Does Jesus have the power to raise all dead humans from a decade ago?

PatrickTate said:

I do believe that there may be a few comparisons between human developed technology with what Jesus as The Word has developed over infinite time in the past.

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Codswallop.

PatrickTate said:

I have reason to believe that the human spirit or soul may have capabilities that to at least some degree can be compared with human memory and files within a computer memory package.

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Not sure what that was supposed to mean. Computer "memory" is comparable of writing notes on the back of an envelope, except much small and manipulable by electronic means.

PatrickTate said:

Although Pastor Rick Joyner is merely human

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As opposed to...?

PatrickTate said:

I believe that his book is so off the scale intelligent that I believe that he must have been given this visionary dream by the Holy Spirit???

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I didn't find it so.

PatrickTate said:

I do believe that there may be a few comparisons between human developed technology with what Jesus as The Word has developed over infinite time in the past.

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And aliens, and AI, and, and String Theory, and the immanentization of the eschaton, and the Multiverse and stuff. Yeah

PatrickTate said:

I have reason to believe that the human spirit or soul may have capabilities that to at least some degree can be compared with human memory and files within a computer memory package.

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Except the computer memory.

The time has been set, for the resurrection and judgment of all the dead and whoever is alive and remain.

Why would he raise a portion call those who have died and reset time?

After the resurrection of the Dead time will no longer exist, the end of days mean the end of time, time equals days, time equals death, there will be no more death when time ends.

PatrickTate said:

Yes... I do believe that all of these topics do somehow fit together.

I do believe that Christians should not lightly and immediately laugh at a twenty five year veteran of the FBI but should instead prayerfully consider his testimony.

John DeSouza 25 year veteran of the FBI John DeSouza is exposing the truth of the UAP invasion

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UAPs. OK
"Drones?" Obviously.
"Roswell Technology? Ain't no such thing.
"Defy the Laws of Physics?" Nope. Nothing with mass "defies the laws of physics; nothing." But they'll spoof the bejeebers out of radar, IR, and pretty much whatever electronic tracking stuff you have. Electronic Counter Measures par excellance.
"Not Made in the US? " Probably not, probably China.
"Attack civilian aircraft?" Bad idea, whoever is driving them, unless they'd like to risk actual nuclear war.
"Extra dimensional/terrestrial UFOs?" Still nonsense after all these years.
"Autonomous AI?" Maybe. Make some interesting "fire and forget", "launch and leave" stuff that you'd like to keep the bad guys looking at them instead of you when you're ready to take your business elsewhere.

Should we be worried about high-zoot EW drones? Oh yeah, just forget the notion that they're magic. Ligon's Law sill obtains: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguisable from magic or a rigged demo.

Religious significance? None.

Takeaway for Christians: None, really. The world has always been a scary place. Don't buy into pagan rubbish peddled by people pushing alien/paranormal/magic/satanical/lgeneral woowoo "explanations" for products of one-generation-ahead technology. It's a great way to manipulate the gullible and credulous.

PatrickTate said:

Yes... I do believe that all of these topics do somehow fit together.

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General they're all things that can be used to manipulate the credulous.

PatrickTate said:

I do believe that Christians should not lightly and immediately laugh at a twenty five year veteran of the FBI but should instead prayerfully consider his testimony.

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He was spot on coming out of the gate, then he veered off into woowoo land with his interdimensional UFOs.

His notion of a transnational cabal running the UAP stuff is GP conspiracy blather. Far more likely to be the Chinese, who are as close to being a race of engineers (yes, I know that's racist, but it's hard to make the average "can't-add-2+2-without-a-calculator" American understand the reality of how far we are behind them in sheer technological brainpower) as have ever existed. That scary tech isn't coming from galaxies far, far away, it's coming from just the other side of thr Pacific. And if you think it has to be magic or aliens, then that's part of the reason they're as far ahead of us as they are.

PatrickTate said:

Yes... I do believe that all of these topics do somehow fit together.

I do believe that Christians should not lightly and immediately laugh at a twenty five year veteran of the FBI but should instead prayerfully consider his testimony.

John DeSouza 25 year veteran of the FBI John DeSouza is exposing the truth of the UAP invasion

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And the US government has been searching and has had seven or eight different agencies from the project signed to project Blue book since 1947.

Presidents Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter file reports on seeing unidentified flying objects.

President Barack Obama said something is up there and we don't know what it is.

There is a lot of information out there and regular people see them every day.

And it's nothing new the ancients wrote of it too.

PatrickTate said:

Yes... I do believe that all of these topics do somehow fit together.

I do believe that Christians should not lightly and immediately laugh at a twenty five year veteran of the FBI but should instead prayerfully consider his testimony.

