Antisemitism all time high in UK

BCP1928 said:

Jews live in Palestine already for four hundred years under the Ottomans.

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But when the whiter ones came, racists wanted them out. Yes... RACISTS.

Landon Caeli said:

Why aren't they?

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You should make a case for it instead of demanding people mindlessly agreeing with you without any reasons.

So go ahead and make your case, I will respond.

Daniel Carlton said:

You should make a case for it instead of demanding people mindlessly agreeing with you without any reasons.

So go ahead and make your case, I will respond.

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What is it that you're doubting about what I said? Are you suggesting that there was no racism against European Jews since the start of their migration process? If that’s what you need evidence for, just say so. If it's something else, be specific on what you disagree with

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Here's a good example that depicts Arab racists attacking Jews in 1921:

Jaffa riots - Wikipedia Jaffa riots - Wikipedia

"Dozens of British, Arab, and Jewish witnesses all reported that Arab men bearing clubs, knives, swords, and some pistols broke into Jewish buildings and murdered their inhabitants, while women followed to loot. They attacked Jewish pedestrians and destroyed Jewish homes and stores. They beat and killed Jews in their homes, including children, and in some cases split open the victims' skulls"

stevevw said:

There is no genocide or ethnic cleansing going on in Gaza. This is proporganda by antisemites. One of the criteria for genocide is stopping new borns so the ethnic group cannot grow.

Yet there have been more babies born in Gaza than before the conflict. Why is that if the Isreali's are wanting to wipe out the Palestinians.

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That is just one of five acts that can be used in commiting genocide, it isn't a required act.

Article II of the 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

1. Killing members of the group;
2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Any one of the above acts is sufficient to constitute genocide if the act is committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Even if more babies are being born in Gaza today than before the conflict, Israel could still be guilty of genocide if it can be shown that their actions have been done with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, the Palestinian people in Gaza.

stevevw said:

Palestinians live and work in Isreal, Palestinian Arabs are something like 20% of the population. They can become bosses over Isrealis in business, be judges over Isrealis in the legal system, and be politicians over Isrealis. So why would Isreal allow this is it was ethnic cleansing or genocide.

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According to the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Israel can still be found guilty of Genoceide against the Palestinian people, despite the living conditions and privileges they may enjoy inside Israel.

"Genocide can also be committed against only a part of the group, as long as that part is identifiable (including within a geographically limited area) and “substantial.”

JosephZ said:

That is just one of five acts that can be used in commiting genocide, it isn't a required act.

Article II of the 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

1. Killing members of the group;
2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Any one of the above acts is sufficient to constitute genocide if the act is committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Even if more babies are being born in Gaza today than before the conflict, Israel could still be guilty of genocide if it can be shown that their actions have been done with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, the Palestinian people in Gaza.

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Except allowing more babies to be born today is in itself contrary to "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group".

This shows there is no intent to destroy in part or whole and in fact allow the group to increase and live.

The IDF are warning people before they go in to areas looking for Hamas and the hostages. No war is a good war but the Isrealis are not intending to wipe out the Gazans. Only Hamas.

In fact Isreal has conducted one of the most careful and targeted wars in history. They could have just entirely bombed Gaza being so small. There is a lot of propaganda where the actual intentional harm and genocide is from these radicals.

Their manifesto declares exterminating the Jews from the face of the earth. Isreal has many Arabs living in their own nation including politicians and judges.

Stop trying to equate the Isrealis with Hamas. No one is saying the Isrealis have not made some very bad mistakes. But to say they are intentionally wanting to wipe the Gazans out is unreal when they already have a proven lived reality of living peacefully with them in their own nation.

All they want is a neighbour who will treat them as they are treating the neighbours. The only people stopping all this is these radicals. The sooner they are gone the better and then Gaza can begin to get on with life.

JosephZ said:

According to the UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Israel can still be found guilty of Genoceide against the Palestinian people, despite the living conditions and privileges they may enjoy inside Israel.

