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DOGE cuts to weather service prove deadly.

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Officials in Texas are casting blame on the National Weather Service (NWS) for failing to forecast catastrophic flooding that has killed at least 27 people.

NWS was among the government agencies targeted by the Department of Government Efficiency in its effort to gut the federal bureaucracy, losing approximately 600 staffers.

After the cuts, the agency—which was already understaffed—began to prepare to offer “degraded” forecasting services, facing “severe shortages” of meteorologists, according to an internal document obtained by The New York Times in April.

 

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Officials in Texas are casting blame on the National Weather Service (NWS) for failing to forecast catastrophic flooding that has killed at least 27 people.

NWS was among the government agencies targeted by the Department of Government Efficiency in its effort to gut the federal bureaucracy, losing approximately 600 staffers.

After the cuts, the agency—which was already understaffed—began to prepare to offer “degraded” forecasting services, facing “severe shortages” of meteorologists, according to an internal document obtained by The New York Times in April.

I understand the finger pointing but I thought I would make clear that this could have been avoided if Kerrville received their grant from FEMA to install an emergency warning system. It was denied. Most recently there was state legislation, HB13, to provide municipalities funding for early warning systems. This did not pass.
 
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understand the finger pointing but I thought I would make clear that this could have been avoided if Kerrville received their grant from FEMA to install an emergency warning system. It was denied.
Trump bears some responsibility for that, but he wasn't really aware of a lot of things his first administration. One of those things that fell through the cracks because of the people he appointed.
 
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Most recently there was state legislation, HB13, to provide municipalities funding for early warning systems. This did not pass.
Can't blame Trump for that. That falls on the Texas legislature.
 
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Officials in Texas are casting blame on the National Weather Service (NWS) for failing to forecast catastrophic flooding that has killed at least 27 people.

NWS was among the government agencies targeted by the Department of Government Efficiency in its effort to gut the federal bureaucracy, losing approximately 600 staffers.

After the cuts, the agency—which was already understaffed—began to prepare to offer “degraded” forecasting services, facing “severe shortages” of meteorologists, according to an internal document obtained by The New York Times in April.

According to the official release from the NWS they were not short staffed they actually had extra people on staff during the storms and they had been reporting flash flood warnings starting the morning of July 3rd.

 
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According to the official release from the NWS they were not short staffed they actually had extra people on staff during the storms and they had been reporting flash flood warnings starting the morning of July 3rd.

  • The National Water Center Flood Hazard Outlook issued on Thursday July 3rd morning indicated an expansion of flash flood potential to include Kerrville, TX and surrounding areas.
  • A Flood Watch was issued by NWS Austin/San Antonio at 1:18PM CT on Thursday, in effect through Friday morning.
  • The Weather Prediction Center (WPC) issued three Mesoscale Precipitation Discussions for the excessive rainfall event as early as 6:10PM CDT Thursday indicating the potential for Flash Flooding.
  • The National Water Center Area Hydrologic Discussion (AHD) #144 at issued 6:22 PM CDT on 7/3/2025 messaged locally considerable flood wording for areas north and west of San Antonio, including the city of Kerrville.
  • The first Flash Flood Warning for the event was issued at 11:41 PM CDT Thursday for Bandera County.
  • At 1:14 AM CDT Friday: Flash Flood Warning with a considerable tag was issued for Bandera and Kerr Counties. Flash Flood Warnings with the Impact-Based Warning tags “Considerable” or “Catastrophic” denote high-damage threats and will automatically trigger Wireless Emergency Alerts (WEAs) on enabled mobile devices, ensuring only the most life-threatening flash flood events prompt urgent public notifications. All alerts are also sent out over NOAA Weather Radio.
  • First reports from Kerr County Sheriffs Office of flooding at low water crossings had 201 minutes of lead time (4:35 AM CDT).
  • Flash Flood Warning was upgraded to a Flash Flood Emergency for South-central Kerr County, Including Hunt, as early as 4:03 AM Friday.
  • The 5:00 AM CT July 4th National Water Center Area Hydrologic Discussion #146 included concern for widespread considerable flooding through the day. The Flood Hazard Outlook was also upgraded to considerable and catastrophic.
  • Flash Flood Emergency issued for the Guadalupe River at 5:34 AM CDT
 
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Barbarian? This week we connected a trailer funded/proved by FEMA in the aftermath of Hurricane Helene. Hurricane Helene hit us in the wee hours or September 27, 2024. It was connected about 319 days after the storm came through. Have seen some connected much sooner, but don't recall any going in as quickly as a month or even two months. The first contact I had with it surprised me because the request was for work at a "FEMA trailer," it had been over a month since the storm, and I knew FEMA hadn't brought any trailers in. Turned out that was for a trailer funded in part or all by FEMA.

I have watched FEMA do things since Hurricane Hugo. All this is pretty much average.
 
