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keras · Sunday at 3:50 AM

Douggg said:
And what is in error about this chart ? What does your 1989 REB bible say for Ezekiel 39:12 ? Does it say the people of "Beulah" in that verse, or the house of Israel, that will bury the dead of Gog's army for 7 months ?

What Ezekiel 38:12 does NOT say is: the House of Judah. So the Jews are not involved here.

The faithful peoples of God are the true House of Israel, the Overcomers for Him. They will be the citizens of the new nation of Beulah. As Isaiah 62:1-5 tells us. The peoples John sees in the Holy Land. Revelation 7:9
You can object to this, but unless you can provide scripture to prove any other location of Gods peoples in the end times, then it stands.

The seven years of Ezekiel 39, is not concurrent with the 7 years of Daniel 9:27.
They have different start points and cannot both finish at the same time. The main reason is; for the final clean up of G/M's weapons, to be completed before the 'beast' conquers Beulah. Would Satan care if G/M's debris is still littering the Land?

Douggg · Sunday at 9:43 AM

keras said:
What Ezekiel 38:12 does NOT say is: the House of Judah. So the Jews are not involved here.

keras, you made a typo - it is Ezekiel 39:12. And here is what it says...

Ezekiel 39:12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. kjv

The house of Israel in Ezekiel 39 is talking about all the twelve tribe descendants of Israel, which includes the Jews.

The nation of Israel, born in a single day on May 14, 1948, fulfilled Isaiah 66:8, a nation born at once. Which also fulfilled Ezekiel 37:19, the tribes of Israel (the northern kingdom) reunited with Judah (the southern kingdom) back into one nation.. So the house of Israel became one nation again made up all twelve tribes.

There is not going to be a replacement nation to the present nation of Israel. Gog/Magog will attack the present nation of Israel, as you see the Israel - Iran conflict leading up to the Gog/Magog attack.

Lost4words · Sunday at 1:50 PM

keras said:
.....with scriptural truths.

No, you mean with your intrepretation of what the scripture means.

You dont just post the scripture on its own, you give your own unique interpretation of what you believe it is saying...

keras · Sunday at 3:21 PM

Lost4words said:
No, you mean with your intrepretation of what the scripture means.

Yes; with my intrepid -fearless and bold, interpretation - understanding of what the Prophets are telling us. My knowledge, gained from extensive reading and use of the whole Bible.

Many will try to gain this knowledge. Daniel 12:4 But only a few will understand. Daniel 12:10
Here is a Bible passage that seems to fit how internet forums operate in our modern age:

Ezekiel 33:30-33 People gather in groups and talk among themselves, saying: Let us see if there is any message from the Lord.
So people will read what is Written, but they will not act on it. Fine words, they will say, with insincerity, for their hearts are set on going their own way and they believe false teachers who promote prosperity and removal from any Tribulation.
To them, anyone who tells the truth of the Prophetic Word, is no more than a singer of fine songs, or a gifted musician. They will read the truth as presented, but none will take heed of it.
When disaster comes, as it come will, only then will they remember that they were warned, but failed to take notice of what God's prophets had told them. REB. Condensed and paraphrased.

keras · Sunday at 3:53 PM

Douggg said:
The nation of Israel, born in a single day on May 14, 1948, fulfilled Isaiah 66:8, a nation born at once.

This statement is absolutely wrong.
Isaiah 66:7 Without birth pangs Zion has given birth, borne a child before the onset of labour.
The Jewish State of Israel took 50 years to be established. Declaration and ratification happened only after a long and difficult 'birthing' period.

It will be the new nation of Beulah, that will fulfil this prophecy. Isaiah 60, 61 & 62:1-5 describe it.

Douggg said:
There is not going to be a replacement nation to the present nation of Israel. Gog/Magog will attack the present nation of Israel, as you see the Israel - Iran conflict leading up to the Gog/Magog attack.

