Hegseth Boosts Video of Pastors Saying Women Shouldn't Vote, Advocating Repeal of 19th Amendment

Oompa Loompa said:

All you have shown is that women generally make less than men because they work less than men. I asked you specifically to show me one example in which a company intentionally paid women less because they were women. Because if you show me one example, I will show you a lawsuit. Again, the gender pay gap has been busted more than my 1996 Ford Ranger.

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Dude… I showed you like 8 links. lol!

Leading a horse to water, and all that.

Oompa Loompa said:

Here let me dump a bunch of url sites that confirm what I am saying just as you have...but more efficiently.

Why The Gender Pay Gap Is False

For those who think it's easier to annoy you than to Google 'Why the gender pay gap is false' themselves.

letmegooglethat.com

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lol! Did you really give a link to a trolling website about how to use Google as your proof? lol, get out of here with that nonsense.

Game, set, match. Blue haired feminists win. May my burning brain light the way of my victory lap past the river of male tears.

Oompa Loompa said:

But what you are deliberately ignoring is the fact that the Son, and the Holy Spirit voluntarily submitted to the will of the Father.

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I'm not ignoring it. I'm saying it's flat-out wrong.

The Trinity share one will. It's not that the Son and the Spirit put aside their own wills to submit to the Father. You could just as validly speak of the Father submitting to the Son or the Spirit. They co-operate in bringing about their shared will.

Oompa Loompa said:

I understand that this is a very conflicting truth, because you, as a female priest, would be a contradiction to the written word. So as much as I understand the position you are in, and the sacrifices you have made, you as a female being a priest in unblibical.

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That's off topic, and probably not something the rules allow us to debate in depth here, but I'm not. There is nothing in Scripture to forbid a woman being authorised by the church to the office of elder (priest).

Oompa Loompa said:

Sure, I have no issues with women being ministers in specific departments, or even preaching a sermon fome time to time, but ultimately, a man has to be the overarching authority of and church and congregation.

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No; no human being holds that responsibility. Authority ultimately belongs to God, but insofar as human beings have to discern it, that is a shared responsibility.

Oompa Loompa said:

Forgive me, although painful as it may seem, ultimately it is the men who addicted their authority to you will have to answer to God.

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I take it you mean abdicated. I'm not even sure who might be seen to have "abdicated" their authority to me.

Oompa Loompa said:

Sure. And I value and respect them if they can biblically back it up. However, explain to me why any Christian on a "CHRISTIAN FORUM" should be concerned about the secular beliefs of a non-christian?

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Have you no secular beliefs with respect to politics? You certainly have not produced credible secular justification for the policies you propose. If you wish to change government policies to fulfill your religious beliefs you are going to have to support the policies with secular arguments. Isn't that why you are here in a politics forum open to non-Christian participants?

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Last time I checked we weren't a theocracy, and a man with alcohol and infidelity problems sporting offensive controversial tattoos sure isn't a spokespersin for holiness.

Oompa Loompa said:

Dude. You gave me like 8 links showing how women generally make less than men. But you have yet to show one example of an employer deliberately paying a women less because she is a woman. Again I ask, prove me wrong by gucung a single example of a man deliberately paying a woman less solely because she is a woman. I am saying that women generally make less that men because they generally work less than men. Again, prove me wrong.

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Women working less and getting paid less only works in salary positions, my guy. Those stats pointed out that the hourly rate for women is consistently less than that of their male counterparts. Clearly you didn’t read what I sent you.

But ok, you think women making less consistently across the board, the government saying that it’s occurring, it being a generally accepted fact across all employment and pay tracking agencies is not indicative of people paying women less…? You want a “Joe pays Carol less” example in order for you to believe that it’s true…?

Super.

When I worked as a police dispatcher 40 hours a week, I was told I was paid less despite having more experience than the new guy because he was more likely to advance and stay with the job, whereas I was likely to get married, pregnant, and leave. Was told that to my face. Was also told he didn’t trust women dispatchers as much as male dispatchers so he got paid more. He ended up getting fired. I ended up being promoted. My bosses name was Roland, my peer was named Dwayne.

Bradskii said:

I think we need some light relief from this all-too depressing thread...and with cow bells! Goes full Animal at 2:50. Yeah!

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Yeah just as punchy and hard hitting as any guy would bring to the same material. Shes locked in to a click or sequenced track, it sounds like. but you still have to provide the energy.

