• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

Is This The New Normal?

rjs330

Well-Known Member
May 22, 2015
28,348
9,108
65
✟433,617.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Pentecostal
The Overton window done did shift a ways to the Right, 2004’s Centrist is 2025’s “radical leftist”.
The shift has been from more centrist to more radicalism and further left. Its undeniable. And we see that playing out in real time in New York with Mamdani. We'll see if Democrats wake up in time.

Did you see where he thought police shouldn't be involved in domestic abuse cases?
 
Upvote 0

BCP1928

Well-Known Member
Jan 30, 2024
8,913
4,514
82
Goldsboro NC
✟265,858.00
Country
United States
Faith
Other Religion
Marital Status
Married
The Overton window done did shift a ways to the Right, 2004’s Centrist is 2025’s “radical leftist”.
The thing is, there are two Overton Windoes--one for social liberals/conservatives and another for economic liberals/conservatives. There is consederl overlap, of course, but they are not the same and ought to be considered separately.
 
Upvote 0

BCP1928

Well-Known Member
Jan 30, 2024
8,913
4,514
82
Goldsboro NC
✟265,858.00
Country
United States
Faith
Other Religion
Marital Status
Married
The shift has been from more centrist to more radicalism and further left. Its undeniable. And we see that playing out in real time in New York with Mamdani. We'll see if Democrats wake up in time.

Did you see where he thought police shouldn't be involved in domestic abuse cases?
Not without special training, anyway. Basically it's a good idea.
 
Upvote 0

rjs330

Well-Known Member
May 22, 2015
28,348
9,108
65
✟433,617.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Pentecostal
Not without special training, anyway. Basically it's a good idea.
Its a terrible idea. The police in every state have specialized training now. Its not 70s anymore.

Domestic violence scenarios are some of the worst things you can respond to. They are frought with danger. You have to have specialized training to deal with them and determine what occurred and who needs to get arrested. Social workers would have no clue and would have no ability to arrest anyone.

It doesn't appear you have any idea what you are talking about. And neither does Mamdani. Unless he doesn't see them as any big deal. I wonder why.
 
Upvote 0

BCP1928

Well-Known Member
Jan 30, 2024
8,913
4,514
82
Goldsboro NC
✟265,858.00
Country
United States
Faith
Other Religion
Marital Status
Married
Its a terrible idea. The police in every state have specialized training now. Its not 70s anymore.
OK, sure.
Domestic violence scenarios are some of the worst things you can respond to. They are frought with danger. You have to have specialized training to deal with them and determine what occurred and who needs to get arrested. Social workers would have no clue and would have no ability to arrest anyone.
Why not? Do you think a person with that kind of training cannot become a sworn officer?
It doesn't appear you have any idea what you are talking about. And neither does Mamdani. Unless he doesn't see them as any big deal. I wonder why.
 
Upvote 0

rjs330

Well-Known Member
May 22, 2015
28,348
9,108
65
✟433,617.00
Gender
Male
Faith
Pentecostal
Why not? Do you think a person with that kind of training cannot become a sworn officer?
Sure a socual worker could be a sworn officer, but then they would be a police officer. Ive worked with a LOT of social workers over 40 years. Not one of them was interested in becoming a police officer. What I heard from them most often was they couldn't do what police do. They could deal with what police had to deal with.

They have zero training or education on how to deal with people in immediate crisis and in a violent state. Or in dealing with people who are intoxicated, or on drugs to the point where there is no reasoning with them.

In our community we have a mental health team who responds to people who are in mental health crisis. We dont have enough of them and dont have enough who are interested in doing that work. But they don't respond to people who are armed with a weapon, nor acting violent or on drugs or highly intoxicated. You know who they want to respond? The police.
 
Upvote 0

Pommer

CoPacEtiC SkEpTic
Sep 13, 2008
22,687
14,009
Earth
✟246,054.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Deist
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Democrat
The shift has been from more centrist to more radicalism and further left. Its undeniable. And we see that playing out in real time in New York with Mamdani. We'll see if Democrats wake up in time.

Did you see where he thought police shouldn't be involved in domestic abuse cases?
I’m not a citizen of New York (City nor State), and don’t concern myself with their local politics.
 
Upvote 0

essentialsaltes

Fact-Based Lifeform
Oct 17, 2011
42,583
45,695
Los Angeles Area
✟1,015,576.00
Country
United States
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Legal Union (Other)

'Boston will not back down': Mayor Michelle Wu responds to Trump's sanctuary city ultimatum

Wu and 31 mayors from across the country received letters from U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi warning communities to identify "the immediate initiatives you are taking to eliminate laws, policies, and practices that impede federal immigration enforcement."

In her letter to Bondi, Wu said state law places clear limitations on participation in federal immigration enforcement, and she reaffirmed the city's commitment to protecting all residents.

"On behalf of the people of Boston, and in solidarity with cities and communities targeted by this federal administration for our refusal to bow down to unconstitutional threats and unlawful coercion, we affirm our support for each other and for our democracy. Boston will never back down from being a beacon of freedom, and a home for everyone," Wu wrote.

WCVB did reach out to the Justice Department, but a spokesperson pointed to an interview where Bondi said if cities don't comply, they will cut off federal funding or send in law enforcement.
 