You merely show your intransigence and inability to correct your beliefs, with this kind of statement.
Get this: The people G/M attacks, will be undefended; no Iron Dome, no military at all. They will be Gods people and their trust is in the Lord for their protection and this is proved by how the Lord Himself motivates Gog to muster his armies and march against Beulah. Ezekiel 38:1-8, in order to demonstrate His ability to protect them. Joel 2:20

Douggg · Sunday at 4:19 PM

keras said:
This statement is absolutely wrong.
Isaiah 66:7 Without birth pangs Zion has given birth, borne a child before the onset of labour.

keras, you posted the wrong verse. Isaiah 66:8, not Isaiah 66:7.

Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

keras said:
You merely show your intransigence and inability to correct your beliefs, with this kind of statement.
Get this: The people G/M attacks, will be undefended; no Iron Dome, no military at all. They will be Gods people and their trust is in the Lord for their protection and this is proved by how the Lord Himself motivates Gog to muster his armies and march against Beulah. Ezekiel 38:1-8, in order to demonstrate His ability to protect them. Joel 2:20

Since it is God who destroys the Gog/Magog attackers against defenseless Beulah - then why in the aftermath does the leader of the One World Government need to make a peace treaty (covenant) with the people of Beulah ?

keras · Sunday at 7:37 PM

Douggg said:
keras, you posted the wrong verse. Isaiah 66:8, not Isaiah 66:7.

Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

The fact remains: that the Prophecy of Isaiah 66:7-9 does not apply to the current Jewish State of Israel.

Douggg said:
Since it is God who destroys the Gog/Magog attackers against defenseless Beulah - then why in the aftermath does the leader of the One World Government need to make a peace treaty (covenant) with the people of Beulah ?

Obviously, that leader will be shocked by what has happened and he tries to become friendly with Beulah. Good thing for him to have a peace agreement, but bad for all those of Beulah who want it, the 'many', as in Daniel 9:27, as their reliance on this 7 year treaty, means they have renounced their trust in the Lord's protection. Isaiah 28:14-15 castigates them and they will be the ones referred to in Revelation 12:17, who must face persecution.

Douggg · Sunday at 9:40 PM

keras said:
Obviously, that leader will be shocked by what has happened and he tries to become friendly with Beulah. Good thing for him to have a peace agreement, but bad for all those of Beulah who want it, the 'many', as in Daniel 9:27, as their reliance on this 7 year treaty, means they have renounced their trust in the Lord's protection. Isaiah 28:14-15 castigates them and they will be the ones referred to in Revelation 12:17, who must face persecution.

Why would Beulah agree to or rely on a peace treat,y since God Himself destroyed the Gog/Magog armies. Also, the covenant in Daniel 9:27 is not a peace treaty.

Lost4words · Sunday at 11:57 PM

keras said:
Yes; with my intrepid -fearless and bold, interpretation - understanding of what the Prophets are telling us. My knowledge, gained from extensive reading and use of the whole Bible.

Many will try to gain this knowledge. Daniel 12:4 But only a few will understand. Daniel 12:10
Here is a Bible passage that seems to fit how internet forums operate in our modern age:

Ezekiel 33:30-33 People gather in groups and talk among themselves, saying: Let us see if there is any message from the Lord.
So people will read what is Written, but they will not act on it. Fine words, they will say, with insincerity, for their hearts are set on going their own way and they believe false teachers who promote prosperity and removal from any Tribulation.
To them, anyone who tells the truth of the Prophetic Word, is no more than a singer of fine songs, or a gifted musician. They will read the truth as presented, but none will take heed of it.
When disaster comes, as it come will, only then will they remember that they were warned, but failed to take notice of what God's prophets had told them. REB. Condensed and paraphrased.

There are thousands who also, like you, believe that they have the knowledge and understanding of scripture! So many have come and gone over the centuries.

