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Why are all these leading Democrats suddenly facing mortgage fraud charges? Trump's retribution guy at the Federal Housing Finance Agency

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Read the indictment.

It isn't over yet.
Or maybe in terms of award, it is.

All that lawfare served to guarantee him the White House.
You'd think they would figure that out. . .but their darkened hearts blind them.
The more they try to undo him, the more they drive him to success and themselves into the wilderness.
They may well remain there for a generation.
 
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Or maybe in terms of award, it is.
The fat lady hasn't sung.
All that lawfare served to guarantee him the White House.
You'd think they would figure that out. . .but their darkened hearts blind them.
The more they try to undo him, the more they drive him to success and themselves into the wilderness.
They may well remain there for a generation.
That is quite fantastical.
 
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They violated the law.
We’re supposed to wait until a person is indicted, tried and convicted before passing such judgment, (or so I have been told).
 
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Why are all these leading Democrats suddenly facing mortgage fraud charges? Guess who’s behind it

[Adam Schiff, Letitia James, and now Lisa Cook.]

What gets me, and should get you, is the flimsiness of these accusations despite how loudly they’ve been bruited about on the MAGA right as though they’re signals of profound moral turpitude on the part of the targets, and how they all originated in the Federal Housing Finance Agency, which is led by Trump acolyte and sycophant William J. Pulte, in private life a big homebuilder.

The important question, in the view of Adam Levitin of Georgetown Law, is who is driving these investigations and levying these accusations, and whether they reflect an “enemies list” Pulte has compiled on Donald Trump’s behalf. I asked the FHFA to respond to Levitin’s questions, but received no response.

...none of the public accusations from the FHFA specify what, if any, financial advantages were received by the targets.

And it’s unlikely that they’re the result of random audits of FHFA loans, as Levitin observed in relation to the Cook case.

“No one ever goes back and examines loan applications on performing loans for occupancy fraud; that would entail expenses for no benefit,” he wrote. “Instead, the only way anyone would have noticed a problem with Cook’s loan application is that Pulte, as head of FHFA, directed Fannie or Freddie to pull her application. That is unheard of.”

[In Schiff's case, we have an FHFA memo that says as much. The order came from one of the IGs Trump installed after firing most of them.]

The Fannie Mae memo says that the FHFA inspector general demanded “the loan file and any related investigative or quality control documentation, as well as all other loans associated with...Adam B. Schiff.”

The allegations against Schiff relate to his ownership of two homes, one in Burbank and the second in the Washington, D.C., area. But his dual ownership obviously was known to his mortgage lenders, and he has said that he took the homeowner’s property tax exemption only on the Burbank property.

[For James] In all but one of several documents, she stated that the niece would live in the house; according to her lawyer, on one form she said she’d be the occupant. But the bank could hardly have been misled, given the other documents. ... One form filed in 2001 regarding a Brooklyn brownstone bought for her family listed the property as having five units, but all the other pertinent forms stated correctly that it was four units. ... And in the 1983 purchase of house in Queens, New York, James’ father identified her as his spouse, not his daughter, on one form among others that identified her correctly.

Back in 2014, David H. Stevens, a former federal housing official then serving as CEO of the Mortgage Bankers Assn., told the Washington Post that the paper file for a standard mortgage had ballooned to 200-500 pages. “The likelihood of a minor defect is almost 100 percent,” he said. That reduces the significance of the errors Pulte claims to have found nearly to the vanishing point, especially given the paucity of evidence that Schiff, James or Cook got a financial benefit from any of them.

... the law is not concerned with insignificant trifles. In the Trump case, however, [the judge] declared that Trump and his fellow defendants saved tens of millions of dollars. “The frauds found here,” he wrote, “leap off the page and shock the conscience.”
Kind of like both Comey and McCabe being audited, it's just a coincidence.
 
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We’re supposed to wait until a person is indicted, tried and convicted before passing such judgment, (or so I have been told).
Then you misunderstand.

Each gets to decide for himself what he considers sufficient evidence to pass judgment.

If I see my cousin rob a store, I'm not going to wait for a conviction before I pass judgment.
 
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You demonstrating why it is true.
Why what is true? The appeals on the award are not over yet, so even if it becomes true in the future, it isn't true now.
 
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Then you misunderstand.

Each gets to decide for himself what he considers sufficient evidence to pass judgment.

If I see my cousin rob a store, I'm not going to wait for a conviction before I pass judgment.
You may want to tell that to the people who have complained that Letitia James ran for AG on a platform of "getting Trump," because she believed he was guilty of fraud. They say he was innocent until proven guilty, and she shouldn't have decided he was guilty before the trial.

Of course, as it turns out, she did prove he was guilty of fraud; but the point made is that our legal system does presume innocence until guilt has been proven in a court of law.

-- A2SG, but you do kinda need evidence for that sort of thing.....
 
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You may want to tell that to the people who have complained that Letitia James ran for AG on a platform of "getting Trump," because she believed he was guilty of fraud. They say he was innocent until proven guilty, and she shouldn't have decided he was guilty before the trial.
The catch there for me is saying she should not have thought him guilty before he was convicted. . .then why would she try to convict him of guilt if she didn't think he was guilty before he was convicted?

And I reserve that same right of opinion before conviction.
 
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The catch there for me is saying she should not have thought him guilty before he was convicted. . .then why would she try to convict him of guilt if she didn't think he was guilty before he was convicted?

