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Mass Shooting at Annunciation Catholic Church/School in Minneapolis

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Felons aren't allowed to buy/own guns. Underage people aren't allowed to buy them. Background checks are needed, and an efficient method of processing them is in place.
Define "gun culture".
From what I've found: Despite common themes, there is no single American gun culture; rather, there are diverse subcultures based on location and individual perspectives, such as recreational use, self-defense, or the defense of the Second Amendment itself.
Is that what you find to be troublesome?
All of that isn’t working. Time to revoke 2A. Unless it is more important than dead kids?
 
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Meaning dont pick one specific type of restriction that anyone can see will do nothing and then conclude that restrictions generally cant ever work. (I dont care if tts the D's who did it. I'm not here in this topic to defend D's above all else.)

Honestly, this particular topic really brings out the worst in reasoned discussion. Like "guns dont kill people". Ugh.
You know, a case is made for banning the type of every gun in existence. If not all at once, then individually.

"Semi auto rifle": Supposedly made to kill as many people at once in as short a time as possible. Used by school shooters.

Semi-auto pistol: Called an "assault handgun" and can be reloaded to quickly, which negates banning hi-cap magazines. Easy to hide.

Shotgun: Shoots hundreds of projectiles with one pull of the trigger. Used by the Columbine school shooters.

Revolvers: Doesn't eject the spent shell, making it easy for someone to cover up a shooting. Easy to hide.

Bolt action rifle: Enables someone to shoot people from long distances.

So there's your list of reasons for each one individually. When people say, "I don't want to ban ALL guns, just the ones people use to kill each other with", they use their most hated type of firearm to make the argument of the moment for banning it--until a different firearm is used, and then the argument comes out for that one to be banned. Eventually all guns are targeted because each one can kill and has its own aspects to be used for a reason to ban it.
 
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Arming teachers is ridiculous. How would you like to be a teacher with a gun when the cops arrive? A black teacher with a gun? A black male teacher with a gun?

It's utter nonsense.
"During the Mass, a gunman approached on the outside on the side of the building and began firing a rifle through the church windows towards the children sitting in the pews at the Mass. ..." (Shooting at Minneapolis Catholic church leaves 2 children dead, 17 injured).

Armed teachers could not have stopped this maniac. Nor could armed security guards inside the church protect the children.
 
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I did. They removed the vast majority of guns in civilian hands. School shooting are now vanishingly uncommon.
The population allowed their freedom to be taken in exchange for security.
Wasn't Britain the country that also gave up firearm ownership before being threatened by the Nazis, and needed America to help with re-arming?
Some countries forget their past mistakes, and are doomed to repeat them.
 
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You know, a case is made for banning the type of every gun in existence. If not all at once, then individually.

"Semi auto rifle": Supposedly made to kill as many people at once in as short a time as possible. Used by school shooters.

Semi-auto pistol: Called an "assault handgun" and can be reloaded to quickly, which negates banning hi-cap magazines. Easy to hide.

Shotgun: Shoots hundreds of projectiles with one pull of the trigger. Used by the Columbine school shooters.

Revolvers: Doesn't eject the spent shell, making it easy for someone to cover up a shooting. Easy to hide.

Bolt action rifle: Enables someone to shoot people from long distances.

So there's your list of reasons for each one individually. When people say, "I don't want to ban ALL guns, just the ones people use to kill each other with", they use their most hated type of firearm to make the argument of the moment for banning it--until a different firearm is used, and then the argument comes out for that one to be banned. Eventually all guns are targeted because each one can kill and has its own aspects to be used for a reason to ban it.
As I said, I remain in favor of an individual right to rear arms. Real actual firearms. The main thrust of my "plan" I mentioned earlier are a bunch of measures that elevate the responsibility side of ownership up to same level of respect we show for the rights side. Its not a work of genius or anything. Just some sensible things. I'll try to find it later.

For now the reality of guns in America is close to a de facto free for all.
 
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What quality of life would the person have there are times when saving people is frankly selfish.
This comes down to common sense. If a school shooter comes armed with an assault-style rifle with several high-capacity magazines, they are going to be able to kill and injure more children than they would with a rifle or handgun with magazines that can only hold 10 or fewer rounds.

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Below are a couple of screenshots from a video today's shooter uploaded that show the weapons he brought with him.

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Which weapon would be the most efficient at killing a room full of children? A revolver with 6 rounds, a semi-automatic pistol with several 10-round magazines, or an assault-style rifle with several 45+ round magazines?

Since the answer to the question is obvious, don't you think passing common-sense gun laws that can save children's lives, even if it's a few, is better than doing nothing at all?
 
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I'm going to say something that is going to trigger both sides! (I'm an Independent)
Firstly, this shooter had something in common with the shooter in Tennessee in 2023, who was a female to male transgender.
Minneapolis shooter was a male to female transgender who started transitioning as a teen(changed his birth certificate at age 17,had gender affirming care,etc) and his mother worked at the school and he attended the school. So , was familiar with how the school operated, worked,etc.
We don't know the home-life.
I support the 2nd amendment but I agree with durangogodwood above. I also propose to raise the legal age to purchase firearms to be 21, maybe even 25(heck you can't rent a car until you're 25!)nationwide. The frontal cortex of our brains aren't fully formed until the early 20's (I've raised children and been a child myself.) They may not make a difference in all school shootings like this one, but it's a start. I also support red flag laws. Can they be abused, sure but I support them nationwide.
Secondly, and I don't know if it would have made a difference in this case, But gender affirming care/hormones/surgery should not be legal until age 18, or even 21. I can't believe it's even a debate in our society,but children are being sterilized and given hormones before they are fully mature. This is nothing to do with bigotry it's common sense.
Once you are a legal adult then if you want to change your gender, go for it!
This case has strong similarities to the one in Tennessee.
I would add that there is so much toxic stuff on social media and corners of the internet, his manifesto was in Russian, apparently.
If Trump wanted to write these two EO's I'd support them.
 
