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The Baptism of the Holy Spirit in Acts 2
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And here is what Acts 1:5 says , and anyone can always check what. I have written and. will answer any questions
you may have !!
And this is what Acts 1:5 is saying thru LUKE , as the Holy Spirit had LUKE write !!
FOR // HOTI , is a CONJUNCATION.
#2 JOHN. // IONNNES , is in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the Singular
# 3. TRULY. // MEN , is a Junnactive Partcle
# 4 BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO , is in the INDICATIVE MOOD , and that means you better believe it , in the ACTIVE VOICE. ,
Christ is behind what you are reading , and in. the INDICATIVE MOOD and this MOOD , means you better believe it
in. the Singular
# 5 WITH WATER // HYDOR , in. the Dative Case , in. the Singular , is a Neuter , meaning Male and Female
# 6 BUT // DE , is. a CONJUNCATION
# 7 YE. // HYMEIS. , is a PRESONAL POSSESSEIVE PRONOUN , in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in the Plural
# 8 SHALL BE BAPTIZED // is a FUTURE TENSE , is a Passive Voice , in the INDICATIVE MOOD , and. it means you
better believe it , in. the Plural
# 9 WITH // EN , is a PREPOSITION
# 10 THE HOLY // HAGIOS , in the Dative Case , is Singular in the Neuter , meaning Male and Female
# 11 SPIRIT // PNEUMA. , in the DATIVE CASE , is Singular in the NEUTER. , meaning Male and Female
# 12 NOT // is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICILE NEGATIVE , means , notttttt. many days hence
# 13 MANY // is in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in the Plural
# 14 DAYS // HEMERA. , is. an ACCUSATIVE CASE , is a Plural
# 15. HENCE // META. , is a PREPOSITION
And this verse is ALL SAYING is that WATER BAPTISM. is going to disappear and ONLY BAPTISM BY HOLY SPIRIT
WILL REIGN. !!
Have you ever wondered why Jesus was WATER BAPTIZED ??
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It is in the aspect that baptismo - is an immersion. Again, from a different doctrinal stance from yours.
Remember in John 20:21 So Jesus said to them again, “Peace to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you.” 22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
Then they were told to wait for the promise of the Father - approximately two years later the Holy Spirit descended like tongues of fire on the 120
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Your breaking it down word for word and adding the clause makes no cognitive sense in the fact that it is too much to address. - just post the verse in plain language and we can talk.
Acts 1:5 5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”
John's baptism was one of repentance - he baptized Jesus because it was an answer to prophesy
Matt 3:13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to John at the Jordan to be baptized by him. 14 And John tried to prevent Him, saying, “I need to be baptized by You, and are You coming to me?”
15 But Jesus answered and said to him, “Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he allowed Him.
The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is an event subsequent to being baptized in water.
Acts 19:And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples 2 he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”
So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.” 3 And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?” So they said, “Into John’s baptism.” 4 Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied. 7 Now the men were about twelve in all.
Notice - they had already been baptized in water (John's baptism), then they were subsequently baptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus, hands were laid on them and the Spirit came upon them.
Then look here also:
Acts 11:14 14 who will tell you words by which you and all your household will be saved.’ 15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, as upon us at the beginning. 16 Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, ‘John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’
I would be happy to further discuss if you would extend the courtesy to do so in plain language and complete sentences.
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Of course it is. Baptism, by definition, involves water.
The only time it doesn't it is used analogically, that is why the phrase "baptism with the Holy Spirit" is provocative.
If I say I'm going to take a bath, water is always implied. I would have to specifically provide additional context to show I am speaking of "bath" in some other way.
Baptism is a washing. People wash with water. It requires specific additional context to show baptism being used in some other way, that is why when "baptism with the Holy Spirit" is mentined, it's specifically mentioned. Nobody has to say "water baptism" because that's redundant. When the eunuch saw water he said, "Look, water, what prevents me from being baptized?" He didn't say "what prevents me from being water baptized?" That'd be silly.
Don't force your doctrines onto the text. Approach the text with honesty and objectivity--how would a first century audience hear and read these words?
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Notice. Baptized with water. Separate from baptized with the Holy Spirit
And you please do likewise.
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And you. can not read what I write and not UPSET , but is best THAT I back away and I. use English and Greek
words with Case , Moods and Tenses to prove my points. !!
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But I. can and did read what your wrote - I was not upset - The English and Greek both do not support the point you were attempting to make.
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Sure, because John is introducing an idea that is radical--baptism that doesn't involve water, "with the Holy Spirit and with fire".
Again, I'm asking you to look at this objectively.
Of course. I'm not introducing anything. I'm appealing to the historical and linguistic context of the time and text.
We know that the basic meaning of "baptism" in Greek refers to washing, because that's how the word is consistently used.
Judaism doesn't have a religious practice called "baptism", but the Jewish practices of ritual washing, from full body immersions in a mikveh to the pouring of water on the hands, to the washing of objects--those are all referred to as "baptism". Because they are "washings".
The ordinary meaning of "baptism" involves water. In the same way that the English word "wash" or "bath" infers water. I don't need to say "wash with water" or "bathe with water", if I simply say "I'm going to wash my car" or "I'm giving my dog a bath" we all know what that means without me explicitly mentioning water.
So why does John say "I baptize you with water"? Because the following thing he says is that the Messiah will "baptize with the Holy Spirit and with fire"--it's mentioned explicitly for the sake of the contrast. Notice that in all other cases we don't have to have "with water" mentioned. When Jesus comes into the Jordan and tells John to baptize Him, He doesn't have to specify "with water", because it's superfluous. When we read that John was going around baptizing people, we don't have to have "with water" explicitly mentioned, because "baptism" is enough information. John isn't taking mud from the bottom of the Jordan River, he's using water.
Are you aware of any examples of "baptism" being used, without any qualifying information, where it is obvious that it doesn't involve water? Not just in the Bible, I mean anywhere, at all, in the entirety of Greek usage throughout the ancient world.
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