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I just find it interesting that there is all this fixation of trying to find something, anything, against Isreal when for years we have had clear and definite genocide all around the world and never such a fixation with these other nations.

JosephZ said:

"Genocide can also be committed against only a part of the group, as long as that part is identifiable (including within a geographically limited area) and “substantial.”

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The UN has lost all credibility. It sits there silent on all the nations who are actually committing genocide and has the hide to then allow those same nations to make accusations against Isreal over and over again. Never once brings any charges against these genocidal nations.


We can now add to that. Gaza where are your Jews, Yemen, where are your Jews and Iran where are your Jews.

Why has no one ever been fixated and outraged why Jews have been wiped out in all these nations. Turn a blind eye to the real genocide.

Then to compound it by siding with those who are committing the real genocide against the actual victim of that genocide while at the same time creating the false narrative that the victimn is actually the perpetrator of genocide.

They will search high and low for the smallest chink to be judge, jury and exeutioner over Isreal and yet turn a blend eye or at the very least not apply the same level of scrutiny to more obvious wrongs right before their eyes. Its the worst form of hypocracy and all credibility is lost.

The sad thing is many in the west are falling for this false narrative. Which is exactly what these genocidal radicals want.

JosephZ said:

That is just one of five acts that can be used in commiting genocide, it isn't a required act.

Article II of the 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

1. Killing members of the group;
2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

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What about breaking into homes and murdering entire families, including children, and breaking open their skulls with clubs. Would that be considered genocide?

Landon Caeli said:

What about breaking into homes and murdering entire families, including children, and breaking open their skulls with clubs. Would that be considered genocide?

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If those acts were not isolated and done with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, then yes, that would be considered genocide.

Hamas preaches genocide for all ages.

JosephZ said:

If those acts were not isolated and done with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, then yes, that would be considered genocide.

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Well, Wikipedia calls it a riot, but I'd say it's part of a much larger problem altogether, such as hatred of a particular ethnic group (Westernized Jews).

...Some people seem to act like Westerners deserve absolutely zero protections when outside of their geographical prison. I happen to disagree.

The world can't hold us here forever.

timewerx said:

They can still fix this by Israel paying for the all the damages they did to Northern Gaza and even helping in rebuilding.

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Hamas is the culprit as it attacked Israel during a time of PEACE, and murdered over 1,200 innocent people and kidnaped over 300 more to use as bargaining chips. Hamas is vilely terroristic and evil, and needs to be exterminated from he earth. But a very serious problem is that most Palestinians SUPPORT Hamas and allow members to live in their midst. So Israel will never be safe until the Palestinians are removed and dispersed out into the neighboring Arab nations, and Israel takes over Palestine. That is reasonable and good.

Landon Caeli said:

Well, Wikipedia calls it a riot, but I'd say it's part of a much larger problem altogether, such as hatred of a particular ethnic group (Westernized Jews).

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The event that took place in Jaffa in 1921 was definitely a riot and not an act of genocide. Here are some excerpts from the Wikipedia source you quoted:

About 45,000 people lived in Jaffa at the time, roughly half of them Muslims, a third Jews, and the rest Christians.

The first shots had apparently been fired to disperse a procession marching from Jaffa to Tel Aviv without a permit. The parade had been organized by the Jewish Communist Party, officially called the Socialist Workers Party, though its opponents used an acronym of the party’s Hebrew name to nickname it “Mops,” which means “pug dog” in German. The previous night the party had sent boys out to distribute leaflets in Arabic and Yiddish emblazoned with slogans calling on the workers to topple the British regime and establish the Soviet Union of Palestine.