John DeSouza 25 year veteran of the FBI John DeSouza is exposing the truth of the UAP invasion

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It is not an invasion, they've always been watching. Even George Washington wrote about them. The Sumerians in the Egyptians wrote about them the Sumerians in more details.

Old paintings

Ezekiel Wheels, and he did say that the cherubims were in the wheels.

The chariots of God?

God took Enoch and Elijah up, would be considered alien abduction today.

PatrickTate said:

Truly well said. I do believe that there is zero contradiction between the modern UFO phenomena with the Biblical record and The Book of Enoch is quoted in the New Testament. The Book of Enoch is pretty obviously dealing with humans being in contact with beings that were far more technologically advanced than we are but...... they were not exactly angels.

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Questions are what is an angel, how does an angel truly look, isn't our concept of angels the concept of those passed down through the centuries. Do angels actually have bird wings, maybe, possibly the cherubims and sep. Or is that just a way for the ancients to understand the abilities angels have, wings or what birds use for flight. Why would spiritual beings need wings? A couple of studies below



Scriptures tells us the Angels appeared in the forms of man, isn't that's indicating that they have the ability to change forms or the ability to mentally cause men to see them in the forms of man.

John tells us that when Christ comes back we will be like him and we will see him AS HE IS

The Bible indicates to us that Satan has the power to transform himself into an angel of light.


Revelation 1:17-18 when John saw Jesus he fell down as if he was dead that's indicating Jesus scared the bejeebies out of him. And there are other places in Scripture where people saw angels and fell down in fear and dread, like what happened to Zachariah, what did they see?
Thank you for the conversation

PatrickTate said:

I think that you are correct and yes the ancients wrote about this phenomena as well.

This is a good summary of the topic by somebody who already had their doctorate in Theology even before they had a near death experience. Kevin Zadai Th. D. feels that we need to be well informed about this.

New Revelation on the Coming Alien Disclosure—Don’t Fall for It!​

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And Roswell military personnel said they had a flying saucer and the next day took it back and said it was a weather balloon. Even in elementary student would know the difference between a weather balloon and some form of metal. The US government wanted that technology and wanted to keep it hush hush. Plus the United States begin their UFO projects right after that discovery, and are still ongoing today just the names have changed.

Personally, from what I've witnessed and as it is written in scripture the whole world will see Jesus coming from the clouds with his angels, most will be calling it alien invasion!

truthuprootsevil said:

Personally, from what I've witnessed and as it is written in scripture the whole world will see Jesus coming from the clouds with his angels, most will be calling it alien invasion!

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When Christ comes again, I don't believe that there will be time for anyone to call it an alien invasion, and when He comes, He will be recognised, willingly or unwillingly:

“Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.” (Re 1:7 NKJV)

Not, "And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of an alien invasion."

David Lamb said:

When Christ comes again, I don't believe that there will be time for anyone to call it an alien invasion, and when He comes, He will be recognised, willingly or unwillingly:

“Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.” (Re 1:7 NKJV)

Not, "And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of an alien invasion."

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Sir I did not give reference to all the tribes, I said MOST PEOPLE.

Indeed it does say they will see him and the tribes of the earth will mourn because of him, it doesn't say that they know who he is at the time when he is first seen. But the Bible indicates they will, because they will be running and hiding calling for the mountains to fall upon them and such.

I'm not too sure about how much time will pass between his return and the battle of Armageddon. But the people don't know who he is, they are going to try to fight him. Then when they see the outcome they will realize they made a big mistake.

One does it need a lot of time to feel that aliens are invading. A radio show back in the 1930s or 40s or 50s had those who listen to the show thinking aliens were invading and they didn't see anything. If most people see the sky full of something unknown coming down to earth it will be an instant thought of what is it. And if it displays technology, fear will set in instantly. And the angels being with Jesus will probably have the skies full they are innumerable. Whether it is believed a foreign country is attacking or an aliens are invading, fear grief and mourning will be almost instant.

Doesn't fear, grief, mourning, intertwine?




Thanks for the chat.

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David Lamb said:

When Christ comes again, I don't believe that there will be time for anyone to call it an alien invasion, and when He comes, He will be recognised, willingly or unwillingly:

“Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.” (Re 1:7 NKJV)

Not, "And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of an alien invasion."

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I feel a need to add one can also mourn for their own life, grieve for their own life, once realized it is about to end. But you know this.

truthuprootsevil said:

Sir I did not give reference to all the tribes, I said MOST PEOPLE.

Indeed it does say they will see him and the tribes of the earth will mourn because of him, it doesn't say that they know who he is at the time when he is first seen. But the Bible indicates they will, because they will be running and hiding calling for the mountains to fall upon them and such.

I'm not too sure about how much time will pass between his return and the battle of Armageddon. But the people don't know who he is, they are going to try to fight him. Then when they see the outcome they will realize they made a big mistake.

