Hegseth Boosts Video of Pastors Saying Women Shouldn't Vote, Advocating Repeal of 19th Amendment

Tropical Wilds · 2025-08-15T12:42:21-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
Okay. Then for you, equal rights mean equal lefts. That is your choice.

Did I say that anywhere? Equal rights for equal lefts…?

Oompa Loompa said:
Fix your own car and do your own repairs.

Uh… I do fix my own car…? I just changed the power steering fluid on my car last week. And I do the home repairs around the house.

Oompa Loompa said:
Personally, if I see you on the side of the road with a flat tire, I will pull over and ask if you have a spare.

You don’t need to, I do.

Oompa Loompa said:
Of not, I will give you the number for a tow company.

No need. I have USAA.

Oompa Loompa said:
If yes, I will drive on assuming you know how to change your own tire by yourself.

Good, because I do and wouldn’t want you to stop because apparently you randomly punch people.

You may need to stop for my husband, though, because I’m not sure he could change a tire. Also, probably my father. He can change a tire, but he’s in his 70s with arthritis and can’t move around so well. Be sure to tell them their wife/daughter is more of a man than they are. They’ll get a kick out of that. Don’t literally kick them though, please. As we established, they’re men and have it rough.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-08-15T12:44:25-0500

Tropical Wilds said:
Did I say that anywhere? Equal rights for equal lefts…?

Again I ask, "Should women be treated equally with men or not?" Being treated equally with men implies that men will confront you and fight you like a man.

BCP1928 · 2025-08-15T12:44:45-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
Now, please explain to our liberal feminist friends here who believe that women should be treated equally to men, why it is wrong for a man to punch a woman more so than a man punching another man?

It is equally wrong in both cases.

Oompa Loompa said:
Okay. Then for you, equal rights mean equal lefts. That is your choice. Fix your own car and do your own repairs. Personally, if I see you on the side of the road with a flat tire, I will pull over and ask if you have a spare. Of not, I will give you the number for a tow company. If yes, I will drive on assuming you know how to change your own tire by yourself.

Fix your own car and do your own repairs? Who does that any more? It's not your responsibility as a man any more than it is for a woman. Does your manhood depend on your ability to change a tire?

RDKirk · 2025-08-15T12:48:03-0500

DaisyDay said:
Women had to fight to be able to serve in the military in combat positions. This year, women in top positions are being forced out.

Frankly, women should not be in most combat positions (at least not in the ones in which "combat" is not done sitting down). The military has proven that over and over again since the 80s in every field exercise. But that isn't politically correct to say.

dogs4thewin · 2025-08-15T12:48:59-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
Nope. Although both are wrong, they are not both equally wrong. For example, a man approaches another man and spits in his face only for the man to knock him out. Compare that to a woman spitting in a man's face only for the man to knock the woman out. Which is worse?

With all due respect ( as a woman) if I did that I would expect a man to defend himself. I will not go hands on with you unless you go hands on with me however if you do so you can expect me to "return the favor.

RocksInMyHead · 2025-08-15T12:49:55-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
Nope. Although both are wrong, they are not both equally wrong.

I disagree.

Oompa Loompa said:
For example, a man approaches another man and spits in his face only for the man to knock him out. Compare that to a woman spitting in a man's face only for the man to knock the woman out. Which is worse?

Neither is worse than the other. Both are equally wrong.

durangodawood · 2025-08-15T12:50:38-0500

What does changing a tire or who punches who have to do with voting.... or any other aspect of political equality?

I can tell you most women out here are pretty handy. This house bound female fragility thing is foreign to me, and it doesn't sound appealing for either women or men.

I will say, for some reason out here men are more likely to waste money on stupid huge trucks.

dogs4thewin · 2025-08-15T12:50:45-0500

RDKirk said:
Frankly, women should not be in most combat positions (at least not in the ones in which "combat" is not done sitting down). The military has proven that over and over again since the 80s in every field exercise. But that isn't politically correct to say.

As a woman way I see it if a particular woman can meet the SAME standards as a man she should be able to serve in that role.

durangodawood · 2025-08-15T12:57:00-0500

dogs4thewin said:
As a wowan way I see it if a particular woman can meet the SAME standards as a man she should be able to serve in that role.

Yeah if you can do the things, then you can do the things. If that means men qualify more often for certain limited physical roles, then so be it.

It has no bearing on how we should think of womens rights politically or male/female roles in society generally.

BCP1928 · 2025-08-15T12:58:57-0500

RDKirk said:
Frankly, women should not be in most combat positions (at least not in the ones in which "combat" is not done sitting down). The military has proven that over and over again since the 80s in every field exercise. But that isn't politically correct to say.

It's not politically correct to want to make blanket rule about it. That's all. But we are talking about the draft, not infantry combat per se. As history shows, there are plenty of essential roles in the military for both men and women who are not capable of it.

Tropical Wilds · 2025-08-15T13:15:07-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
Again I ask, "Should women be treated equally with men or not?"

Am I going to have to answer this again?

Oompa Loompa said:
Being treated equally with men implies that men will confront you and fight you like a man.

RDKirk · 2025-08-15T13:37:09-0500

BCP1928 said:
It's not politically correct to want to make blanket rule about it. That's all.

