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Trump to sign executive order directing AG to prosecute flag desecration

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Australia is a small country. But I'd consider us great. I can list all the reasons why. And I can list all our faults as well.

Russia is a strong country. And in some aspects I'd consider them great. But...well you know the situation.

The US is a powerful country. And you have a lot to be proud about. But you are being run by a small minded man. In the eyes of the world your reputation is being trashed. I don't consider you as being great at this time.

You're like an old friend who is being led astray. I sincerely hope that you recover.
And all I am saying is that American greatness is what made America big, powerful, and the richest if I may add. That is an inconvenient truth.
 
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If it’s any consolation, Trump won’t be around forever. We have term limits. Not to mention, he’s elderly.
Makes me wonder, did any country have term limits before the United States?
 
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Australia is a small country. But I'd consider us great. I can list all the reasons why. And I can list all our faults as well.

Russia is a strong country. And in some aspects I'd consider them great. But...well you know the situation.

The US is a powerful country. And you have a lot to be proud about. But you are being run by a small minded man. In the eyes of the world your reputation is being trashed. I don't consider you as being great at this time.

You're like an old friend who is being led astray. I sincerely hope that you recover.

It's only fair to point out that the "it's cool to crap on America" thing started well before Trump though...

I distinctly remembering it happen during George W Bush...and while I wasn't alive for it, it sounds like it was pretty popular during the Vietnam era.

And while you mention "you have a lot to be proud about", you wouldn't know it from talking to the progressive wing over here.

According to them, the fact that we were one of the participants in the shameful institution of chattel slavery precludes us from ever having any national pride about anything, which is a moving goalposts game. Since the generational impact of the institution will diminish, but never reach absolute zero, there will never be a time where we can be seen as having "fully atoned for the past sin", therefore there will never be an unequal outcome that can't be interpreted as having been caused by it, therefore it'll continue to be hung over our heads long past any of our lifetimes, and we'll be expected to self-flagellate and perpetually go along with whatever blue/pink haired philosophy major "experts" claims we should do.
 
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Makes me wonder, did any country have term limits before the United States?

Which country was the first kind of depends on how you define it, but there were appear to have been countries prior to the United States that had term limits. Though when the first term limits in the United States were depends, again, on exactly how you define them. Are we counting term limits under the Articles of Confederation? Do state restrictions count or does it have to be something on the national level?
 
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No, she's saying if a flag is being used in one context - racism, then reasonable people would not want to be associated with it being used in that way.
I see no way to read her statement honestly as anything other than if the flag has been used in a racist context anywhere, it must be seen in a racist context everywhere.
 
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And all I am saying is that American greatness is what made America big, powerful, and the richest if I may add.
Ah. So you're the biggest, strongest and richest. We were talking about what makes one proud of one's country. I guess we now have your criteria.
 
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It's only fair to point out that the "it's cool to crap on America" thing started well before Trump though...

I distinctly remembering it happen during George W Bush...and while I wasn't alive for it, it sounds like it was pretty popular during the Vietnam era.

And while you mention "you have a lot to be proud about", you wouldn't know it from talking to the progressive wing over here.

According to them, the fact that we were one of the participants in the shameful institution of chattel slavery precludes us from ever having any national pride about anything, which is a moving goalposts game. Since the generational impact of the institution will diminish, but never reach absolute zero, there will never be a time where we can be seen as having "fully atoned for the past sin", therefore there will never be an unequal outcome that can't be interpreted as having been caused by it, therefore it'll continue to be hung over our heads long past any of our lifetimes, and we'll be expected to self-flagellate and perpetually go along with whatever blue/pink haired philosophy major "experts" claims we should do.
If you can't see the difference between Bush and Trump then there's nowt I can say that will enlighten you.
 
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If you can't see the difference between Bush and Trump then there's nowt I can say that will enlighten you.
I can name several difference between the two...

But the average progressive in the US during Bush talked about him the exact same way as the average progressive over here talks about Trump today.

"He's a puppet for Israel"
"He doesn't care about non-white people"
"He's a fascist theocrat"
"Here's my protest sign showing him with a Hitler mustache"

Musicians were releasing collaboration albums against him
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(there were other volumes after that...apparently the people were clamoring for more anti-Bush Green Day songs)

I've cited it before, but half of Democrats (and it was per WaPo polling, not a conservative outlet) thought he was behind 9/11.

This isn't a new phenomenon.

For decades now, we're pretty much the only country that's not allowed (by PC rules) to have pride in our national identity or what our country stands for...and whoever was the most recent conservative president (or even conservative nominee) is often used as the justification for that.


