Newsome pushed back against Democracy to achieve his political goals

Always in His Presence · Tuesday at 11:11 AM

durangodawood said:
If you dont like the USA also being a democracy, you should fight for We The People no longer electing the leadership.

Never said such a thing - seems a bit over dramatic to me. and vaguely reminiscent of 'Merica - if you don't like the US - go back to where ya came from'.

DaisyDay said:
Some people vote for particular candidates rather than straight line party voting. Should we allow only voting for a party and not for the candidate?

(As an example) - Shouldn't we allow 44% of a State to have representation? What are the Democrats so afraid of that they feel the need to completely lock out voters representation? Why are the voices of 44% of the voting population silenced through no representation whatso ever. Do their votes and voice not count?

durangodawood said:
Permanent one party rule would be pretty nice. We could stop all this haggling and just accept what we're given.

Ask the people who have zero representation right now - I know the Democrats like the idea and that is why they are fighting for gerrymandering that helps them and cry against the self same practices when it does not help them.

RocksInMyHead · Tuesday at 11:17 AM

Always in His Presence said:
WOW! a little civics lesson might help you

In a Constitutional Republic the power is wielded by REPRESENTATIVES - they are democratically voted on and put in place to - ready - REPRESENT them, their needs - their views - Do I really need to explain that.

So it is a democracy! Good to see you finally get it. Glad I could help you with your civics lesson.

Always in His Presence said:
If you have a State where 44% of the voters have NO REPRESENTATION - that is not equitable - This whole thing began because the Democrats in Texas did not want to loose REPRESENTATION in loosing five seats - but they completely are supporting Democratic run states that offer ZERO representation to 44% of the voting citizens.

How is that equitable and anything other than a power grab?

This has already been explained to you several times. If you truly still don't understand it, there's nothing more I can do for you. Might I suggest a civics lesson?

Always in His Presence said:
The good Governor - by HIS OWN admission is seeking to alter what the voters already voted and agreed upon

No, the governor of California is seeking to ask the voters if they would like to alter what they previously voted and agreed upon. That's an important distinction - the voters can always say "No."

Always in His Presence said:
for one and only one reason - to influence the mid term elections by gaining more seats for the Democrats - but please - please don't call it election interreference - it's the Democrats doing it, so it is perfectly fine.

Bzzt. Wrong. This will have no influence on the mid-term elections because the number of seats in the House controlled by each party does not influence or interfere with the election. It will (potentially) have an influence on the makeup of the 120th Congress, but it does not affect the election itself (and that goes for Texas's redistricting too). Neither is a case of "election interference."

Hans Blaster · Tuesday at 11:39 AM

Didn't you guys have this democracy/republic "discussion" yesterday?

Always in His Presence · Tuesday at 11:43 AM

RocksInMyHead said:
So it is a democracy! Good to see you finally get it. Glad I could help you with your civics lesson.

Heh - ok -

What Form of Government is The United States?

As a federal constitutional republic, the US operates under a complex system of checks and balances designed to limit the concentration of power and protect individual liberties. From its founding in the 18th century to the present day, America’s governmental form has evolved but its core principles remain firmly rooted in representative rule, federalism, and constitutional law.

What Is a Federal Constitutional Republic?

At its core, the United States is a federal constitutional republic. Each term in that phrase carries specific meaning:

Federal: Power is divided between a national (federal) government and individual state governments.

Constitutional: The government's authority and structure are defined and limited by a written constitution.

Republic: Citizens elect representatives to make decisions and pass laws on their behalf.

This system was intentionally crafted by the Founding Fathers to prevent tyranny, whether from a monarch or from mob rule. It combines elements of democratic participation with structured safeguards that ensure the rule of law prevails over popular whims.

The United States is a representative democracy, not a direct democracy.

In a direct democracy, citizens vote on every law or policy decision themselves. That model, used in ancient Athens, is impractical in a nation of over 330 million people. Instead, Americans elect officials, such as members of Congress, governors, and presidents to represent their interests and make decisions on their behalf.

Take away the representative - take away the Democracy aspect of the Government.

You will note - I linked my sources -

Always in His Presence · Tuesday at 11:44 AM

Hans Blaster said:
Didn't you guys have this democracy/republic "discussion" yesterday?

anything on the subject of the thread?

Hans Blaster · Tuesday at 11:44 AM

Always in His Presence said:
anything on the subject of the thread?

That's what I was wondering from you guys.

RocksInMyHead · Tuesday at 11:49 AM

Always in His Presence said:
Heh - ok -

What Form of Government is The United States?

