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ozso · Thursday at 7:23 PM

Ophiolite said:
From this side of the pond it looked more like it was due to the inherent stupidty of a significant proportion of the American electorate. But what would we know, we're all a bunch of woke, snowflake commies over here.

Yep, things have gotten really bad over there. I've heard Brits asking Trump to give them the same offer he made to Canada. So not all.

eclipsenow · Thursday at 7:29 PM

ozso said:
Yes, that hyperbolic hysteria comes off as weird.

If you have a legitimate answer to any of my substantive points, I'm willing to listen.

But so far you've just "asserted and diverted". (Where have I seen that tactic before? :oldthumbsup:

) Our ABC calls Trump's tweets "WMD's" - Weapons of Mass Distraction.

And oh look! It seems we're not talking about the Epstein files!
At his age, he'll probably be dead before the truth comes out.
Exactly as he wants it.

ozso · Thursday at 7:32 PM

eclipsenow said:
If you have a legitimate answer to any of my substantive points, I'm willing to listen.

But so far you've just "asserted and diverted". (Where have I seen that tactic before? ) Our ABC calls Trump's tweets "WMD's" - Weapons of Mass Distraction.

And oh look! It seems we're not talking about the Epstein files!
At his age, he'll probably be dead before the truth comes out.
Exactly as he wants it.

Nice rant.

eclipsenow · Thursday at 7:44 PM

ozso said:
Nice rant.

Again - when you can address anything substantive, with real world data, I'm all ears.
I like being pushed and learning new things. If they're real.

ozso · Thursday at 8:06 PM

eclipsenow said:
Again - when you can address anything substantive, with real world data, I'm all ears.
I like being pushed and learning new things. If they're real.

Anything but a straightforward gimmick free discussion.

essentialsaltes · Friday at 3:30 PM

Why did Trump halt their project? Union wind workers want answers

The Revolution Wind project was 80% complete when Trump put it on hold. Union laborers just want to work.

The White House on Aug. 22 abruptly halted the nearly complete 65-turbine Revolution Wind project in the Atlantic Ocean, leaving developers and construction workers wondering how to proceed.

"A lot of building trades workers, a lot of union workers, voted for Donald Trump and his team. But they didn't vote to have union jobs shut down," said Patrick Crowley, the president of the Rhode Island AFL-CIO, which represents the contractors.

"For our folks, this is work, this is make or break for them," Crowley said. "When you get a chance to work on a project that's going to be around for months at a time, that provides you and your family such a sense of stability. And to have this happen? I've never seen anything like this before."

eclipsenow · Friday at 6:24 PM

Just atrocious! Wind is a great technology - if sited correctly. It works at different times to solar - so they complement each other. Overbuild enough wind and solar across the continent - and you can get closer to a reliable grid from LIVE renewables minimising expensive storage. Sure - it's got to be sited correctly. While I'm excited Australia has heaps of solar, our wind takes a while to get through legislation - and they've just approved a REALLY BAD site down in Tasmania where there's an extremely endangered parrot - the cute little orange belly parrot. But as long as biologists and environmental agencies are actually DOING THEIR JOB (the Tasmanian one sounds compromised) - an approve the right wind farm in the right spot - it's a great technology!

But it gets worse. As I've shared elsewhere, the BBB punishes renewables and other green tech and climate science and now even medical science so bad that a huge brain drain is about to start.

Matt Ferrell of "Undecided" fame explores the health costs, lost factory costs, infrastructure costs, and talent costs as "brain drain" accelerates and Europe and China poach American scientists. Up to 75% are considering fleeing - and it takes DECADES to woo them back.

Rather than helping the economy, Trump's BBB has shot it in the foot, both kneecaps and a kidney as well! If it isn't reversed soon - it's going to take America DECADES to recover.

durangodawood · Friday at 6:30 PM

eclipsenow said:
....the cute little orange belly parrot......

You are not kidding!

durangodawood · Friday at 6:31 PM

eclipsenow said:
.....But it gets worse. As I've shared elsewhere, the BBB punishes renewables and other green tech and climate science and now even medical science so bad that a huge brain drain is about to start......

Scientists on average probably dont vote correctly. I agree, hounding them out will really hurt us.

eclipsenow · Friday at 7:09 PM

durangodawood said:
You are not kidding!

Thanks for that - I love them! :clap:

Bradskii · Friday at 10:39 PM

eclipsenow said:
Thanks for that - I love them!

And taste delicious!

Bradskii · Friday at 10:40 PM

essentialsaltes said:
The White House on Aug. 22 abruptly halted the nearly complete 65-turbine Revolution Wind project in the Atlantic Ocean, leaving developers and construction workers wondering how to proceed.

At least someone's thinking of the whales.

eclipsenow · Friday at 11:32 PM

Bradskii said:
And taste delicious!

"Ooh you are awful - but I like you!"

eclipsenow · Friday at 11:45 PM

Bradskii said:
At least someone's thinking of the whales.