Upvote 0

Vambram

Born-again Christian; Constitutional conservative
Site Supporter
Dec 3, 2006
7,932
5,741
60
Saint James, Missouri
✟375,978.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican

'Boston will not back down': Mayor Michelle Wu responds to Trump's sanctuary city ultimatum

Wu and 31 mayors from across the country received letters from U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi warning communities to identify "the immediate initiatives you are taking to eliminate laws, policies, and practices that impede federal immigration enforcement."

In her letter to Bondi, Wu said state law places clear limitations on participation in federal immigration enforcement, and she reaffirmed the city's commitment to protecting all residents.

"On behalf of the people of Boston, and in solidarity with cities and communities targeted by this federal administration for our refusal to bow down to unconstitutional threats and unlawful coercion, we affirm our support for each other and for our democracy. Boston will never back down from being a beacon of freedom, and a home for everyone," Wu wrote.

WCVB did reach out to the Justice Department, but a spokesperson pointed to an interview where Bondi said if cities don't comply, they will cut off federal funding or send in law enforcement.
Why do progressive liberal politicians believe city laws take precedence above federal law?
 
Upvote 0

essentialsaltes

Fact-Based Lifeform
Oct 17, 2011
42,583
45,695
Los Angeles Area
✟1,015,576.00
Country
United States
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Legal Union (Other)
Why do progressive liberal politicians believe city laws take precedence above federal law?
It's not so much precedence as jurisdiction. Federal police (like ICE) enforce federal laws where people go to federal courts for federal justice. It's not the job of local police or DAs.
 
Upvote 0

Vambram

Born-again Christian; Constitutional conservative
Site Supporter
Dec 3, 2006
7,932
5,741
60
Saint James, Missouri
✟375,978.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
It's not so much precedence as jurisdiction. Federal police (like ICE) enforce federal laws where people go to federal courts for federal justice. It's not the job of local police or DAs.
Incorrect. When cities give sanctuary to illegal immigrants, those cities are breaking federal immigration laws.
 
  • Like
Reactions: A New Dawn
Upvote 0

essentialsaltes

Fact-Based Lifeform
Oct 17, 2011
42,583
45,695
Los Angeles Area
✟1,015,576.00
Country
United States
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Legal Union (Other)
Incorrect. When cities give sanctuary to illegal immigrants, those cities are breaking federal immigration laws.
Baloney. What's typically meant by 'sanctuary' is that local police are forbidden (by law) from helping federal immigration do its work for them in certain circumstances. Not doing someone else's job is not a crime.
 
Upvote 0

Vambram

Born-again Christian; Constitutional conservative
Site Supporter
Dec 3, 2006
7,932
5,741
60
Saint James, Missouri
✟375,978.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
Baloney. What's typically meant by 'sanctuary' is that local police are forbidden (by law) from helping federal immigration do its work for them in certain circumstances. Not doing someone else's job is not a crime.
Baloney. The city sanctuary laws are preventing criminal illegal immigrants from being deported. The sanctuary city laws are attempting to circumvent federal law enforcement from doing their jobs by making it far more difficult and dangerous for federal law enforcement.
 
Upvote 0

GoldenBoy89

We're Still Here
Sep 25, 2012
26,213
28,920
LA
✟639,192.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Humanist
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Democrat
Baloney. The city sanctuary laws are preventing criminal illegal immigrants from being deported. The sanctuary city laws are attempting to circumvent federal law enforcement from doing their jobs by making it far more difficult and dangerous for federal law enforcement.
And yet, it is our right to pass these laws, per the 10th Amendment to the Constitution.
 
Upvote 0

Vambram

Born-again Christian; Constitutional conservative
Site Supporter
Dec 3, 2006
7,932
5,741
60
Saint James, Missouri
✟375,978.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
Upvote 0

Vambram

Born-again Christian; Constitutional conservative
Site Supporter
Dec 3, 2006
7,932
5,741
60
Saint James, Missouri
✟375,978.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
And yet, it is our right to pass these laws, per the 10th Amendment to the Constitution.
If so, then it is also the right of the federal government to deny federal funds to sanctuary states and sanctuary cities.
 
Upvote 0

GoldenBoy89

We're Still Here
Sep 25, 2012
26,213
28,920
LA
✟639,192.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Humanist
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Democrat
Is this the new normal?

Sounds more like a problem with Uber's own internal vetting processes.

"Attorneys claim the rideshare giant is negligent in screening, hiring and monitoring drivers, leading to safety risks for its riders."

This is a problem whether their drivers are here to work legally or not.
 
Upvote 0

GoldenBoy89

We're Still Here
Sep 25, 2012
26,213
28,920
LA
✟639,192.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Humanist
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Democrat
If so, then it is also the right of the federal government to deny federal funds to sanctuary states and sanctuary cities.
Of course and I would expect nothing less from this petty, authoritarian regime who wants everyone to bend oover and comply with their demands. As we see with Boston, sanctuary cities are standing up to this federal bully.
 
Upvote 0

Pommer

CoPacEtiC SkEpTic
Sep 13, 2008
22,687
14,009
Earth
✟246,054.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Deist
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Democrat
Incorrect. When cities give sanctuary to illegal immigrants, those cities are breaking federal immigration laws.
Funny how quickly conservatives cottoned to the concept of Big Government.
 
Upvote 0