Meanwhile in Tel Aviv, a large May Day parade had been organized by Achdut HaAvoda, the major Jewish labor party at the time, and sanctioned by the authorities. Tensions ran high between the rival parties. At some point the communists and Achdut HaAvoda people ran into one another, and a fistfight ensued. The police chased the “Mopsies” members back in the direction of Jaffa, where the Communist parade clashed with Arabs, who were equally unsympathetic to a Soviet Union of Palestine.

Dozens of witnesses—Jewish, Arab, and British—all told the same story: Arab men broke into Jewish buildings and murdered the occupants; women came afterward and looted. Bearing clubs, knives, swords, and in some cases pistols, Arabs attacked Jewish pedestrians and destroyed Jewish homes and stores. They beat and killed Jews, children included, in their homes; in some cases they split the victims’ skulls open.

Arab accounts of the Jewish violence are very similar to the Jewish testimonies about the Arab riots. The Jews looted homes and stores. They broke into Arab houses, beating and killing the occupants; in one house, a woman and child were murdered. A hunchbacked Arab and his children were killed in an orange grove; their bodies were disfigured. A Jewish policeman took part.

A commission of inquiry later appointed to investigate the riots found that the fight between the communists and Achdut HaAvoda was the spark that lit the fire and described the riots as “an orgy of pillage.” Many witnesses identified their neighbors among the attackers and murderers; in some places Arabs had come to the defense of Jews and gave them refuge in their houses.

A total of 47 Jews and 48 Arabs were killed in the disturbances, and the wounded numbered 146 Jews and 73 Arabs.

There is no evidence that the Jaffa riots were premeditated. Arab leaders and spokesmen, first and foremost Musa Kazim al-Husseini, condemned them.

The Arabs put together a petition that they submitted to the League of Nations, in which they expressed their grievances; the essence of their demands—independence and democracy—remained unchanged through the end of the Mandate.

Skycastle777 said:

Hamas is vilely terroristic and evil, and needs to be exterminated from he earth. But a very serious problem is that most Palestinians SUPPORT Hamas and allow members to live in their midst.

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Most Palestinians do not support Hamas. According to polls taken in 2024 and 2025, support for Hamas ranges between 24–38%. As for Palestinians allowing Hamas to live in their midst; Palestinians in Gaza live in an environment where turning against Hamas could pose significant risks to their lives. They allow Hamas to operate in Gaza mostly because they are afraid that if they refuse, they will be its next victims. In the past, when people criticized Hamas or tried to organize rebellion against the group, they were often severely injured or even killed for doing so.

Below is an article from a year ago.

In a survey published in May by the Arab World Research and Development group (AWRAD) in Ramallah, just 24% of the respondents in Gaza said they had "positive" feelings about Hamas. When asked about whether things in Palestine were heading in the right or wrong direction, 70% of Gazans said "wrong" and just 27% said "right."

In its poll, the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PSR) shows more support for Hamas. In July, 38% of Gazans said that they support Hamas. According to this poll, 24% favor the secular Fatah party, while 15% support third parties, and 24% said they don't know.

Unsurprising. There are far too many Muslims here and in Europe.

But people are waking up.

JosephZ said:

Most Palestinians do not support Hamas. According to polls taken in 2024 and 2025, support for Hamas ranges between 24–38%. As for Palestinians allowing Hamas to live in their midst; Palestinians in Gaza live in an environment where turning against Hamas could pose significant risks to their lives. They allow Hamas to operate in Gaza mostly because they are afraid that if they refuse, they will be its next victims. In the past, when people criticized Hamas or tried to organize rebellion against the group, they were often severely injured or even killed for doing so.

Below is an article from a year ago.

In a survey published in May by the Arab World Research and Development group (AWRAD) in Ramallah, just 24% of the respondents in Gaza said they had "positive" feelings about Hamas. When asked about whether things in Palestine were heading in the right or wrong direction, 70% of Gazans said "wrong" and just 27% said "right."

In its poll, the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PSR) shows more support for Hamas. In July, 38% of Gazans said that they support Hamas. According to this poll, 24% favor the secular Fatah party, while 15% support third parties, and 24% said they don't know.

