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Jesus & Social Justice
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ViaCrucis
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It's not even a question. Social justice is simply part of what Christianity is.
It requires a radical redefinition of Christianity to get something else.
I'm a Lutheran. Dr. Luther once said that the Christian lives by faith in Christ and by love of neighbor. These two things comprise the entire Christian existence. We can't have one without the other.
St. James tells us that faith without works is dead.
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Not really. It is something each person should do.
Check out Micah 6:8
Mic 6:8
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
As a person of God, we are required to be just and love mercy. That would include responding when we see inequities, and mistreatment.
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If there is one thing this site has shown me it is that only faith in Christ is important. Being decent to other people is purely optional.
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It is unfortunate if that is the impression you got.
True faith is shown in the fruit people show, and how they act.
Gal 5:22
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
That kindness and goodness would be shown in how we treat other people and if we care about their circumstances and if we treat them fairly.
Seems to be a challenge these days.
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Another word for Justice is Righteousness.
There are two kinds of righteousness: Righteousness Coram Deo, that's the imputed righteousness which justifies; and Righteous Coram Mundus, that's the righteousness extended toward others.
The Christian is called to exhibit Righteousness, to live righteously. To live a godly life. That life is a life lived in our vocations toward our neighbors.
Do you disagree with this?
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Justice = dike, what is right, just; execution of a sentence, punishment, vegeance (2 Th 1:9, Jude 7, Ac 28:4)
Righteousness = dikaioslune, diakaioma, character or quality of being right or just (Ro 3:25, 26, Mt 5:6, Mt 3:15, 6:1, 33)
Probably, just without all the Latin.
The imputed righteousness (dikaiosis) is the righteousness of Christ reckoned through faith to the born again, as a result of justification (sentence of acquittal, pronouncement of sinlessness, by remittal of sin, through faith in the person and atoning work of Christ).
The rIghteousness extended (dikaiosune) is our right action.
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Google defines...
Social justice is not justice at all if it is unjust to take money from someone and give it to someone else, and it is unjust for some to have privilege and others not.
Notice what Jesus said to the rich young ruler.
Jesus didn't say, "Social justice! Strip him of his title and give it to someone else! Take all of his possessions and redistribute them!" He left it in the hands of the rich young ruler to do right by his fellow man by choice, not by force.
By the way, forcibly taking something from someone to give to someone else is theft.
- Social justice as justice in terms of the distribution of wealth, opportunities, and privileges within a society.
- Distribution as the action of sharing something out among a number of recipients.
- Wealth as an abundance of valuable possessions or money.
- Opportunity as a set of circumstances that make it possible to do something.
- Privilege as a special right, advantage, or immunity granted or available only to a particular person or group.
- Society as the aggregate of people living together in a more or less ordered community.
- Distribution as the action of sharing something out among a number of recipients.
Social justice is not justice at all if it is unjust to take money from someone and give it to someone else, and it is unjust for some to have privilege and others not.
Notice what Jesus said to the rich young ruler.
Matthew 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Jesus didn't say, "Social justice! Strip him of his title and give it to someone else! Take all of his possessions and redistribute them!" He left it in the hands of the rich young ruler to do right by his fellow man by choice, not by force.
By the way, forcibly taking something from someone to give to someone else is theft.
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The difference between justice and righteousness is semantics.
Righteousness is a Germanic-based word; Justice is a Latin-based word.
There's no distinction between the two in Hebrew and Greek. Biblically speaking, justice and righteousness are identical.
-CryptoLutheran
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If it is unjust to have money transferred from one person to another, then every time you make a purchase it is an unjust act, every time you pay the bills, every tax, every purchase, every time an employer pays their employees.
It would also mean that God is unjust, since God proscribed literal wealth redistribution in many different ways in His Torah. From the tithe, to various forms of monetary compensation. The Jubilee, too, must be considered utterly unjust as every Jubilee it was required that ownership of property was returned to the original owners, all debts were ended, and slaves received manumission.
Are you sure you want to argue that transferring money from one person to another is unjust?
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Theft, as in the commandment (Exodus 20:15 Thou shalt not steal). It is unjust to steal.
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Bold of you to accuse God of commanding theft. Deuteronomy 14:28-29
So, again, are you sure this is the argument you want to be making?
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You're talking about giving of your own free will. I'm talking about social justice being theft if it is taken without permission; i.e. not given. If social justice is taking then it is theft, which is against the law of God. That was the point. The other point made was that Jesus didn't take the rich young ruler's possessions, He asked him to give it of his own free will.
- Giving: freely transfer the possession of (something) to (someone); hand over to.
- Theft: the action or crime of stealing.
- Stealing: the action or offense of taking another person's property without permission or legal right and without intending to return it; theft.
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