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Tell that to the families who lost loved ones in the flood.
While tragic, it doesn't have anything to do with FEMA. FEMA doesn't raise the dead. I've never seen FEMA hand out a hot meal. I've never seen FEMA provide emergency supplies. I've never seen FEMA replace a pole; string conductor; repair a washed-out road; or so much as cut a tree out of the highway. I have, however, received a hot meal from churches, the Salvation Army, and volunteers. I've seen electrical crews come in from out of state (and in many cases part of those crews were our employees). I've seen state DOT repair roads; I've seen locals with tractors and chainsaw take it on themselves to clear away trees that weren't wrapped in power lines. What does FEMA do? FEMA comes along later with a check. I've seen FEMA reimburse utilities after disasters. I've seen FEMA pay for contractors to remove debris. I've seen FEMA offer applications for assistance. And this week I saw FEMA supplied/paid for trailer connected about 319 days after Hurricane Helene came through.

Not quite what people think FEMA does, is it? Guess what: That's what FEMA is designed to do, courtesy of fears in the 1970s that revamping Civil Defense could make the Soviets think we were preparing for a first strike. It takes roughly three days for outside help to come into a disaster area, and to date I haven't seen FEMA among them.

On the off chance anyone cares (which is doubtful), this is what I have observed post Helene: First response comes from locals, followed by state. Daybreak following Helene had everyone assessing damage, and locals start doing what they could to clear highways. Power lines down everywhere made that difficult. I was only able to drive out after someone hit and broke a cable. From then it was trying to find a way in to check on a family member we couldn't contact due to the phones being out. God kept both of us safe through the night: the family member was in a pocket with minimal to no damage, and had no idea things were in such bad shape. From there it was trying to make it in to work. That was successful, though ended up driving on the shoulders of the road around trees a few times. Work was concentrating on restoring power to what little we could and getting outside help. When I made it home that day, think I'd put over 200-250 miles on the odometer, and I'd filled up the evening before and set it to zero. The number "256" comes to mind, and maybe that or close to it was on the odometer. That's how far I I'd had to drive and back-track that day.

That was Friday. By Monday I saw state people setting up operations and coordinating getting outside help in. The local churches that had frozen food thawing had already cooked it on gas or grills and distributed it. Saw church volunteers from elsewhere come in and set up. Know the Salvation Army was involved in some of it. Saw the National Guard come in. Saw literally hundreds come in from other utilities to help us restore power. Didn't see FEMA, but I didn't expect to see FEMA. That Monday or Tuesday, someone came by the house to let us know where we could get a hot meals and other donated items. I wasn't there so I can't say they weren't FEMA but I suspect they were volunteers. By but must likely before Friday, someone had put up portable bulletin boards made out of plywood make into an "A" frame with notices for where to get assistance. FEMA had instructions on one how to contact them for assistance. Note that assistance was funding (see the above about FEMA coming along afterwards with a checkbook). God blessed us with very little damage, so we didn't apply for assistance.

About a month after Helene had come through, two people identifying themselves as FEMA reps did come by, maybe to to make sure everyone who needed assistance knew how to apply for it. And FEMA, I was told, funded private companies clearing away debris. But it's also my understanding that those private companies were coordinated by the state and counties. FEMA also usually gives financial assistance to utilities. FEMA might pick up some or all the tab, but FEMA didn't do the coordinating.

That says something about instances going all the way back to Hugo where donated items were warehoused instead of distributed. This was attributed to FEMA but I suspect states and locals had more to do with it.

One thing I've noticed over the years is that FEMA seems to have more hoops to jump through, but the nature of the hoops has me suspecting it's to curb funding abuse. If you hear that FEMA sometimes requires three bids, that's true, and has been for a long time. I think it predated Katrina. After a while many of these storms start running together in memory. Power restoration doesn't work that way, but they allow/allowed you can have preexisting contracts and work agreements. As it happens, when practically everything is on the ground, assessment is about all you can start with.

All this is probably stuff no one wants to here, but is what I've seen and is the truth. The remains the truth whether anyone accepts it or not.
 
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None of that excuses Noem's deliberate delay of relief.
Let's see... Helene came through and then, about 319 days later, a FEMA funded/provided trailer gets connected. That's something I witnessed. All of what I related I witnessed. And all of it has, apparently, fallen on deaf ears because it doesn't match the "talking points."

I related the truth and it matches what I've seen ever since Hugo. You believe what you wish.
 
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None of that excuses Noem's deliberate delay of relief.

Let's see... Helene came through and then, about 319 days later, a FEMA funded/provided trailer gets connected.

Why Kristi Noem Is Under Fire For Delayed FEMA Response To Texas Floods

Officials with the Federal Emergency Management Agency, tasked with responding to widespread disasters like the recent flash flooding in central Texas, have said the implementation of red tape by Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem hampered the agency's response to the disaster late last week and delayed the deployment of federal search and rescue crews by 72 hours.

Doesn't sound like very good management to me.
 
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