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The Kingdom of God

What do Mat. 16:28, Mrk. 9:1, and Luk. 9:27 refer to?


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RandyPNW

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That is indeterminable. We don't even know exactly what that means for us. But we do know what we have here and now in our hearts.

Jesus also said, "I come that you might have life more abundantly" John 10:10

The Kingdome of God must start here and now.
"Eschatological" is a standard recognition that it has to do with a future Kingdom that is not yet present. The idea that the Kingdom, yet to come, already impacts us presently, is also regularly understood. I don't see where the confusion is?
 
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Akita Suggagaki

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"Eschatological" is a standard recognition that it has to do with a future Kingdom that is not yet present. The idea that the Kingdom, yet to come, already impacts us presently, is also regularly understood. I don't see where the confusion is?
To me the confusion is a pie in the sky kingdom that undermines the importance of this life here and now.
 
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Akita Suggagaki

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Luke 17:L2021
Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The kingdom of God is not coming in ways that can be observed, nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”

Mark 9:1
And he said to them, “Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God after it has come with power.”
 
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To me the confusion is a pie in the sky kingdom that undermines the importance of this life here and now.
I understand Akita. However, even Amillennialists have hope in a future Kingdom. After all, that's what prompts us to live good today, so that we will be with Christ forever in his *future* eternal Kingdom.
 
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I understand Akita. However, even Amillennialists have hope in a future Kingdom. After all, that's what prompts us to live good today, so that we will be with Christ forever in his *future* eternal Kingdom.
That is certainly one of the motives. But even that misses the point that we can live good simply out of love for God and it is God's desire for us to do so without anticipating some future reward.
 
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That is certainly one of the motives. But even that misses the point that we can live good simply out of love for God and it is God's desire for us to do so without anticipating some future reward.
True, people can use the idea of a future reward to do things with ulterior motives, or materialistic motives, or for self-aggrandizement, etc. But the faithful Christian simply needs to know there is hope in a future God so that we try to please Him now. That will ensure we are not expending ourselves for nothing, ie for an empty, meaningless future that renders everything we suffer for now of no consequence.

1 Cor 15.19 If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
 
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“Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom (Mat. 16:28).”

And Jesus was saying to them, “Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God when it has come with power (Mrk. 9:1).”

"But I say to you truthfully, there are some of those standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God (Luk. 9:27).”
These sayings of Jesus are best understood through the disruption that occurred in the spirit world when He assumed kingship. From that moment onward, the spirit world was transformed into the kingdom of God, with Jesus enthroned as its sovereign. This represents the metaphysical conception of the kingdom—a view deeply rooted in primitive Christianity.

I invite you to read my newly published paper, which seeks to revive this ancient perspective. It expands upon Albert the Great’s thesis that the kingdom of God resides within the divine mind. Envisioned as a ‘theo-drama’ authored by God, the kingdom possesses ontological reality and serves as the dwelling place of both angels and demons:
Albertus Magnus and the Mythological Kingdom: Divine Mind as Ontological Reality.
 
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