One does it need a lot of time to feel that aliens are invading. A radio show back in the 1930s or 40s or 50s had those who listen to the show thinking aliens were invading and they didn't see anything. If most people see the sky full of something unknown coming down to earth it will be an instant thought of what is it. And if it displays technology, fear will set in instantly. And the angels being with Jesus will probably have the skies full they are innumerable. Whether it is believed a foreign country is attacking or an aliens are invading, fear grief and mourning will be almost instant.

Doesn't fear, grief, mourning, intertwine?




Thanks for the chat.

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Thank you for replying. I would say that "all the tribes of the earth" in Revelation 1:7 means "everybody." You say: " it doesn't say that they know who he is at the time when he is first seen," but if they don't know Who He is, why are they mourning because of Him?

David Lamb said:

Thank you for replying. I would say that "all the tribes of the earth" in Revelation 1:7 means "everybody." You say: " it doesn't say that they know who he is at the time when he is first seen," but if they don't know Who He is, why are they mourning because of Him?

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I feel they mourn because of what they see him doing, he's coming to destroy this Earth. These are people who don't believe in his existence, do not believe in the existence of God or what the Bible says. And out of fear of what they see they wage war against him.

Since 1947 the US government started programs seeking extraterrestrial life UFOs back then they called them flying saucers. There were a total of eight programs and the span of an estimated 60 years. And they're still seeking them today. Holding a few Congressional hearings with military personnel and what they've seen. Even the Pentagon releasing Air Force radar of what they call uap's (unidentified aerial phenomenon) today instead of UFOs and the comments of the military's controllers . Even President Obama stated something is up there and they don't know what it is and said there are a lot of things he can't talk about. Presidents Carter & Reagan filed reports on seeing unidentified flying objects. They have UFO reporting databases. And this is worldwide, not just this country people who testified to seeing crafts doing unimaginable feats. That is why I say they will be screaming alien invasion. There is a lot of sort of thing going on. They don't know who Christ is and I believe alien invasion is the first thing that will come to mind, it's in the news and it's on the mind of many, many people ...

UFOs are just what the name stgands for UNIDENTIFIED flying objects. They could be angels, the could be demons, they could be meteors, they could be hallucinations, they could be space juck or spacecraft, they could be drones, on and on, ad infinitum. They could be anything that your imaginations can contrive, BECAUSE NO ONE HAS IDENTIFIED THEM. U-fos, right? So everybody gets to make up their very own sure 'nuff, no doubt, cold gots to be IDENTIFICATION of whatever they reckon the thing they couldn't identify "really is".

Right.

So the unco pious know that the UFOs are either angels keeping watch over us, or demonst rying to desceive us into believing they're not demons. The less pious declare that they're interstellar spacecraft, because the universe is JUST SO BLOODY BIG that it has to be full of spacemen who drive flying saucers, and whose greates joy is driving them to planets zillions of light years away and doing pointless and inexplicable things because. well, that's just what aliens do after a long boring flying saucer ride, and you just prove they don't!

Me? I'm an old enginer, so my imaginings are boering in the extreme. I reckon maybe, say, 90% of the UFO sightings are of perfectly ordinary stuff seen under less-than-perfect-conditions. BTW, I got that number, from MUFON, the oldest and least weird of the UFO investigation outfits. They investigate these reports, and on average about 90% of them are boring atuff like airplanes. (MUFON is probably infested with old killjoys.) Thet other 10% are... wait for it... unidentified. Who'd a thunk it? Zat mean they're spacement and/or demons? Nope, it means there's not enough information to say what they were at all But that's boring, so we make up cool stories.

Now to me, the really cool srories are the ones like The Nimitz Incident. Even the name is cool. innit? Loads of UFOs (or UAPs if you prefer) flying around, and one big "tic;tac:". Pretty cool. So what does old Jipsah say to that? The real bogey (AND MAYBE THE ONLY REAL ONE)... the TIC TAC. A really cool drone stuffed with 5th (or 6th) generation ecm's designed to make their enemies "see" (via their instruments), a sky full of aircraft that "defy the laws of Physics" in the only way possible - by being massless radio RF images of stuff that isn't really there.

But nobody has the tech to do that! Really? ECMs have been doing that for decades, just not nearly as well. But hey, it's more fun believing that we're being surveilled by aliens from light years away doing pointless and inexplicable stuff, than it is to think that maybe it's the product of a very old earthly nation that has a huge population of statististically speaking very brainy people and who produces engineers and scientists at a rate that ought to frighten anyone who might be forced to compete with them in a technological wrasslin' match. Just sayin'.

Nah, spacemen or demons. Cain't be nothin' else. Old Bill Ockham would be proud of ya.