Has Palestinians' perception of Hamas changed? – DW – 08/23/2024

Ten months into the Israel-Hamas war in Gaza, criticism on the street of the militant group Hamas appears to be growing. But gauging public opinion during a war is difficult.

www.dw.com

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Hamas are outnumbered thousands to one by regular people in Gaza.

The risk to their lives by uprooting them is no greater than the risk to their lives by allowing those swines to use them as human shields and their corpses as propaganda.

If they wanted to end this, they could. They could force Hamas out, they could force the release of hostages, which between the millions of people they surely know the locations of, and they could ensure no one like Hamas takes power again.

If they wanted to. Alas, we saw the videos on day one of people in the streets celebrating the attacks on Israel. We saw the stripped corpse of a murdered woman paraded through the streets in an open-back truck being slapped and spat on by 'ordinary' people. They're consumed by their hatred, so maybe they can't put that aside.

Either way, as things stand, while the regular citizens allow this to continue, the two cannot coexist, and that means Israel will displace them, and I can't blame them.

If the tables were turned and Hamas and Palestinians were the militarily superior force then 7th October would have been a glimpse at what they'd set out to do to the Jews and Israelis.

High Fidelity said:

Hamas are outnumbered thousands to one by regular people in Gaza.

The risk to their lives by uprooting them is no greater than the risk to their lives by allowing those swines to use them as human shields and their corpses as propaganda.

If they wanted to end this, they could. They could force Hamas out, they could force the release of hostages, which between the millions of people they surely know the locations of, and they could ensure no one like Hamas takes power again.

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Let's say a young man was born on an island where his parents voted for a group that they thought at the time would benefit their lives. After this group was elected, it forcefully took control of the island and decided not to hold any further elections, and the island has had this group as its governing body ever since. It turns out this group likes to attack a nearby island, and in return, the nearby island often retaliates with a force ten times that of the group on his island. In the past, when people criticized the group or tried to remove them from power, their efforts were quickly crushed, and individuals who tried to organize rebellion against the group were often severely injured or even killed for doing so.

This young man is now an adult, married, and has three small children. He's unhappy living under the leadership of the group his parents helped vote into power and tired of the conflict it's having with the neighboring island and the suffering it brings. Despite the hardships and suffering this group brings to the island, 1 in 3 of his neighbors continue to support them.

What would you do if you found yourself in his situation?

JosephZ said:

Let's say a young man was born on an island where his parents voted for a group that they thought at the time would benefit their lives. After this group was elected, it forcefully took control of the island and decided not to hold any further elections, and the island has had this group as its governing body ever since. It turns out this group likes to attack a nearby island, and in return, the nearby island often retaliates with a force ten times that of the group on his island. In the past, when people criticized the group or tried to remove them from power, their efforts were quickly crushed, and individuals who tried to organize rebellion against the group were often severely injured or even killed for doing so.

This young man is now an adult, married, and has three small children. He's unhappy living under the leadership of the group his parents helped vote into power and tired of the conflict it's having with the neighboring island and the suffering it brings. Despite the hardships and suffering this group brings to the island, 1 in 3 of his neighbors continue to support them.

What would you do if you found yourself in his situation?

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No one is saying it's easy, but history is full of selfless stories where men ride out and meet evil on the battlefield not just for themselves and their own generation, but the generations to come.

If they love their land, and I suspect they do, then they can find it in themselves to expel the enemy within, especially now they're so weakened that by accounts from both sides of the table, Hamas is no longer a functioning military force in the sense it once was.

Men going to war despite a wife and child at home is nothing new. If anything it's the norm amongst countries whose military might comes from people volunteering to be in that position. For some, the fact they have a wife and child at home is the reason they do so.

High Fidelity said:

No one is saying it's easy, but history is full of selfless stories where men ride out and meet evil on the battlefield not just for themselves and their own generation, but the generations to come.

