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No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

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Then what do you make of this verse...

Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

Why are you cherry picking scripture by drawing conclusions from what you read in Romans 3 without making an effort to find out how to reconcile your understanding of Romans 3 with verses like Hebrews 11:6? If what you said was true then it could not be true that God rewards "those who diligently seek Him".

So, instead of just scratching the surface of scripture and only looking at your cherry picked scriptures, you need to look at all of scripture and dig deeper. What does it mean when it says none seek God in one verse and that God rewards those who diligently seek Him in another? Is that a contradiction? Of course not. We all know there are no contradictions in scripture. So, what do we do then? Just draw conclusions from one of these verses while ignoring the other? No, that is not acceptable.

The sense in which none seek God is that none naturally seek God without any intervention from God of any kind. As Paul said in Romans 10:17, "faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God". So, faith and seeking God don't just happen, but rather happen by hearing the word of God.

So, without the word of God, which contains the truth about God, no one will seek God. But, once someone hears and becomes aware of the word of God, then they must choose whether to seek God by looking further into the word of God or to reject God and suppress the truth found in His word. He rewards those who choose to diligently seek Him after hearing or becoming aware of His word. As Paul said in Romans 1:18-21, God's wrath is on those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness and they have no excuse for doing that. If what you said was true, then man would have an excuse for suppressing the truth in unrighteousness and not seeking God. His excuse would be that he just naturally suppresses the truth and does not seek God and can't help but to do so. But, there is no excuse because every person is capable of choosing to either respond favorably after hearing the word of God while seeking to learn more or to suppress the truth that they hear.
I am not sure what you think that scripture says that you are asking me what I make of it. The scripture says that you can’t please God without faith and that He rewards those who diligently seek Him.

The answer is that God GIVES us faith as a free gift (per Ephesians 2), and therefore we have the ability to seek Him and learn about Him through the presence of the Holy Spirit. He then rewards us with spiritual gifts to use for his glory. This scripture in no way suggests that somehow we manufacture faith on our own and seek Him out.
 
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Why would he refer to them as "holy brothers and sisters" if they included nonbelievers? Also, he was clearly only addressing believers there since nonbelievers didn't have any faith/confidence in the first place that they could keep until the end.
Do you believe that all the people who go to church with you (assuming you go to church, of course) are brothers and sisters in Christ? That every single one of them have a personal relationship with Christ?
 
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God must teach us and He will if we belong to Him of our total inability to believe in Christ and dispelling the myth of coming to Christ by our own freewill. Therefore teaching about mans total depravity and spiritual death is very important, this truth magnifies the truth that man doesnt have a freewill to come to Christ, hence Jn 6:44. By this the aim centers not on what man can do, his efforts or what have you ,to get saved but on Gods Sovereign Mercy and Grace and what He has done to save His People from their Sins Matt 1:21. One of this Great things is to be given life by the Mercy of God through Jesus Christ ! 15
 
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Those whom the Father draws are those whom He predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son Rom 8:29-30

29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

The call here is ,so that they may come to Christ. This call relates to the Fathers drawing, its the effectual call that goes out to His Chosen !
 
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Cast away from you all your transgressions which you have committed and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! For why will you die, O house of Israel? For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies,” declares the Lord GOD. “Therefore, repent and live.”
— Ezekiel 18:31-32


??!! :scratch:
 
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When God draws an individual its His Divine Call or Summons or Gathering in and which results in Faith in Christ. We know this because the ones He calls according to Rom 8:30 He also Justifies them Rom 8:30

30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

And that incudes Faith as promised Rom 3:30

Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

Gal 3:8


And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

Therefore, God's drawing is His calling/summon of the elect and it will be resulting in faith in Christ 15
 
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Cast away from you all your transgressions which you have committed and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! For why will you die, O house of Israel? For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies,” declares the Lord GOD. “Therefore, repent and live.”
— Ezekiel 18:31-32


??!! :scratch:
????
 
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Seems to describe free will, no? The human side to salvation.
There is a difference between God’s desire for His creation to choose Him over sin and man’s ability to do the same. That verse demonstrates God’s heart while verses like Romans 3:10-18, and Ezekiel 11:19-20, and John 6 show the reality of our ability to choose. In essence, we have no ability to choose. We can only choose out of our nature, and until we are redeemed we can only choose the detestable things that come from our own heart, which are exceedingly bad. Matthew 15:18-20 and Jeremiah 17:9.
 
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Seems to describe free will, no? The human side to salvation.
So humans dead in sin have the freewill ability to make themselves new hearts and Spirits ? Wow thats wonderful
 
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So humans dead in sin have the freewill ability to make themselves new hearts and Spirits ? Wow thats wonderful
It's the Bible that says it. Through repentance we get a new heart and Spirit.
 
