He's large.
He is very entertaining.
He has been effective at border control.
He takes good care of his friends.
He is good to his children, at least materially.
He is innovative.
He got his bill passed.

Thank you -

I'll wait for the person I asked the question to...

DaisyDay · Monday at 12:44 PM

Always in His Presence said:
Thank you -

I'll wait for the person I asked the question to...

There's a separate function for private conversations....

camille70 · Monday at 1:42 PM

Johnson backs off claim that Trump was an ‘FBI informant’ in Epstein case

On Sunday, his office released a statement modifying that claim.

“The Speaker is reiterating what the victims’ attorney said, which is that Donald Trump — who kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago — was the only one more than a decade ago willing to help prosecutors expose Epstein for being a disgusting child predator,” the statement from Johnson’s office read.

Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Kentucky), a Republican who is a co-sponsor of the proposed legislation, said Sunday that he didn’t know whether Trump was an FBI informant.

“The lawyers for the victim said that Donald Trump had been helpful in 2009 in their case by giving them information. But being an informant implies some formal connection and ongoing relationship with the FBI,” Massie said on ABC’s “This Week.” “I think the speaker needs to clarify that. And if it’s a hoax, why was Donald Trump an informant to a hoax?”

https://wapo.st/46erJUZ

Always in His Presence · Monday at 1:43 PM

DaisyDay said:
There's a separate function for private conversations....

It was not asked privately - why should the response be private and why are you interjecting yourself into this?

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