Dozens of OB-GYNs fled Idaho after its abortion ban. Medicaid cuts could make access to care even worse.

FireDragon76 · Saturday at 3:22 AM

ThatRobGuy said:
They can absolutely leave if they want
(the same is actually true of the fireman, police, and teachers...they're not locked in like military members)

But as I noted, the tone is very different from coverage of previous incidents.

It was portrayed as "officers abdicating their responsibilities" and "officers being selfish and unwilling to work under the conditions/provisions that the citizens of the city wanted" when a quarter of the Seattle PD packed up and moved.

But nevertheless, it still comes down the question of whether or that sort of influence imbalance is a reasonable arrangement.

70% of a State's 2 million citizens want X
200 people in this mission critical area want Y

Admittedly, I can't think of a quick/easy solution to solve that imbalance short of some regulatory measures that would be more heavy handed than either faction would like.

Police are civil servants, doctors are not.

Desk trauma · Saturday at 5:07 AM

RileyG said:
Ban this draconian practice everywhere! Protect women, the unborn, and the most vulnerable!

Do the right thing!

The States rights charade slips away so fast.

Desk trauma · Saturday at 5:09 AM

RileyG said:
No. I think he is comparing the abortion # of deaths to the holocaust.

The comparisons of abortion to the holocaust paint those making them in the worst possible light.

ThatRobGuy · Saturday at 7:59 AM

FireDragon76 said:
Police are civil servants, doctors are not.

But it's still at-will employment unlike the military, that was my point.

They change professions tomorrow with no legal penalties.

NxNW · Saturday at 9:38 AM

RileyG said:
Protect women, the unborn, and the most vulnerable!

Do the right thing!

So we're going to stop school shootings and provide funding to eliminate infant mortality, and avoid having children die in floods? Or are we just pretending to care by passing symbolic laws that make the problem worse?

NxNW · Saturday at 9:39 AM

RileyG said:
No. I think he is comparing the abortion # of deaths to the holocaust.

The number of abortion deaths is microscopic compared to the number of miscarriages. I wonder why nobody seems to be concerned about that.

NxNW · Saturday at 10:09 AM

NxNW said:
So we're going to stop school shootings and provide funding to eliminate infant mortality, and avoid having children die in floods? Or are we just pretending to care by passing symbolic laws that make the problem worse?

Judging by Mississippi, I can guess the answer.

Mississippi declares public health emergency over infant mortality rate

Mississippi declares public health emergency over infant mortality rate

More than 3,500 babies in the state have died before the age of 1 since 2014, according to Mississippi state health officials.

www.goodmorningamerica.com

RileyG · Saturday at 10:35 AM

NxNW said:
The number of abortion deaths is microscopic compared to the number of miscarriages. I wonder why nobody seems to be concerned about that.

Not true.

RileyG · Saturday at 10:36 AM

NxNW said:
So we're going to stop school shootings and provide funding to eliminate infant mortality, and avoid having children die in floods? Or are we just pretending to care by passing symbolic laws that make the problem worse?

Why not both? People can care about both? Good grief. Two wrongs don’t make a right. And what “symbolic laws?” What on earth does that mean?

RileyG · Saturday at 10:37 AM

Desk trauma said:
The States rights charade slips away so fast.

I don’t care. If it affects others, then yes, the most vulnerable should be protected.

RileyG · Saturday at 10:37 AM

Desk trauma said:
The comparisons of abortion to the holocaust paint those making them in the worst possible light.

I was only stating that SOME people make that comparison…..

Desk trauma · Saturday at 11:06 AM

RileyG said:
I was only stating that SOME people make that comparison…..

Is it one you disagree with?

RileyG · Saturday at 11:09 AM

Desk trauma said:
Is it one you disagree with?

I mean, not necessarily but I don’t think it’s comparable. I have mixed feelings about it.

Desk trauma · Saturday at 11:12 AM

RileyG said:
I mean, not necessarily but I don’t think it’s comparable. I have mixed feelings about it.

It wasn’t that complicated of a question.

RileyG · Saturday at 11:13 AM

Desk trauma said:
It wasn’t that complicated of a question.

My answer is I don’t agree with it.

ThatRobGuy · Saturday at 6:57 PM

NxNW said:
So we're going to stop school shootings and provide funding to eliminate infant mortality, and avoid having children die in floods? Or are we just pretending to care by passing symbolic laws that make the problem worse?

That's an agreeable arrangement.

I'm by no means a hardline pro-life person by any stretch...

However, I'm okay with the following
- Universal background checks and waiting periods for firearm purchases
- Additional early childcare funding
- Expanded healthcare access
- Expanded no-cost contraception
- Paid family leave for new mothers

...but, there needs to be some sort of good faith gesture from the hardline pro-choice crowd that they'd be willing to make some concessions, and not just immediately keep doing the same things, using the same "clump of cells" talking points, and continuing to treat elective abortions as a "get out of responsibility free card" the moment they get the gun and social safety net policies they wanted.

The measures listed above along with legislative measures that would return the situation back to the "safe, legal, and rare" framework of the 90's would need to be a package deal.

The pro-life crowd would be right to be skeptical of conceding on those gun and safety provisions without it.

I say that because the states that are most ardently pro-choice already have those things, and still portray it as if it'd be a return to Handmaid's Tale if elective abortions get capped at 16 weeks.

NxNW · Saturday at 8:10 PM

RileyG said:
Not true.

Enlighten me.

NxNW · Saturday at 8:12 PM

RileyG said:
Why not both? People can care about both?

Do they?

RileyG said:
Good grief. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Is somebody claiming otherwise?

RileyG said:
And what “symbolic laws?” What on earth does that mean?

Laws passed for the sake of appearance. Like so many by the GOP, it's "theater".

NxNW · Saturday at 8:16 PM

ThatRobGuy said:
That's an agreeable arrangement.

I'm by no means a hardline pro-life person by any stretch...

However, I'm okay with the following
- Universal background checks and waiting periods for firearm purchases
- Additional early childcare funding
- Expanded healthcare access
- Expanded no-cost contraception
- Paid family leave for new mothers

Sounds good, but all things the GOP opposes.

ThatRobGuy said:
...but, there needs to be some sort of good faith gesture from the hardline pro-choice crowd that they'd be willing to make some concessions, and not just immediately keep doing the same things, using the same "clump of cells" talking points, and continuing to treat elective abortions as a "get out of responsibility free card" the moment they get the gun and social safety net policies they wanted.

The measures listed above along with legislative measures that would return the situation back to the "safe, legal, and rare" framework of the 90's would need to be a package deal.

If something is safe and legal, why should the government be limiting access?

ThatRobGuy said:
I say that because the states that are most ardently pro-choice already have those things, and still portray it as if it'd be a return to Handmaid's Tale if elective abortions get capped at 16 weeks.

Nobody's having elective third trimester abortions, though.

RileyG · Saturday at 8:24 PM

NxNW said:
Do they?

Is somebody claiming otherwise?

Laws passed for the sake of appearance. Like so many by the GOP, it's "theater".

Yes, some laws need to be better written and I don’t disagree with that at all. And YES, people can care about both. Good grief.

NxNW said:
Enlighten me.

Abortion is deliberate taking of a life. Sometimes miscarriage randomly occur.

Not ready to be a parent? Don’t have sex. Simple really.

Biology 101

(I’m not referring to sexual assault here, only consensual sex between two adults)

Actions lead to consequences.

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