Antisemitism all time high in UK

Landon Caeli · Wednesday at 8:46 AM

Desk trauma said:
Worked so well in Iraq and Afghanistan. Clearly we, not Israel obviously, need to continue such success elsewhere in the Islamic world.

I agree we may never get Easterners to adopt Western ways, but when there's a large population of Westerners, who so choose to congregate within the geographical East, we must protect them from molestation, and all the other abominations.

...Someone has to.

Larniavc · Wednesday at 8:57 AM

Landon Caeli said:
The UK can hate us just like they hate the Jews. I want them to.

...Because I don't want anything to do with those people anyways. All respect is lost.

Any genetic traces to there, I disown.

I think you are conflating people who hate Jews (on the left and the right) with everyone in the United Kingdom.

I know it’ll probably fall on deaf ears but we must try not to think of a population as expressing cultural homogeneity in any given social issue.

A lot of UK residents have no feelings either way about Jews.

BCP1928 · Wednesday at 9:01 AM

Landon Caeli said:
I agree we may never get Easterners to adopt Western ways, but when there's a large population of Westerners, who so choose to congregate within the geographical East, we must protect them from molestation, and all the other abominations.

...Someone has to.

Why? If they choose to move there they should take their chances, just like anybody else who moves into a new cultural environment.

Larniavc · Wednesday at 9:07 AM

MyOwnSockPuppet said:
I don't think the Jewish diaspora in the UK are anything like as cohesive as they are in the US - according to the JPR institute the split in June last year was more or less 45% Labour to 30% Conservative, which as splits go is roughly similar to the UK popular vote as a whole in the last election

As racist as the UK definitely is it is not nearly as social entrenched as it once was (and American now is).

You certainly don’t get respectable politicians claiming ‘it wasn’t so bad back then’. It was; the Conservatives over here thought it was fine to run for office with the slogan “If you want a [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] for a neighbour, vote Labour.”

Larniavc · Wednesday at 9:08 AM

timewerx said:
If anything, God has been very merciful towards the Jews so far.

Apart from the millions who died in WWll of course.

Larniavc · Wednesday at 9:11 AM

BCP1928 said:
And you think Palestinians are an Islamist regime? You seem to be talking about Shiites.

They could just stay here. The Secretary of Defense is advocating for a program in which woman who are not in traditional Christian marriages should be subject to compulsory military service.

Sounds very much like being sent to the colonies in the Handmaid’s Tale.

Landon Caeli · Wednesday at 9:35 AM

BCP1928 said:
Why? If they choose to move there they should take their chances, just like anybody else who moves into a new cultural environment.

Oh, I see the barbarism already creeping in. That's the natural subconscious mind doing it's job, and we don't even see, or know it's happening until it's happened.

Take caution!

No... When a ship begins to sink, we don't throw our hands up in the air and say: "well, they were the idiots who decided to put their own lives at risk, let's not help"... I could go on and on with endless examples of why barbarism is a flawed alternative to civility.

BCP1928 · Wednesday at 9:40 AM

Landon Caeli said:
Oh, I see the barbarism already creeping in. That's the natural subconscious mind doing it's job, and we don't even see, or know it's happening until it's happened.

No..! When a ship begins to sink, we don't throw our hands up in the air and say: "well, they were the idiots who decided to put their own lives at risk, let's not help"... I could go on and on with endless examples of why your barbarism is a flawed take on civility.

But you haven't answered my question. You almost sound as if your think that anything but Western culture is barbaric.

Landon Caeli · Wednesday at 9:48 AM

BCP1928 said:
But you haven't answered my question. You almost sound as if your think that anything but Western culture is barbaric.

There is nothing wrong with acknowledging that some cultures are inferior. The Aztec culture, with it's human sacrifice, for example was inferior.

...All roads may lead to Rome, and there may be many paths to a single destination... But there's only one best way. Remember that

BCP1928 · Wednesday at 9:55 AM

Landon Caeli said:
There is nothing wrong with acknowledging that some cultures are inferior. The Aztec culture, with it's human sacrifice, for example was inferior.

