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I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom
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Hence your spin on yet another form of works gospel.
Jesus worked to save himself and you can too if you play the ambivalence card and never commit to actually having a thought one way or the other.
Oh, don't eat the fruit and save yourself!
I've seen enough iterations of that angle too. Sorry. Doesn't fly
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Your claim is essentially just another form of "works gospel." Jesus did your above claim to not separate himself from "the Truth,"
and you can too....
Which IS a works arrangement.
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He certainly didn't "make Himself" that way. Nor does it follow that when we supposedly do the same we make ourselves that way also.
No one "decides" their way to heaven. And Jesus has always been One with the Father from endless eternity past to forever. No start, no finish. God.
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Jesus said he could do nothing of himself and therefor neither can we ... to not lean on your own understanding is to cease from your own works\labor, which is to enter into His finished works and one and the same as to enter into His rest .... and this being the narrow path few find
A man’s heart plans his course, but the LORD determines his steps.
Many plans are in a mans heart, but the purpose of the Lord will prevail.
“Come now, let us reason together,” says the LORD. “Though your sins are like scarlet, they will be as white as snow;
to reason with God is not of works ... but the ceasing from it ...
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by faith ...
Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for You are with me; Your rod and Your staff, they comfort me.
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That's because God is within us. All people. 1 John 4:7
IF we are born here, as humans, through water, the birth sack, we're God's children. Matt. 23:9
When we are engaged in trying to "make ourselves" that is a false gospel that seeks to make "me" better than "you" or differentiate the baseline
God does have other things going on with all of us. The judgment of the wicked messengers transpires in the collective as well.
Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Some wrestle wittingly. Some clueless. Some in denial. But ALL wrestle, regardless and are therefore in service to God in these events.
It's also reasoning to stop being a lying hypocrite and claim exemption from the match
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You said …
“The children of God are going through and the children of the devil are going to be left behind and sent to the fire at some point. No child of the devil that we all bear regardless of choices, is making it past the gate.”
I asked about the above …
What are these children of the devil that you are referring to?
My 2nd question put another way is, How was Jesus tempted?
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It still amazes me how the tree yields its fruit through obedience ...
For most the verse “Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.” is far off, and filled with the labor (by thought) to be, when it is through rest that we enter or rather, find where we have always been from the beginning …
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considering i believe this to be true of all ... For God is the One working in you both to will and to work according to His good pleasure. how is it then that i ... as you say seek to make myself better than another ... what gave you this impression that i believe myself better than anyone else, as it has not come from me ... now if you also consider that i have made no claim to being exempt of the process and the scrip is clear all fall short and are subject to bondage etc ... is it not then fair to say that you have interpreted what i write by preconceived thoughts of your own or in other words what you measure is measured back to you, which says more of you than of me ...
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It's been answered:
The spirit of disobedience, the anti-Christ spirit, the tare, the children of the flesh, the goat, the children of the wicked one. ALL unseen agents, not our neighbors, not people. They are the evil that is present within everyone. They are what we have all been bound to in the flesh.
The same Satan that spoke from the lips of Peter and entered Judas still speaks from people and enters people today. Satan is a real agent, not some form of "human reasoning or making choices" you deem a covering.
Externally.
From what I managed to squeeze out of your position it seems that Jesus was his own devil
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Paul explains what he means by a child born after the flesh, just as he explained that Israel in his present day was who “God hath concluded them all in unbelief” ;as I said, “all” obviously did not mean every last one of them, or all of mankind … all the same, Abraham would have never had an Ishmael if Sarah had not taken thought to fulfill it, just as we would have had no sin if God had not said. (not of works is what the theme was ) ... which reflects the process happening in us ... "For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."
The soul and it’s thoughts is/are one of the central themes of the Bible … as a woman and her children (in relationship to the son we are) ...
The word of God that is life becomes a serpent when cast down ... but all to the same purpose or "For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end. Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you. And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart."
"From what I managed to squeeze out of your position it seems" that thought had nothing to do with anything, let alone the temptation of Jesus ...
To me hell is as allegorical as the literal Israel is, the difference being one I can see with my five natural senses (but what is in a word), the other an experience between my ears much like the temptation and obedience of Christ ...
God calls all to reason with him, and in so doing you become clean, without the literal shedding of blood ...
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Everyone has an Ishmael and an Isaac. 1 Cor. 15:42-46, Gal. 4:24-29
The son of the flesh is pinpointed in Acts 26:18, 2 Cor. 3:14, 2 Cor. 4:4, Eph. 2:2, 1 John 3:8
IF you only see people in these equations, it only speaks to the reality of Mark 4:15, which happened in the garden and continues to this day.
I don't consider anyone who can't be truthful about the hard line fact of having evil lawless thoughts as anything resembling clean and everything resembling lying hypocrisy.
Nothing personal. It's just what devils do in people, and I don't exempt myself from their workings
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People are God's children, bound with the spirit of disobedience in the flesh that is not them. Acts 26:18, 2 Cor. 4:4, Eph. 2:2, 1 John 3:8, Mark 4:15
So who's the culprit in that? It's not the people.
IF you see only people you see only their flesh. There's more going on inside the cup
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