No disrespect to you but, i just dont agree with your interpretation of scripture. I dont see it panning out like you do. I dont think anyone can see it.

keras · Monday at 3:27 AM

Douggg said:
Why would Beulah agree to or rely on a peace treat,y since God Himself destroyed the Gog/Magog armies

We are told how quickly the ancient Israelites made and worshipped a golden calf. Humans are still just the same and Daniel 11:32 says the OWG leader will win over those who are ready to violate their Covenant with God, for His protection.
The division of Gods peoples in this matter, is also Prophesied in Zephaniah 14:2 and in Revelation 12:14 & 17

Douggg said:
the covenant in Daniel 9:27 is not a peace treaty.

Since when did God make 7 year covenants? Plainly the treaty in Daniel 9:27, is not a covenant; it will be made between human entities.

ALL scripture must be taken into account when interpretating Prophecy.

Lost4words said:
There are thousands who also, like you, believe that they have the knowledge and understanding of scripture! So many have come and gone over the centuries.

No disrespect to you but, i just dont agree with your interpretation of scripture. I dont see it panning out like you do. I dont think anyone can see it.

Your moaning and whinging about what I post, is worthless and a waste of forum space.
Post you beliefs with supporting scripture, or go away.

Lost4words · Monday at 4:14 AM

keras said:
We are told how quickly the ancient Israelites made and worshipped a golden calf. Humans are still just the same and Daniel 11:32 says the OWG leader will win over those who are ready to violate their Covenant with God, for His protection.
The division of Gods peoples in this matter, is also Prophesied in Zephaniah 14:2 and in Revelation 12:14 & 17

Since when did God make 7 year covenants? Plainly the treaty in Daniel 9:27, is not a covenant; it will be made between human entities.

ALL scripture must be taken into account when interpretating Prophecy.

Your moaning and whinging about what I post, is worthless and a waste of forum space.
Post you beliefs with supporting scripture, or go away.

I am entitled to post my opinion on forum content. Just because you dont like that content doesnt mean i have to 'go away'...

Not everyone can agree with your interpretations my friend!

Douggg · Monday at 4:42 AM

keras said:
Since when did God make 7 year covenants? Plainly the treaty in Daniel 9:27, is not a covenant; it will be made between human entities.

keras - It is the confirmation cycle that is for 7 years. Not the Mt. Sinai covenant itself.

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

As the Israelites were about to cross the Jordan and possess the promised land, Moses in Deuteronomy 31:9-13, made a law that all future leaders of Israel would confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant on a 7 year cycle. As long as they dwelled in the land of Israel.

The confirmation process was to be a speech by the leader to the nation of Israel, from the place of God's choosing, that God gave the land of Israel to the children of Israel as theirs, forever.

I have asked the Jews (Judaism) where is the place of God's choosing, and they said the temple mount.

Of course such a speech has not been done in modern times because of the Muslim control on the temple mount would never allow it.

But after Gog/Magog, the Muslim control and presence on the temple mount will no longer exist. So the Antichrist, false messiah leader, is going to make the big speech from the temple mount.

Spiritual Jew · Monday at 4:32 PM

keras said:
Christian believers are at odds with one another. We all read the Bible and keep the Commandments. Why do we understand the Prophesies so differently?
My approach is to read the prophesies literally, unless they are obviously metaphorical; describing something not known in ancient times, but what is possible to figure out from our modern knowledge.

So, you don't consider that something could be metaphorical unless it is "obviously metaphorical" and just assume everything is literal otherwise? That doesn't seem like a wise approach. You should at least consider any given verse or passage to possibly be metaphorical even if it isn't "obviously metaphorical", especially if a literal interpretation contradicts other scriptures. I see this all the time with how Premils interpret OT scripture. They will interpret OT scriptures literally in such a way that blatantly contradicts clear, literal NT scriptures. Instead of reconsidering how they are interpreting the OT scriptures because of what is written in the NT, they will instead twist the NT scriptures to fit their literal understanding of the OT scriptures that are not meant to be interpreted literally.