What? You want to see that Donald Trump documentary on the whales as much as I do?
(These guys crack me up - I've timed it to the bit.)

Ophiolite · Saturday at 6:46 AM

ozso said:
Yep, things have gotten really bad over there. I've heard Brits asking Trump to give them the same offer he made to Canada. So not all.

In your dreams. Our parliamentary democracy continues to deliver passable solutions to complex problems, while avoiding the toxic, sycophantic nonsense your delusional dichotomies and sub-standard education have imposed on your nation. Fortunately there are enough people of maturity, wisdom and compassion to pick up the pieces once the dust clears from the all but inevitable collapse.

eclipsenow · Saturday at 8:16 AM

Ophiolite said:
In your dreams. Our parliamentary democracy continues to deliver passable solutions to complex problems, while avoiding the toxic, sycophantic nonsense your delusional dichotomies and sub-standard education have imposed on your nation. Fortunately there are enough people of maturity, wisdom and compassion to pick up the pieces once the dust clears from the all but inevitable collapse.

Sure - and I'm a big fan of the Westminster system. And while this American business is sometimes just so revolting I cannot believe they call themselves a democracy, let's not forget the climate wars in Australia that has resulted in a revolving door of PMs the last decade. (Which is better than being stuck with a Trump for 2 full terms - I hear you!)

And the UK had BREXIT!

But generally - I'm with you. Westminster isn't perfect - but we seem to have more checks and balances working to hold back the crazy than America has the last few decades.

Oh - and there's the little details that our healthcare covers EVERYONE at half the cost of American for-profit hospital money extraction businesses!

Ophiolite · Saturday at 9:07 AM

eclipsenow said:
And the UK had BREXIT!

I was going to reference that. The thing about well functioning democracies is that ones representatives are meant to have the sense to implement what the populace need, not what they want. Brexit was the fault of Dave Cameron, for allowing the electorate to make a decision that should never have been placed in front of them. In that regard the proportion of fools who voted for Brexit was actually greater than that which voted for Trump.

eclipsenow said:
Oh - and there's the little details that our healthcare covers EVERYONE at half the cost of American for-profit hospital money extraction businesses!

I was living in the US when my wife delivered our first child. I vividly recall being met at reception by two individuals. One took my wife to the maternity unit, the other took me to the accounting office.

essentialsaltes · Sunday at 10:50 AM

essentialsaltes said:
Why did Trump halt their project? Union wind workers want answers
The Revolution Wind project was 80% complete when Trump put it on hold. Union laborers just want to work.

‘It’s madness’: Trump-voting fishermen oppose Revolution Wind halt

Though often seen as opposed to offshore wind, many New England fishermen have made peace with the industry in recent years.

They increasingly rely on part-time salaries from wind companies as fishing revenues dry up. Over the past two years, Ørsted put 80 fishermen to work on the Revolution Wind project, paying out $9.5 million to captains, deckhands, and fishing boat owners, according to Gary Yerman, a Connecticut-based fisherman who founded and leads a fisher cooperative called Sea Services North America, which has an active contract to work on Revolution Wind.

Ørsted was one of the first firms building turbines in U.S. waters to employ local fishermen, offering Sea Services a contract in 2021 to perform safety and scout tasks. The cooperative helped build Ørsted’s South Fork Wind — America’s first large-scale offshore wind farm, which went online last year.

Today, it’s common for wind developers to rely on local U.S. fishermen. Avangrid and Vineyard Offshore, codevelopers of the embattled Vineyard Wind project off the coast of Massachusetts, have paid out about $8 million over the past two years directly to local fishermen and vessel owners.

Now, sitting at the docks due to the Trump administration’s stop-work order, the 15 fishermen who planned to be at sea, working 10-day shifts throughout this month, will get paid nothing.

“I can’t think of one guy who isn’t a Trumper in our co-op. We’re blue-collar guys (and some gals too) who get up before dawn, work with our hands, and we trusted him to look out for us. The truth is, we love President Trump,” Yerman said.

eclipsenow · Sunday at 7:54 PM

Ophiolite said:
ones representatives are meant to have the sense to implement what the populace need

I agree with the sentiment. Brexit was a debacle, agreed.

But I disagree with the view that voting for Brexit was worse than voting for Trump.
More permanent and damaging for the UK for decades - maybe?

But the people who voted for Trump - voted for someone with an incurable and dangerous personality disorder.
They voted for someone with a demonstrated autocratic bent - apart from his usual list of disgusting personal faults.

Brexit only hurt the UK (and Europe somewhat) - but Trump's NPD makes him the most dangerous President in US history - and possibly very dangerous for the world stage.

Basically - one nuclear war could run our whole day!

In the long term - I hope you are right - and that Brexit remains a far worse decision than Trump.
Because what I fear about Trump could throw us into something like "Mad Max - Fury Road."

Trump has already wounded the very definition of Western Civilisation itself by ruling America out of that long-standing conversation.

We live in an extraordinarily precarious situation, which is why I as an Australian citizen am commenting on an American political forum when I do not really like politics that much!

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