If they love their land, and I suspect they do, then they can find it in themselves to expel the enemy within, especially now they're so weakened that by accounts from both sides of the table, Hamas is no longer a functioning military force in the sense it once was.

Men going to war despite a wife and child at home is nothing new. If anything it's the norm amongst countries whose military might comes from people volunteering to be in that position. For some, the fact they have a wife and child at home is the reason they do so.

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Much of what you said is true, but what would you yourself do as a family man living in a terrorist stronghold with 1 in 3 of your neighbors showing support for the terrorists?

JosephZ said:

Much of what you said is true, but what would you yourself do as a family man living in a terrorist stronghold with 1 in 3 of your neighbors showing support for the terrorists?

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Obviously it's impossible to say definitively from the comfort of my home in a faraway land, but I'd like to think so.

It seems that may be a reality many of us will face in the coming decades in the UK and Europe as the quiet Islamic conquest continues.

JosephZ said:

The event that took place in Jaffa in 1921 was definitely a riot and not an act of genocide. Here are some excerpts from the Wikipedia source you quoted:

About 45,000 people lived in Jaffa at the time, roughly half of them Muslims, a third Jews, and the rest Christians.

The first shots had apparently been fired to disperse a procession marching from Jaffa to Tel Aviv without a permit. The parade had been organized by the Jewish Communist Party, officially called the Socialist Workers Party, though its opponents used an acronym of the party’s Hebrew name to nickname it “Mops,” which means “pug dog” in German. The previous night the party had sent boys out to distribute leaflets in Arabic and Yiddish emblazoned with slogans calling on the workers to topple the British regime and establish the Soviet Union of Palestine.

Meanwhile in Tel Aviv, a large May Day parade had been organized by Achdut HaAvoda, the major Jewish labor party at the time, and sanctioned by the authorities. Tensions ran high between the rival parties. At some point the communists and Achdut HaAvoda people ran into one another, and a fistfight ensued. The police chased the “Mopsies” members back in the direction of Jaffa, where the Communist parade clashed with Arabs, who were equally unsympathetic to a Soviet Union of Palestine.

Dozens of witnesses—Jewish, Arab, and British—all told the same story: Arab men broke into Jewish buildings and murdered the occupants; women came afterward and looted. Bearing clubs, knives, swords, and in some cases pistols, Arabs attacked Jewish pedestrians and destroyed Jewish homes and stores. They beat and killed Jews, children included, in their homes; in some cases they split the victims’ skulls open.

Arab accounts of the Jewish violence are very similar to the Jewish testimonies about the Arab riots. The Jews looted homes and stores. They broke into Arab houses, beating and killing the occupants; in one house, a woman and child were murdered. A hunchbacked Arab and his children were killed in an orange grove; their bodies were disfigured. A Jewish policeman took part.

A commission of inquiry later appointed to investigate the riots found that the fight between the communists and Achdut HaAvoda was the spark that lit the fire and described the riots as “an orgy of pillage.” Many witnesses identified their neighbors among the attackers and murderers; in some places Arabs had come to the defense of Jews and gave them refuge in their houses.

A total of 47 Jews and 48 Arabs were killed in the disturbances, and the wounded numbered 146 Jews and 73 Arabs.

There is no evidence that the Jaffa riots were premeditated. Arab leaders and spokesmen, first and foremost Musa Kazim al-Husseini, condemned them.

The Arabs put together a petition that they submitted to the League of Nations, in which they expressed their grievances; the essence of their demands—independence and democracy—remained unchanged through the end of the Mandate.

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We can call it a riot if that’s what it was. I'm fine with that... But when they raided the businesses and homes of random Jews, and killed them as retribution for what other Jews did..? That's racism! Plain and simple.

...And this is the kind of sick behavior we saw coming from the very start... And it continues to this day... And it is the *root* of the problem.