"Blanket statements?" As I said, there has been field exercise after field exercise after field exercise to prove that women do not measure up to men (even men across the board) compared to women. Any field unit with a woman in it suffers clearly and notably against an all-male unit...always, every time. It would be a complete route to pit an all-woman unit against an all-male unit, and unless an all-woman unit can compete against an all-male unit, we can't say women do just as well in field combat. They simply don't.

BCP1928 said:
But we are talking about the draft, not infantry combat per se.

There's not going to be another draft. A draft is normally for cannon fodder. The US is not going to fight another cannon fodder war.

A draft is useful in a particular type of war: A war that is bloody, long, and low-tech...all three of those factors. A Vietnam-style war. It has to be bloody to call for more troops than normal voluntary accession; notice that the US fought 20 years in Afghanistan without a draft. But it does have to be long enough for the draft process to get into operation; it would take at least a year from the start of a war until the first draftee's boots hit the ground in combat. And it also has to be low-tech because, first, even getting a troop into combat within a year assumes a low degree of technical training, and, second, a modern high-tech war with another high-tech opponent would be over--one way or another--before a draftee got into the fight.

The draft is bandied around as a political soccer ball. It will never happen in another war fought by the US.

BCP1928 said:
As history shows, there are plenty of essential roles in the military for both men and women who are not capable of it.

Sure, and those roles do not include ground combat for women.

durangodawood · 2025-08-15T14:12:01-0500

RDKirk said:
....Any field unit with a woman in it suffers clearly and notably against an all-male unit...always, every time......

So every single woman in a combat role is worse than the very worst male in any such role?

Oompa Loompa · 2025-08-15T14:26:23-0500

BCP1928 said:
Fix your own car and do your own repairs? Who does that any more? It's not your responsibility as a man any more than it is for a woman. Does your manhood depend on your ability to change a tire?

Now you want to answer for a woman. But I am the misogynist?

Oompa Loompa · 2025-08-15T14:30:40-0500

dogs4thewin said:
With all due respect ( as a woman) if I did that I would expect a man to defend himself. I will not go hands on with you unless you go hands on with me however if you do so you can expect me to "return the favor.

I am not just talking about a man defending himself. Most often, if a man was attacked by a woman, all that is usually necessary is a single shove and a firm grab on the arm for a man to defend himself from an unarmed woman. What i am talking about is if you go hands on with a man, would you expect him to fight you like a man?

Tropical Wilds · 2025-08-15T14:33:32-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
Now you want to answer for a woman. But I am the misogynist?

They asked a question about doing your own car repairs and who does that in this day and age. They answered on their own behalf.

You rebuked them for speaking on my behalf (they didn’t) like I didn’t reply to you (I did) and am offended they replied (I’m not).

Just saying.

Tropical Wilds · 2025-08-15T14:36:43-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
I am not just talking about a man defending himself. Most often, if a man was attacked by a woman, all that is usually necessary is a single shove and a firm grab on the arm for a man to defend himself from an unarmed woman.

Do you just live in a land of gender stereotypes or what?

Oompa Loompa said:
What i am talking about is if you go hands on with a man, would you expect him to fight you like a man?

Let me tell you, your line of questioning through this whole thread has been a journey and a half.

BCP1928 · 2025-08-15T14:41:09-0500

RDKirk said:
"Blanket statements?" As I said, there has been field exercise after field exercise after field exercise to prove that women do not measure up to men (even men across the board) compared to women. Any field unit with a woman in it suffers clearly and notably against an all-male unit...always, every time. It would be a complete route to pit an all-woman unit against an all-male unit, and unless an all-woman unit can compete against an all-male unit, we can't say women do just as well in field combat. They simply don't.

There's not going to be another draft. A draft is normally for cannon fodder. The US is not going to fight another cannon fodder war.

A draft is useful in a particular type of war: A war that is bloody, long, and low-tech...all three of those factors. A Vietnam-style war. It has to be bloody to call for more troops than normal voluntary accession; notice that the US fought 20 years in Afghanistan without a draft. But it does have to be long enough for the draft process to get into operation; it would take at least a year from the start of a war until the first draftee's boots hit the ground in combat. And it also has to be low-tech because, first, even getting a troop into combat within a year assumes a low degree of technical training, and, second, a modern high-tech war with another high-tech opponent would be over--one way or another--before a draftee got into the fight.

The draft is bandied around as a political soccer ball. It will never happen in another war fought by the US.

Sure, and those roles do not include ground combat for women.

You don't need to get snippy, I agree with all of that. But here, in this particular discussion, we are talking about a highly unrealistic scenario to start with.

BCP1928 · 2025-08-15T14:45:24-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
Now you want to answer for a woman. But I am the misogynist?

You certainly give that impression. Or rather, you seem to have saddled yourself with an imaginary idea of what it means to be a "man" and resent women for it.

BCP1928 · 2025-08-15T14:49:48-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
I am not just talking about a man defending himself. Most often, if a man was attacked by a woman, all that is usually necessary is a single shove and a firm grab on the arm for a man to defend himself from an unarmed woman. What i am talking about is if you go hands on with a man, would you expect him to fight you like a man?

I know a number of women (not even "modern feminists") who you shouldn't ought to try that on, I don't care how tough you think it makes you sound.

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