What Is a Federal Constitutional Republic?

Take away the representative - take away the Democracy aspect of the Government.

You will note - I linked my sources -

I'm uncertain of what point you're trying to make. You claimed that the US is not a democracy, but rather a representative republic. The two terms are not mutually exclusive - as your last two posts have shown. We are a representative republic with the representatives elected democratically, thereby making the United States a democracy (as well as a constitutional republic, a representative republic, and a representative democracy). We're not a direct democracy, but no one made that claim. I was just trying to guide you to that realization. I think you're there, but it's hard to tell at this point.

DaisyDay · Tuesday at 12:37 PM

Always in His Presence said:
(As an example) - Shouldn't we allow 44% of a State to have representation? What are the Democrats so afraid of that they feel the need to completely lock out voters representation? Why are the voices of 44% of the voting population silenced through no representation whatso ever. Do their votes and voice not count?

Do you understand that people who vote across party lines are being represented if their candidate is elected? For instance, when people of all parties vote against, say, David Duke for whoever his strongest opponent might be are being represented whether their particular party won or not. The only way to achieve exact party representation would be to vote for the party, not the person. Some countries do this.

A decent elected official represents the interests of all their constituents to the best of their ability. Partisanly corrupt ones refuse.

Always in His Presence · Tuesday at 1:41 PM

DaisyDay said:
Do you understand that people who vote across party lines are being represented if their candidate is elected? For instance, when people of all parties vote against, say, David Duke for whoever his strongest opponent might be are being represented whether their particular party won or not. The only way to achieve exact party representation would be to vote for the party, not the person. Some countries do this.

A decent elected official represents the interests of all their constituents to the best of their ability. Partisanly corrupt ones refuse.

Still didn’t answer my question.

7thKeeper · Tuesday at 2:12 PM

Always in His Presence said:
Take away the representative - take away the Democracy aspect of the Government.

You will note - I linked my sources -

So what exactly are you arguing here? First you have what now appears to be a knee jerk reaction that "no, the USA is not a democracy" because of who posted it, but then you go on and post showing that the USA IS a democracy.

I'm sorry, but I truly cannot see how an adult cannot understand that a constitutional federal republic is a form of democracy.

Aldebaran · Tuesday at 2:26 PM

durangodawood said:
If you dont like the USA also being a democracy, you should fight for We The People no longer electing the leadership.

We already don't. That's why there's the electoral college, which is what the democrats want gotten rid of so it would actually be a democracy.

GoldenBoy89 · Tuesday at 2:28 PM

Always in His Presence said:
Heh - ok -

What Form of Government is The United States?

What Is a Federal Constitutional Republic?

Take away the representative - take away the Democracy aspect of the Government.

You will note - I linked my sources -

The United States is a representative democracy

lol.

Aldebaran · Tuesday at 2:53 PM

GoldenBoy89 said:
The United States is a representative democracy

lol.

That's what people learn when the pledge of allegiance is no longer recited in schools.

GoldenBoy89 · Tuesday at 2:56 PM

Aldebaran said:
That's what people learn when the pledge of allegiance is no longer recited in schools.

Ok.

DaisyDay · Tuesday at 2:57 PM

Always in His Presence said:
Still didn’t answer my question.

I did but you don't see/understand it. People vote across party lines all the time so you can't really tell who they voted for just based on party affiliation.

7thKeeper · Tuesday at 2:58 PM

Aldebaran said:
We already don't. That's why there's the electoral college, which is what the democrats want gotten rid of so it would actually be a democracy.

You have an electoral college that elects your senators and congressmen without any input from the voters?

Aldebaran · Tuesday at 3:05 PM

GoldenBoy89 said:
Ok.

Some people may be "ok" with false teaching about our country.
The rest of us like to stick with what's true.

Aldebaran · Tuesday at 3:07 PM

7thKeeper said:
You have an electoral college that elects your senators and congressmen without any input from the voters?

Senators and Congressmen are the representatives that form our Constitutional Republic.

GoldenBoy89 · Tuesday at 3:11 PM

Aldebaran said:
Some people may be "ok" with false teaching about our country.
The rest of us like to stick with what's true.

A republic is a for of democracy so I don’t know what it is you’re trying to quibble about here but I’m not interested in arguing this any further with you.

Always in His Presence · Tuesday at 3:12 PM

DaisyDay said:
I did but you don't see/understand it. People vote across party lines all the time so you can't really tell who they voted for just based on party affiliation.

Let's follow that line -

Link and show me where 100% of Republican voters voted not to have a voice or Representative in their state.

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