Spiritual Jew · Monday at 4:34 PM

Lost4words said:
You always claim to have the one and only true interpretation of scripture.

What you post is 'Your' own, personal view of what 'you' think scripture is saying.

If anyone says any different you shoot them down...

Absolutely right. He says no one has all the answers, which is true, but he does it while acting as if he has all the answers. He can't be taken seriously.

keras · Monday at 8:01 PM

Spiritual Jew said:
Absolutely right. He says no one has all the answers, which is true, but he does it while acting as if he has all the answers. He can't be taken seriously.

It is the Bible Prophets who have all the answers. I merely present their Prophesies, along with supporting scriptures and how our modern knowledge can help in understanding what God has planned for our future.
It isn't my concern if people object to what I present, as what the Prophets said was rejected then and nothing has changed now.

What is going to happen will shock and surprise most, which is how God wants it. It will be our test of faith and many will fail it.

We who trust in the Lord and are Bible believers can and should know what He has planned for our future. Paul says: 1 Thessalonians 5:4 You; friends are not in the dark, that Day will not come upon you like a thief. Revelation 1:1 The Lord has revealed His plans to His servants.

We believe that God’s Word is inerrant and complete as presented to us in the Holy Scriptures, therefore it is not right to ignore parts of it, or to say: that must have already happened, and: that does not apply to us, excepting for the obvious.

To hold onto beliefs that do not have solid Bible support, like looking to the Return of Jesus as the next event, or a ‘rapture’ out of this world, is a serious error and may result in some disadvantage for you. The attitude of “I trust in the Lord for protection” is correct, but barely adequate when He has given us so much warning and information.

The actual end times events will surprise and shock those who didn’t bother to gain understanding, even though it will dramatically affect everyone.

The unfortunate part about not knowing our future, is that we miss out on the anticipation of the wonderful and amazing promises that the Lord has made to His people, those who keep His Laws and honour and praise their Creator.

Douggg · Monday at 9:08 PM

keras said:
It is the Bible Prophets who have all the answers.

No, the Bible Prophets don't have all the answers.

Daniel 8:27 And I Daniel fainted, and was sick certain days; afterward I rose up, and did the king's business; and I was astonished at the vision, but none understood it.

Daniel 12:
8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

God is Who has all the answers - no one else.

keras · Monday at 11:40 PM

Douggg said:
God is Who has all the answers - no one else.

Indeed; the Lord does nothing without revealing His plans to His servants the Prophets. Amos 3:7

So where does the fanciful notions like a 'rapture to heaven'. or there being a 'King of Jewish Israel' come from?
I note too; that your idea of the final seven years of this age being related to the Mt Sinai Covenant, simply doesn't fit with the rest of the 70 'weeks' Prophecy of Daniel 9:25-27.

Aaron112 · Tuesday at 12:13 AM

keras said:
No one is claiming they have all the answers.
I have yet to see you post something positive and helpful.

Here is the list of other members, visitors, or posters, whatever,
who have posted only truthful posts in the last ten years: <null set>
So, then, is it 'good' at all for any of us to be here ? any benefit ?

erson_shrugging:

Aaron112 · Tuesday at 12:17 AM

keras said:
.....with scriptural truths.

Jesus is a perfect example of telling the truth and silencing those arrayed against Him.
But still they kept multiplying, getting worse, and ultamitely seeking His death.
And after the Almighty Creator Resurrected Jesus from the grave,
it continues still ! As Jesus said, the same way He was treated, beaten, mocked, spit upon... so also His children.

Douggg · Tuesday at 1:32 AM

keras said:
Indeed; the Lord does nothing without revealing His plans to His servants the Prophets. Amos 3:7

So where does the fanciful notions like a 'rapture to heaven'. or there being a 'King of Jewish Israel' come from?

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

It is known only to God the Father what day and hour that He will send Jesus for the resurrection/rapture.

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