Hegseth Boosts Video of Pastors Saying Women Shouldn't Vote, Advocating Repeal of 19th Amendment

BCP1928 · Thursday at 2:50 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
No. I dont entirely blame feminism, but weak men who abdicated their authority and responsibilities, failing to lead their homes, abandoning their children physically and emotionally. There are literally entire generations of adult children who do not know what it means to be a man because they were never shown. Modern feminism is a product of women nolonger feeling safe, valued, and cared for in the home. Feminist dont trust men because men failed to follow the biblical instructions given to them.

Ephesians 5:25-31 NIV
[25] Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her [26] to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, [27] and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. [28] In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. [29] After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— [30] for we are members of his body. [31] “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”

Furthermore, the balance of love and respect has spiraled out of control.

Ephesians 5:33 NIV
[33] However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

When a woman doesnt feel loved, it is hard for them to show respect. When a man isn't respected, it is hard for them to show love. Feminism doesnt respect men which is why they are not loved by men and often find themselves alone and bitter.

Given the image of "manliness" presented here, I don't respect it, either.

iluvatar5150 · Thursday at 2:53 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
Do you then admit that your accusation about me "blaming everything on feminism" to be false?

I admit it was incomplete. Allow me to restate it:

lol, the guy blaming everything on feminism and weak men while continually stumping for a bunch of petulant and abusive serial philanderers complains about a lack of self-awareness.

Is that better?

Pommer · Thursday at 3:34 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
Modern feminism is a sham and is destroying women, families, and the fabric of our society.

They could, if they cowed enough women, vote themselves in and take over the governments of the states and the Federal Government as well then where would we be?

Better to nip this in the bud and take away the franchise from all women, lest the radicals take over!

The sky, it falleth!

Say it aint so · Thursday at 3:45 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
There lies the root of the problem, with modern feminism, women are taught to believe that all of their problems are the fault of men. As a result of this conditioning, they often lack the self-awareness to see how they have contributed to their own problems. You were fine when I was bashing men, but when I pointed out how women contribute to the problem, I "missed the landing."

Modern Feminism to me, and probably to them still means equality. The fact this is a thread about men with power threatening those aspects of equality speaks volumes. And low and behold that group consists of men. So irrespective of who is its stepping on those rights, if they want to label them as "men" they are spot on.

Oompa Loompa · Thursday at 6:52 PM

Pommer said:
They could, if they cowed enough women, vote themselves in and take over the governments of the states and the Federal Government as well then where would we be?

Better to nip this in the bud and take away the franchise from all women, lest the radicals take over!

The sky, it falleth!

Show me exactly where I said that women shouldn't vote. Otherwise, do not put words in my mouth.

Oompa Loompa · Thursday at 7:02 PM

BCP1928 said:
Given the image of "manliness" presented here, I don't respect it, either.

iluvatar5150 said:
I admit it was incomplete. Allow me to restate it:

lol, the guy blaming everything on feminism and weak men while continually stumping for a bunch of petulant and abusive serial philanderers complains about a lack of self-awareness.

Is that better?

Yes, using personal insults are always the best way to show you are winning an argument. Good job.

iluvatar5150 · Thursday at 8:32 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
Yes, using personal insults are always the best way to show you are winning an argument. Good job.

lol, this whole thread you’ve been insulting feminists (and weak men, too - can’t forget them, though I still don’t know what constitutes “weak”). Seems that self-awareness is still in short supply.

Bradskii · Thursday at 9:07 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
Show me exactly where I said that women shouldn't vote. Otherwise, do not put words in my mouth.

It was pointed out that women don't have to register for the draft. Your response was:

Oompa Loompa said:
Then I am not okay with them voting...

It was then pointed out that you don't have to register either. So you're not OK with you having the vote either. If you agree with that monstrously absurd position then at least we'll know that you are being honest.

Pommer · Thursday at 10:27 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
Show me exactly where I said that women shouldn't vote. Otherwise, do not put words in my mouth.

My post actually narrowed your argument of “Modern feminism is a sham and is destroying women, families, and the fabric of our society”, to just the political realm.

Using broad-brush arguments is fine, but if those arguments allow for such extrapolations then one can see why broad-brush arguments aren’t a good debating tactic.

BCP1928 · 2025-08-15T08:25:59-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
Yes, using personal insults are always the best way to show you are winning an argument. Good job.

No personal insults at all. I was referring to the ideal of manhood you present here, the roles you suggest men and women should take up. I was in any case not arguing, just expressing my disgust.

Tropical Wilds · 2025-08-15T08:35:55-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
Yes, using personal insults are always the best way to show you are winning an argument. Good job.