Even Mitt Romney...I remember when they played the "he's a racist right-winger" card against him. (Ironic that's he's been viewed as "one of the good ones" over the past few years).

He's about as controversial as white toast with margarine, yet they pounced on his 47% comment.
 
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Australia is a small country. But I'd consider us great. I can list all the reasons why. And I can list all our faults as well.....
Australia IS great, obviously. Totally punches above its weight culturally, economically. And weird animals to boot. Yep. Great.
 
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Which country was the first kind of depends on how you define it, but there were appear to have been countries prior to the United States that had term limits. Though when the first term limits in the United States were depends, again, on exactly how you define them. Are we counting term limits under the Articles of Confederation? Do state restrictions count or does it have to be something on the national level?
I am thinking about a national level. But good info.
 
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Ah. So you're the biggest, strongest and richest. We were talking about what makes one proud of one's country. I guess we now have your criteria.
I am proud that my country has better freedom of speech than Great Britain.
 
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I see no way to read her statement honestly as anything other than if the flag has been used in a racist context anywhere, it must be seen in a racist context everywhere.
Tropical is one of the sharpest people in the forum. I think you're doing a disservice to her reading her post that way. It would mean that you'd associate the Australian flag atop the harbour Bridge as a racist symbol because you'd seen some white nationalists waving it at an anti immigrant rally.

Plainly absurd.
I can name several difference between the two...
One man had character. One man was honourable. One man had policies with which I disagreed, but I always felt he was doing the best for his country. One man I'd invite over for a beer.
 
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Australia IS great, obviously. Totally punches above its weight culturally, economically. And weird animals to boot. Yep. Great.
I'm British by birth. Welsh by heritage. But Australian by choice.
 
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I am proud that my country has better freedom of speech than Great Britain.
I'm not going to support anyone's position that the UK (Great Britain is the island comprising England, Scotland and Wales) is a bastion of free speech. But to hold up the current US as a great example of it is, frankly, deluded.
 
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Tropical is one of the sharpest people in the forum. I think you're doing a disservice to her reading her post that way. It would mean that you'd associate the Australian flag atop the harbour Bridge as a racist symbol because you'd seen some white nationalists waving it at an anti immigrant rally.

Plainly absurd.
It is absurd. But unless Tropical is going to rachet back her statement, that's what her statement means.

And in fact, that's what liberals in the US are precisely doing. That's why a person can't give the traditional "okay" hand sign anymore without being identified as a racist.
 
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And in fact, that's what liberals in the US are precisely doing. That's why a person can't give the traditional "okay" hand sign anymore without being identified as a racist.
Which is another absurd concept. One I'd never heard of actually). But just because a few people hold to a particular absurd position doesn't make it any less absurd.

It's like saying that wearing a cross around your neck is racist because the KKK used to burn them symbolically.
 
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I'm not going to support anyone's position that the UK (Great Britain is the island comprising England, Scotland and Wales) is a bastion of free speech. But to hold up the current US as a great example of it is, frankly, deluded.
Thank you, sir.

If I may add…

Many Americans, myself included, get confused by terminology such as Great Britain, United Kingdom, British Isles et al.

I’m aware of the differences now after learning them. It was never taught in school.

Or they don’t know the island of Ireland is made up of two countries Ireland (Republic of Ireland) and Northern Ireland.

It was never taught to us.

Peace
 
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I'm British by birth. Welsh by heritage. But Australian by choice.
Curious. Do residents of Northern Ireland identify as both Irish AND British?

I had the opportunity to visit England, Ireland, and Wales. I love them. They are beautiful.

I’ve never been to Scotland or Northern Ireland, though.

Beautiful, beautiful countries.
 
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Curious. Do residents of Northern Ireland identify as both Irish AND British?
Tricky question. I think it would depend on the person's politics. If one was an ardent Unionist then they'd probably declare themselves British and avoid being referred to as Irish because that might indicate an association with the Republic. They obviously are Irish because they were born in Ireland and the border is a purely political idea.

In passing, if someone askes where I'm originally from then I say that I'm from Wales, rather than from the UK. I guess you'd say the US as opposed to Nebraska.
 
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Tricky question. I think it would depend on the person's politics. If one was an ardent Unionist then they'd probably declare themselves British and avoid being referred to as Irish because that might indicate an association with the Republic. They obviously are Irish because they were born in Ireland and the border is a purely political idea.

In passing, if someone askes where I'm originally from then I say that I'm from Wales, rather than from the UK. I guess you'd say the US as opposed to Nebraska.
Quite interesting.

Thanks for the response!

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