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I'm going to say something that is going to trigger both sides! (I'm an Independent)
Firstly, this shooter had something in common with the shooter in Tennessee in 2023, who was a female to male transgender.
Minneapolis shooter was a male to female transgender who started transitioning as a teen(changed his birth certificate at age 17,had gender affirming care,etc) and his mother worked at the school and he attended the school. So , was familiar with how the school operated, worked,etc.
We don't know the home-life.
I support the 2nd amendment but I agree with durangogodwood above. I also propose to raise the legal age to purchase firearms to be 21, maybe even 25(heck you can't rent a car until you're 25!)nationwide. The frontal cortex of our brains aren't fully formed until the early 20's (I've raised children and been a child myself.) They may not make a difference in all school shootings like this one, but it's a start. I also support red flag laws. Can they be abused, sure but I support them nationwide.
Secondly, and I don't know if it would have made a difference in this case, But gender affirming care/hormones/surgery should not be legal until age 18, or even 21. I can't believe it's even a debate in our society,but children are being sterilized and given hormones before they are fully mature. This is nothing to do with bigotry it's common sense.
Once you are a legal adult then if you want to change your gender, go for it!
This case has strong similarities to the one in Tennessee.
I would add that there is so much toxic stuff on social media and corners of the internet, his manifesto was in Russian, apparently.
If Trump wanted to write these two EO's I'd support them.
The media has much played down the high percentage of violence among transgenders.
 
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This comes down to common sense. If a school shooter comes armed with an assault-style rifle with several high-capacity magazines, they are going to be able to kill and injure more children than they would with a rifle or handgun with magazines that can only hold 10 or fewer rounds.

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Below are a couple of screenshots from a video today's shooter uploaded that show the weapons he brought with him.

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Which weapon would be the most efficient at killing a room full of children? A revolver with 6 rounds, a semi-automatic pistol with several 10-round magazines, or an assault-style rifle with several 45+ round magazines?

Since the answer to the question is obvious, don't you think passing common-sense gun laws that can save children's lives, even if it's a few, is better than doing nothing at all?
The high percentage of violence among transgenders needs to be put out in the open. That means the media needs to quit suppressing the facts.
 

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The population allowed their freedom to be taken in exchange for security.
Wasn't Britain the country that also gave up firearm ownership before being threatened by the Nazis, and needed America to help with re-arming?
Some countries forget their past mistakes, and are doomed to repeat them.
Also Ukraine gave up their atomic weapons.
 
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The high percentage of violence among transgenders needs to be put out in the open. That means the media needs to quit suppressing the facts.
I could see this world and the pushback they get making some of them crazy. Can you imagine having to struggle against that growing up?
 
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The media has much played down the high percentage of violence among transgenders.
What is the actual percentage? How high are we talking?
 
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The high percentage of violence among transgenders needs to be put out in the open. That means the media needs to quit suppressing the facts.

Trans people rarely commit mass shootings

Over the past decade, the nonprofit Gun Violence Archive has recorded more than 5,300 mass shootings, defined as incidents in which at least four people were shot, excluding the perpetrators. Only four of those — less than one-tenth of 1 percent — were committed by people known to identify as trans or nonbinary. They were the 2023 Covenant School shooter, the 2023 Club Q shooter, one of the 2019 STEM School Highlands Ranch shooters, and the 2018 Maryland Rite Aid warehouse shooter. Right-wing personalities frequently point to these four incidents to suggest that trans people are a threat.
 
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Trans people rarely commit mass shootings

Over the past decade, the nonprofit Gun Violence Archive has recorded more than 5,300 mass shootings, defined as incidents in which at least four people were shot, excluding the perpetrators. Only four of those — less than one-tenth of 1 percent — were committed by people known to identify as trans or nonbinary. They were the 2023 Covenant School shooter, the 2023 Club Q shooter, one of the 2019 STEM School Highlands Ranch shooters, and the 2018 Maryland Rite Aid warehouse shooter. Right-wing personalities frequently point to these four incidents to suggest that trans people are a threat.
Prevalence of identifying as transgender is roughly 1%, and transgender mass shooters are about 0.1% of mass shootings. So they are under-represented by an order of magnitude.

Women are underrepresented by a similar factor.

Perhaps it's time to talk about the high percentage of violence among men.
 
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Prevalence of identifying as transgender is roughly 1%, and transgender mass shooters are about 0.1% of mass shootings. So they are under-represented by an order of magnitude.
I think there is a difference between an adult transitioning and a child. Children’s frontal lobes are not fully formed and there are hormonal swings and hence we don’t serve alcohol to anyone under 21 and I think that should also go for gun purchases. Surgery and top and bottom surgery is permanent and irreversible and shouldn’t be done before 18 or even 21. Children don’t have the maturity to think about forever
 
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Another trans shooter?

While I do not believe trans people are inherently more violent than the rest of the population. I do wonder if the recent social changes where it's more acceptable for people to voice their skepticism of trans identity is sending some trans people over the edge?

At least for a while, the left was pretty influencinal in silencing dissent culturally. This probably gave many trans people unrealistic expectations that came crashing down when the political wind started shifting to the right.
 
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