It’s not a personal insult but a statement that they don’t respect the version of manliness that comes at the expense of the rights of women. Maybe it feels like an insult if that’s the version of manliness somebody adheres to, but that’s not that poster’s problem.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-08-15T09:27:05-0500

Bradskii said:
It was pointed out that women don't have to register for the draft. Your response was:

It was then pointed out that you don't have to register either. So you're not OK with you having the vote either. If you agree with that monstrously absurd position then at least we'll know that you are being honest.

Should women be treated equally to men or not? Simple question.

Oompa Loompa · 2025-08-15T09:28:06-0500

Tropical Wilds said:
It’s not a personal insult but a statement that they don’t respect the version of manliness that comes at the expense of the rights of women. Maybe it feels like an insult if that’s the version of manliness somebody adheres to, but that’s not that poster’s problem.

Should women be treated equally to men or not?

Oompa Loompa · 2025-08-15T09:28:30-0500

BCP1928 said:
No personal insults at all. I was referring to the ideal of manhood you present here, the roles you suggest men and women should take up. I was in any case not arguing, just expressing my disgust.

Should women be treated equally with men or not?

durangodawood · 2025-08-15T10:00:19-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
Should women be treated equally with men or not?

Politically, yes. (With really finite exceptions perhaps to account for situations like pregnancy etc.)

Personally and culturally Im ok if different people choose femininity or masculinity in their own lives, and prefer being treated a bit differently.

ViaCrucis · 2025-08-15T10:01:32-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
I disagree. Christian marriages will be happier and more fulfilling if they followed the instructions outlined in Ephesians. Traditional women who hold traditional values ought to be treated with chivalry and deserve a traditional man who will protect and provide. Modern women feminists who hold to modern values in which they not only believe they are equal to men, but in many ways, better than men, they deserve to be treated like a man and fend for themselves. So I really do not see this "hole" that I am supposedly digging. Perhaps you can explain?

"Feminism killed chivalry" he says, while standing over the body holding the knife.

-CryptoLutheran

Larniavc · 2025-08-15T10:09:09-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
Then I am not okay with them voting

Crikey!

DaisyDay · 2025-08-15T10:15:30-0500

Bradskii said:
Women don't have to sign for the draft and in fact they are not allowed to do so: Can Females Be Drafted in the US? The Current Law

'Females are not currently required to register for Selective Service, nor are they permitted to do so voluntarily.'

So it looks like we have your answer. You don't think that women should have the vote.

Women had to fight to be able to serve in the military in combat positions. This year, women in top positions are being forced out.

ViaCrucis · 2025-08-15T10:22:31-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
Should women be treated equally with men or not?

Have you considered the idea that how you treat other people is about how YOU treat other people; and not making it conditional?

"Love your neighbor", for example, is not conditional on if your neighbor is nice to you.
Being respectful to women is not conditional on women conforming to what you think a woman ought to act like--it's about YOU being respectful.

It is a reprobate mind that perverts what is good and crushes it down to self-serving sinful lust.

"For the carnal mind is death, but the Spiritual mind is life and peace. For this reason the carnally minded hate God, and are in open rebellion to and unable to obey God's Law. Thus those who are carnal cannot please God." - Romans 8:6-8

For full exegetical transparency, I have paraphrased the expression γὰρ νόμῳ τοῦ θεοῦ οὐχ ὑποτάσσεται οὐδὲ γὰρ δύναται which more literally translates "for it does not submit to God's law, nor can it" as "in open rebellion to and unable to obey God's Law" as I believed this to be capturing the essence of the Apostle's point about how a mind driven and consumed with the self-guided and self-centered sinful impulses (φρόνημα τῆς σαρκὸς, "the flesh-driven mind") is both hostile and incapable of living according to God's ways.

-CryptoLutheran

BCP1928 · 2025-08-15T10:22:38-0500

Oompa Loompa said:
I disagree. Christian marriages will be happier and more fulfilling if they followed the instructions outlined in Ephesians. Traditional women who hold traditional values ought to be treated with chivalry and deserve a traditional man who will protect and provide.

And for men and women who want to live that way, it's just fine. But no one should be forced to it. It's just one model out of many, even for Christian men and women.

Oompa Loompa said:
Modern women feminists who hold to modern values in which they not only believe they are equal to men, but in many ways, better than men, they deserve to be treated like a man and fend for themselves. So I really do not see this "hole" that I am supposedly digging. Perhaps you can explain?

No, they deserve to be treated like the women they are. That "treated like a man" invokes a stereotype--if we can't reat them like tradwives the only other option is to treat them like men, because they have usurped social roles you think belong to men.

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