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The voters had their preferences and commitments. Most of them knew hardly anything about the facts.
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Trump 1.0's National Security Advisor John Bolton's House Raided by FBI
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Either we have confidence in the justice system or we do not. We cannot dismiss the justice system as "bogus" when we disagree with its outcomes, nor can we claim it is accurate only when the verdict aligns with our preferences. Unfortunately, this pattern has become apparent among both sides of the American political spectrum. When liberals are dissatisfied with a court decision or trial result, they may allege bias or manipulation; similarly, when conservatives disapprove of an outcome, they label it as illegitimate. This parallels how the media is often treated: agreements are praised, while disagreements prompt accusations of bias. Such inconsistent attitudes undermine trust in these institutions.
Even if the charges and conviction were unfounded, there were 16 other GOP primary candidates available for nomination, but the conservative American chose to nominate Trump. Are you saying no GOP primary candidate in 2024 had stronger character, Christian values, or policies than President Trump?
I often hear from President Trump supporters, especially evangelicals, that they voted for him despite disliking his personality or character. They felt they had no choice, as voting for Democrats would mean supporting policies like expanded abortion access, increased focus on transgender issues, and more open borders for undocumented immigrants.
That statement is false. Evangelical Christians had over 30 options between 2016 and 2024, including ordained pastors like Mike Huckabee, devout Catholics like Rick Santorum, genuine born-again Christians like Mike Pence, proven conservatives like Nikki Haley or Asa Hutchinson. But they all voted and nominated for President Trump. In 2024, Mike Pence withdrew from the race before any primary votes were cast due to low levels of support.
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Worse Than We Imagined’: The Wall Street Journal Drops Scathing Editorial Torching Trump Over ‘Vindictive’ Bolton Raid
The Journal opened its editorial on the matter by observing that “President Trump promised voters during his campaign for a second term that he had bigger things on his mind than retribution against opponents. But it is increasingly clear that vengeance is a large part, maybe the largest part, of how he will define success in his second term.”
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Fortunately, guilt and innocence aren't determined by popular vote. That voters elected a criminal doesn't mean he's automatically innocent of his crimes.
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ONLY the liberals believe that President Donald Trump is a criminal.
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During the primaries, the GOP voters chose Donald Trump by large margins because they know that he is the very best choice. Trump's presidential record is proving us to be correct.
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Sure, as long as that is the definition of liberal you're using. Sensible conservatives can and do recognize his criminality. Not Maga, though; - they'd get kicked out of the club if they were to admit it.
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Well, the jury who saw the evidence of Trump's guilt believed it, beyond a reasonable doubt.
And their decision is the one that matters, so....
-- A2SG, but you're free to disagree with their lawful verdict, just so long as you realize it don't matter a hill o' beans....
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Based on the fake electors plot he is a criminal.
I am not liberal not that it would matter.
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Well, considering how most liberals do not view illegal immigrants as 'criminals' even though they had broken immigration laws, your question can go both ways.
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Thank you. This is an honest assessment of the reasons President Trump was elected. The decision seems to be based on selecting the "best choice" rather than considering character, integrity, personality, faith, or relationships.
Scripture says “ For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?”
American evangelical Christians have prioritize of their political agenda over their Christian value. For fifty years, American evangelicals emphasized the sanctity of marriage and the importance of character in leadership. Now, many prioritize policy outcomes over these values. While Christian teaching centers on humility and treating others well, many American Christians have chosen a leader who lacks humility.
It appears that the implementation of policies is now viewed as more important in the long term than practicing Christians value. However, as Jesus stated, "What good is it to gain the whole world and lose your soul?"
Over time, non-believers will associate Christians as inconsistent if their actions do not align with their teachings; for instance, advocating for the sanctity of marriage while supporting leader with multiple marriages, or preaching humility and kindness but selecting leaders whose values contradict those principles. Additionally, while asserting that individuals must seek God's forgiveness to attain salvation, some choose leaders who openly claim, "I have never done anything wrong that requires God's forgiveness." Do any of these actions bring glory to God? No, they do not. Instead, they may cause the non-believing world to view Christians as willing to do anything to achieve their goals.
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Evangelical voters chose Trump not because of his personal piety, but because his policies on topics like marriage and abortion advance Christian values. How else do you explain liberals accusations of "Christian Nationalism?" Bottom line, we vote of the policies, not the person.
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