Bradskii said:

I think we need some light relief from this all-too depressing thread...and with cow bells! Goes full Animal at 2:50. Yeah!

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This gal used to be in Beyonce's band. She really opens it up toward the end. (Dueling sax solos are amazing too).

Paidiske said:

I'm not ignoring it. I'm saying it's flat-out wrong.

The Trinity share one will. It's not that the Son and the Spirit put aside their own wills to submit to the Father. You could just as validly speak of the Father submitting to the Son or the Spirit. They co-operate in bringing about their shared will.

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I just wanted to add this for the sake of providing further elaboration to anyone curious.

This is just historic, orthodox Trinitarian theology. There is only one Divine Will; the Three Divine Persons are of one undivided will. In the Incarnation the Son assumes a full and complete humanity, and thus a human will.

Dyotheletism (Jesus has two wills, human and Divine; even as He has two natures--dyophysitism) is the position of all Chalcedonian Christians (Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestant). So the Son's obedience to the Father emerges out of the Incarnation, as a perfect human will united to the Divine Will. The Incarnation itself, the Son assuming into Himself humanity and partaking in the fullness of humanity is not an act of eternal subordinatism (a false doctrine), but rather is a singular act of the one Divine Will: And is borne out of the mutual love of the Three Divine Persons--the intra-love of the Persons (the love shared between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) and the extra-love (the love extended to creatures which comes from the intra-love of the Persons). In this way God shares Himself with creation, because it is God's participation in creation--even fallen creation--for the sake of the rescue, redemption, and ultimately the restoration of all creation.

As St. Gregory Nazianzen wrote, "Whatever is not assumed is not healed." That is, the full human person cannot be saved unless the Son bears the full humanity--body, soul, mind, will, etc. And it is in God's participation and union with His creation in the Incarnate Person of the Son, in Jesus Christ, even to the point of "tasting death for everyone", that God intends to bring creation to its full, good, and glorious resolution in Christ ("for all things were made by Him and for Him").

These are elementary Christian doctrines that have been part of basic, normative Christian teaching for centuries and which have been worked out by the ancient fathers of the Christian Church in the ancient councils as they engaged, thought through, and wrestled with all the complexities of the profound encounter with God and His grace through the Incarnate Jesus who suffered, died, and rose again; and the significance of the long story of the biblical drama that has Jesus as its climax and ultimate purpose.

Paidiske said:

That's off topic, and probably not something the rules allow us to debate in depth here, but I'm not. There is nothing in Scripture to forbid a woman being authorised by the church to the office of elder (priest).

No; no human being holds that responsibility. Authority ultimately belongs to God, but insofar as human beings have to discern it, that is a shared responsibility.

I take it you mean abdicated. I'm not even sure who might be seen to have "abdicated" their authority to me.

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Run the race. Fight the good fight. Keep the faith.

-CryptoLutheran

Tropical Wilds said:

Dude… I showed you like 8 links. lol!

Leading a horse to water, and all that.

lol! Did you really give a link to a trolling website about how to use Google as your proof? lol, get out of here with that nonsense.

Game, set, match. Blue haired feminists win. May my burning brain light the way of my victory lap past the river of male tears.

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As you said, "You can lead a horse to water..."

Paidiske said:

I'm not ignoring it. I'm saying it's flat-out wrong.

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I entirely stopped reading after this statement. Why. Because it proves you are not following or respecting the instructions explicitly given in the Bible. Again, I understand why. You are a female priest of Methodist denomination. Great! Just know that BIBLICALLY, the man who allowed you to be in your position will one day have to answer to God for all of our decisions.

Oompa Loompa said:

I entirely stopped reading after this statement. Why. Because it proves you are not following or respecting the instructions explicitly given in the Bible. Again, I understand why. You are a female priest of Methodist denomination. Great! Just know that BIBLICALLY, the man who allowed you to be in your position will one day have to answer to God for all of our decisions.

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Actually, she is an Anglican, not a Methodist--you should be accurate when you are denouncing a Christian Denomination; you don't want to be blaming the poor Methodists for something they didn't do.

Oompa Loompa said:

As you said, "You can lead a horse to water..."

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Let me know when you find government-cited links that say it’s not true. I’ll be over here with my blue hair and ability to vote.