And I reserve that same right of opinion before conviction.
Of course. You, and anyone else, are perfectly free to hold whatever opinion you like, regardless of whether that opinion comports with reality or not. It just strikes me as strange when some people will proclaim "Trump is innocent until proven guilty!" and even extend that presumption after he has been proven guilty, but will not extend that same presumption for others. Accusations are not proof of guilt, after all.

In this specific case, from what I've seen, the accusations come from nothing more than minor errors in a mountain of paperwork. Anyone who has bought a home or applied for a mortgage knows how much paperwork that involves, simple errors can easily occur. That is not by any means proof of fraud, much less criminal activity or intent.

Thus the double standard. Letitia James is accused of fraud because she made a slight error on one line of a mortgage document so she must be guilty! But Trump having been proven guilty of fraud on multiple occasions is called "lawfare" and some continue to claim he was railroaded.

-- A2SG, if I weren't so cynical by now, I'd be surprised by this.....
 
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Of course. You, and anyone else, are perfectly free to hold whatever opinion you like, regardless of whether that opinion comports with reality or not. It just strikes me as strange when some people will proclaim "Trump is innocent until proven guilty!" and even extend that presumption after he has been proven guilty, but will not extend that same presumption for others. Accusations are not proof of guilt, after all.
I"m smelling a double standard here, with which the plurality of the electorate who put him in office seem to agree.
 
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Why are all these leading Democrats suddenly facing mortgage fraud charges? Guess who’s behind it

[Adam Schiff, Letitia James, and now Lisa Cook.]

What gets me, and should get you, is the flimsiness of these accusations despite how loudly they’ve been bruited about on the MAGA right as though they’re signals of profound moral turpitude on the part of the targets, and how they all originated in the Federal Housing Finance Agency, which is led by Trump acolyte and sycophant William J. Pulte, in private life a big homebuilder.

The important question, in the view of Adam Levitin of Georgetown Law, is who is driving these investigations and levying these accusations, and whether they reflect an “enemies list” Pulte has compiled on Donald Trump’s behalf. I asked the FHFA to respond to Levitin’s questions, but received no response.

...none of the public accusations from the FHFA specify what, if any, financial advantages were received by the targets.

And it’s unlikely that they’re the result of random audits of FHFA loans, as Levitin observed in relation to the Cook case.

“No one ever goes back and examines loan applications on performing loans for occupancy fraud; that would entail expenses for no benefit,” he wrote. “Instead, the only way anyone would have noticed a problem with Cook’s loan application is that Pulte, as head of FHFA, directed Fannie or Freddie to pull her application. That is unheard of.”

[In Schiff's case, we have an FHFA memo that says as much. The order came from one of the IGs Trump installed after firing most of them.]

The Fannie Mae memo says that the FHFA inspector general demanded “the loan file and any related investigative or quality control documentation, as well as all other loans associated with...Adam B. Schiff.”

The allegations against Schiff relate to his ownership of two homes, one in Burbank and the second in the Washington, D.C., area. But his dual ownership obviously was known to his mortgage lenders, and he has said that he took the homeowner’s property tax exemption only on the Burbank property.

[For James] In all but one of several documents, she stated that the niece would live in the house; according to her lawyer, on one form she said she’d be the occupant. But the bank could hardly have been misled, given the other documents. ... One form filed in 2001 regarding a Brooklyn brownstone bought for her family listed the property as having five units, but all the other pertinent forms stated correctly that it was four units. ... And in the 1983 purchase of house in Queens, New York, James’ father identified her as his spouse, not his daughter, on one form among others that identified her correctly.

Back in 2014, David H. Stevens, a former federal housing official then serving as CEO of the Mortgage Bankers Assn., told the Washington Post that the paper file for a standard mortgage had ballooned to 200-500 pages. “The likelihood of a minor defect is almost 100 percent,” he said. That reduces the significance of the errors Pulte claims to have found nearly to the vanishing point, especially given the paucity of evidence that Schiff, James or Cook got a financial benefit from any of them.

... the law is not concerned with insignificant trifles. In the Trump case, however, [the judge] declared that Trump and his fellow defendants saved tens of millions of dollars. “The frauds found here,” he wrote, “leap off the page and shock the conscience.”
Well, we know Trump was guilty of those charges and Trump has weaponized the DOJ, as an act of revenge, to try and get his enemies. If any of these Democrats are punished for these charges, Trump should faced the same punishment.
 
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Read the article. :doh:
Only a court can determine that. The judge is reviewing now if Trump has cause to even fire the woman. What matters the most though is if Trump is trying to micromanage the Federal Reserve. That is a yes, and it can lead to millions more harm. Evidence come from Trump calling Powell names and advocating for a lower Federal Funds rate.
 
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I"m smelling a double standard here, with which the plurality of the electorate who put him in office seem to agree.
Yeah, I spelled out that double standard myself:

Thus the double standard. Letitia James is accused of fraud because she made a slight error on one line of a mortgage document so she must be guilty! But Trump having been proven guilty of fraud on multiple occasions is called "lawfare" and some continue to claim he was railroaded.

There is a difference between being accused and having been proved guilty, don't you think?

-- A2SG, can't speak to why anyone would vote for Donald Trump, but because he was proven guilty of fraud on multiple occasions seems a stretch....
 
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