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There is a difference between God’s desire for His creation to choose Him over sin and man’s ability to do the same. That verse demonstrates God’s heart while verses like Romans 3:10-18, and Ezekiel 11:19-20, and John 6 show the reality of our ability to choose. In essence, we have no ability to choose. We can only choose out of our nature, and until we are redeemed we can only choose the detestable things that come from our own heart, which are exceedingly bad. Matthew 15:18-20 and Jeremiah 17:9.
Is your stance what God in His heart wants them to do and what He commands them, they aren't able to do?
 
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It's the Bible that says it. Through repentance we get a new heart and Spirit.
But the bible does not say that sinners can make new hearts and spirits for themselves. It ascribes the salvation of sinners to God Himself. Look how many things God does in these verses:

“1 ¶ And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.”

“4 ¶ But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” (Eph 2:1-10 NKJV)

He makes the sinner alive, He loves those He saves, He raises the sinner up, making him sit in heavenly places. This is summed up by saying that being saved is the gift of God, and that saved sinners are His workmanship.
 
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But the bible does not say that sinners can make new hearts and spirits for themselves. It ascribes the salvation of sinners to God Himself. Look how many things God does in these verses:

“1 ¶ And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, 3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.”

“4 ¶ But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.” (Eph 2:1-10 NKJV)

He makes the sinner alive, He loves those He saves, He raises the sinner up, making him sit in heavenly places. This is summed up by saying that being saved is the gift of God, and that saved sinners are His workmanship.
I think it's an indirect description. We don't give ourselves a new heart or a new Spirit per se, but it's a consequence of repentance by which God gives us the new heart and the new Spirit. I believe God's command itself enables the sinner to repent. I think that is what we see in Ezekiel 18:31-32 togther with Ezekiel 11:19-20.

What Ephesians explains is what follows faith and repentance. Since it's by repentance and faith it's by grace instead of being by works.

even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (through faith) (by grace you have been saved),
— Ephesians 2:5

For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
— Ephesians 2:8
 
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I think it's an indirect description. We don't give ourselves new hearts or new Spirits directly, but it's a consequence of repentance. What you quoted from Ephesians is what follows repentance.
How can somebody "dead in trespasses and sins" turn from sin and turn to Christ? That is like suggesting that Lazarus had to come out of his tomb to Jesus in order to be brought back to life.
 
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How can somebody "dead in trespasses and sins" turn from sin and turn to Christ? That is like suggesting that Lazarus had to come out of his tomb to Jesus in order to be brought back to life.
I made some changes in my last post. You might want to change or add to your response.
 
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Is your stance what God in His heart wants them to do and what He commands them, they aren't able to do?
Essentially, yes. It’s been that way since Adam. Adam walked and talked with God. He, of all the people on earth, with the exception of Christ, had the ability to do what God desired of him, but even he failed. If he failed, being positionally in God, what hope do we have? Even after we are saved with God doing all the work for us, we are still tempted on a daily basis, and succumb on a daily basis, to sin.

It was God’s desire for His creation to become His people, and man chose, instead, to sin, separating us from God. It is not God’s fault we are separated, not having the ability to return, it is OUR fault.
 
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I think it's an indirect description. We don't give ourselves a new heart or a new Spirit per se, but it's a consequence of repentance by which God gives us the new heart and the new Spirit. I believe God's command itself enables the sinner to repent. I think that is what we see in Ezekiel 18:31-32 togther with Ezekiel 11:19-20.

What Ephesians explains is what follows faith and repentance. Since it's by repentance and faith it's by grace instead of being by works.

even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (through faith) (by grace you have been saved),
— Ephesians 2:5

For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;
— Ephesians 2:8
Repentance is a fruit of the Spirit. Unless you have already been saved and God turns your heart to himself, GRANTING you the gift of the Holy Spirit, then you have no hope of repenting. To do this your way is akin to working for your salvation, making it no longer a free gift but a wage which is owed.
 
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The drawing in Jn 6:44 ensures Faith in Christ, its not merely giving all men an opportunity to believe in Christ with their own freewill. Its not a juncture whereby they can either accept or reject Christ, its the calling into action the new life God has given them! f
 
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I made some changes in my last post. You might want to change or add to your response.
Christ as the exalted Saviour and Prince, gives repentance to Israel, an elect people and that causes them to repent, its something Christ accomplished for them He died for and saves Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Israel here is His church. So Salvation repentance and forgivenss of sins is limited as in limited atonement.
 
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