Hegseth Boosts Video of Pastors Saying Women Shouldn't Vote, Advocating Repeal of 19th Amendment

BCP1928 · Tuesday at 7:57 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
Maybe the men should give them the right to be drafted just like how they gave them the right to vote?

It was not in their power to "give" that right to women, only to deny it to them.

BCP1928 · Tuesday at 7:58 PM

Pommer said:
Having delved into Wilson’s opinions a bit deeper, he’s not actually in favor of disenfranchising women, but going to a system whereby “households” would hold the franchise. The head of the household would deliberate with his family, then vote according to his conscience. Widows would have a vote. Single women would be under their father’s vote, as would wives be under their husband’s. Obviously, men over 18 would still be under “Dad’s” as well, but he never really spelled things out.

What possible justification does the man have for dishing out that kind of primitive bigotry?

GoldenBoy89 · Tuesday at 9:40 PM

Some here apparently don’t believe our rights are endowed to us by a creator. They are granted (by men) and can be withdrawn. I’m not big on the “creator” line but inalienable rights is pretty unambiguous.

ViaCrucis · Tuesday at 10:05 PM

There needs to be a universal suffrage amendment. It's way past due here.

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ViaCrucis · Tuesday at 10:07 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
I am okay with women voting if they have to register for the draft. Do you oppose women equality?

Better solution: Abolish the draft entirely.

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Bradskii · Tuesday at 10:27 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
If I elected a person who knowingly would potentially start a war in which I could be drafted, then yes. But because women cannot be drafted, because they are women, they have no skin in the game.

My guess is that you're over 25. You have no skin in the game either. Looks like you just argued that you shouldn't be allowed to vote as well.

BCP1928 · Tuesday at 10:31 PM

Looking back, when the country needed to be defended, women were not shy about stepping forward, both in the military services and by taking over "men's" jobs--without being drafted..

Oompa Loompa · Tuesday at 10:52 PM

iluvatar5150 said:
This entire draft thing is a canard. Nobody in this country has been drafted in over 50 years and there's not even a whiff of it happening again in the future. If half the country was ready to revolt over a covid vaccine, what would happen if they actually were sent off to die?

This draft nonsense is nothing more than an excuse for you to rail on the same feminists who've fought to get women allowed into a variety of combat and leadership roles - roles that Hegseth has said he doesn't think should be open to women.

So, please, spare us your feigned outrage.

I am okay with women in combat roles if they can maintain male standards...which they statically cannot.

Oompa Loompa · Tuesday at 10:55 PM

Bradskii said:
My guess is that you're over 25. You have no skin in the game either. Looks like you just argued that you shouldn't be allowed to vote as well.

Nope. I am saying that either women want equality, or they want entitlement. Perhaps we can give women a choice, considering feminists are all about having choices. The choice is either sign up for selective service, or wave their right to vote.

Oompa Loompa · Tuesday at 11:00 PM

BCP1928 said:
It was not in their power to "give" that right to women, only to deny it to them.

Not true. It was an entirely male congress that ammended the constitution to give women the right to vote. Women should thank men for it.

Yttrium · Tuesday at 11:02 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
I am okay with women in combat roles if they can maintain male standards...which they statically cannot.

I think you mean "statistically". And that's irrelevant. Many women can maintain the standards, and those should be allowed in the combat positions.

Oompa Loompa · Tuesday at 11:03 PM

Belk said:
They want the same thing so they don't want equality? This is your argument?

Let me draw this out in crayon. When someone turns 18, whether male or female, should have a choice to either register for the draft, or wave their right to vote.

Yttrium · Tuesday at 11:05 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
The choice is either sign up for selective service, or wave their right to vote.

That position has the distinction of being both illogical and ludicrous.

Oompa Loompa · Tuesday at 11:05 PM

Yttrium said:
I think you mean "statistically". And that's irrelevant. Many women can maintain the standards, and those should be allowed in the combat positions.

No. Of the top 1% of women, only 1% of them can actually maintain male physical fitness standards. Those very elite few are marginal at best. Studies have been done about it during the Obama admistration. Check it out.

Yttrium · Tuesday at 11:09 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
No. Of the top 1% of women, only 1% of them can actually maintain male physical fitness standards. Those very elite few are marginal at best. Studies have been done about it during the Obama admistration. Check it out.

What male physical fitness standards? Different services and different combat positions have different standards. And even in the positions that have such high standards, 1% is still a lot of women.

Oompa Loompa · Tuesday at 11:17 PM

I think that any Christian who is opposed to the video should carefully read Ephesians 5:21-33. If they are uncomfortable with it, that is an issue between them and God. I see nothing Biblically wrong with the pastor's message in the video.

Oompa Loompa · Tuesday at 11:23 PM

Yttrium said:
What male physical fitness standards? Different services and different combat positions have different standards. And even in the positions that have such high standards, 1% is still a lot of women.

It doesnt matter. Pick a branch, any branch, and tell women to hold themselve to the male standards and they will crumble. The Marine Corps did a study but Obama basically said, screw it, we are putting them in combat roles anyway.

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Bradskii · Tuesday at 11:46 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
Nope. I am saying that either women want equality, or they want entitlement. Perhaps we can give women a choice, considering feminists are all about having choices. The choice is either sign up for selective service, or wave their right to vote

This isn't a thread about women being drafted. You were simply asked if you wanted women to vote. Your response bizarrely brought the draft in to it and it was as clear as it could be: they couldn't be drafted so you didn't want them to have the vote. You didn't want someone who wasn't going to be drafted to make decisions on whether you fight in a war. Women can't be drafted so therefore you don't want them to vote.

All that was clearly laid out and is there for all to see. No draft? No vote! As we can see:

Oompa Loompa said:
But because women cannot be drafted, because they are women, they have no skin in the game.

Sorry ladies. Anyone who 'cannot be drafted' doesn't get to vote. Because...

Oompa Loompa said:
...their opinions as to where and when we go to war and who the commander in chief is, is mute.

And as I said: 'Women don't have to sign for the draft and in fact they are not allowed to do so'. Your response?

Oompa Loompa said:
Then I am not okay with them voting...

It really couldn't be made plainer. Yet you have just denied yourself the vote, as you can't be drafted. Unless, and here's the nub, your argument only applies to women. So if women can't be drafted then they lose the vote. But if men can't be drafted, they keep it. That's about as misogynist as it could be. Stay in the kitchen, ladies. Get the dinner cooked, the dishes cleaned, the hoovering done and leave all the important decisions to us men!

Bradskii · Tuesday at 11:54 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
Let me draw this out in crayon. When someone turns 18, whether male or female, should have a choice to either register for the draft, or wave their right to vote.

You missed a bit:

When someone turns 18 and if they are under 25, whether male or female, should have a choice to either register for the draft, or wave their right to vote.

You can't register. You just waived your right to vote. Can I second the motion?

Bradskii · Wednesday at 12:00 AM

Oompa Loompa said:
I think that any Christian who is opposed to the video should carefully read Ephesians 5:21-33. If they are uncomfortable with it, that is an issue between them and God. I see nothing Biblically wrong with the pastor's message in the video.

That's better. No nonsense about drafts. Just a simple biblical verse that says that your wife should submit to you. Therefore, runs your logic, she doesn't get the vote.

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