It's not a question of acknowledgement, it's just an opinion: Which was superior? Aztec human sacrifice? Or death by torture at the hands of the Inquisition--which was happening at about the same time?

Landon Caeli said:
...All roads may lead to Rome, and there may be many paths to a single destination... But there's only one best way. Remember that

How do you know which one that is?

Landon Caeli · Wednesday at 10:29 AM

BCP1928 said:
It's not a question of acknowledgement, it's just an opinion: Which was superior? Aztec human sacrifice? Or death by torture at the hands of the Inquisition--which was happening at about the same time?

How do you know which one that is?

I guess this is just where the road splits in our thinking... We disagree

Hans Blaster · Wednesday at 11:43 AM

Landon Caeli said:
I agree we may never get Easterners to adopt Western ways, but when there's a large population of Westerners, who so choose to congregate within the geographical East, we must protect them from molestation, and all the other abominations.

...Someone has to.

If you can't get Easterners to adopt to Western ways, then how is it that you are calling Jewish migrants and settlers (over the last century) Westerners in the East? I have been repeatedly told that that land is theirs by birthright as their ancestral homeland. Is theirs not an Eastern culture and religion?

LizaMarie · Wednesday at 11:52 AM

Landon Caeli said:
Well yeah, if you're an anti-semite, that's what you'll think.

Yes, because apparently even here in the United States, there are people who think non-Israeli Jews are collectively responsible for what the government of Israel does, (which they have no say in) just read some social media and look at the increasing amount of violence and hatred towards Jewish people in the US and Europe. It's the 1930's all over again, it seems. I hope not.

Landon Caeli · Wednesday at 1:17 PM

Hans Blaster said:
If you can't get Easterners to adopt to Western ways, then how is it that you are calling Jewish migrants and settlers (over the last century) Westerners in the East? I have been repeatedly told that that land is theirs by birthright as their ancestral homeland. Is theirs not an Eastern culture and religion?

They can no longer be considered Eastern after the diaspora. Now they're multicultural, just like the United States, made up of immigrants from over 100 countries.

...If any two countries in the world should be supporting Israel, it's the United States and the United Kingdom.

BCP1928 · Wednesday at 2:24 PM

Landon Caeli said:
They can no longer be considered Eastern after the diaspora. Now they're multicultural, just like the United States, made up of immigrants from over 100 countries.

...If any two countries in the world should be supporting Israel, it's the United States and the United Kingdom.

The issue is not support, but uncritical support.

Hans Blaster · Wednesday at 2:29 PM

Landon Caeli said:
They can no longer be considered Eastern after the diaspora. Now they're multicultural, just like the United States, made up of immigrants from over 100 countries.

So it would appear that Easterners can integrate into "the West". Would you like to change your claim to the contrary? (Post #61)

Landon Caeli said:
...If any two countries in the world should be supporting Israel, it's the United States and the United Kingdom.

Why?

Larniavc · Thursday at 3:45 AM

Landon Caeli said:
"well, they were the idiots who decided to put their own lives at risk, let's not help"

You seem to be forgetting the common American refrain of “it’s their fault for making poor life choices”.

Larniavc · Thursday at 3:49 AM

Landon Caeli said:
Now they're multicultural,

Again: you can’t say that kind of thing about an entire section of society. SOME are multicultural but some are very much not.

Please try to imagine humanity with a pinch of granularity instead of making sweeping authoritative statements about huge swathes of people.

Landon Caeli · Thursday at 6:48 AM

Hans Blaster said:
So it would appear that Easterners can integrate into "the West". Would you like to change your claim to the contrary? (Post #61)

You're misinterpreting post 61.

I never said anything about integrating into the West, I was trying to say that we can't go into geographical Eastern countries, like Afghanistan, and turn the whole place into a little America - That doesn't work, as it's been tried.

Landon Caeli · Thursday at 6:49 AM

Larniavc said:
You seem to be forgetting the common American refrain of “it’s their fault for making poor life choices”.

As An American, I've never heard that phrase before.

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