Hegseth Boosts Video of Pastors Saying Women Shouldn't Vote, Advocating Repeal of 19th Amendment

ozso · Monday at 8:47 AM

iluvatar5150 said:
And yet, that's exactly what you did when you wrote this:

The CNN narrator claimed (accurately) that Wilson held these views, but opted to use footage of his associates describing those views. You went beyond the OP by making claims that amount to accusing the CNN report of being dishonest about Wilson's position on the matter and, essentially, finding him guilty by association.

Yep the narrator's claim came off as bogus because they aired someone else other than Wilson making the statement.

DaisyDay · Monday at 10:22 AM

Richard T said:
I wonder if these Christian nationalists know that there never was a Federal ban on women voting. They were not allowed to vote because of the state rules. Some states/territories allowed women to vote as early as 1869 (Wyoming territory.)

While there was no federal ban, eventually federal laws were passed that put individual rights, such as the right to vote, over states rights.

Oompa Loompa · Monday at 11:59 AM

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
Some American churches claim that societal issues stem from women working outside the home, arguing that women should focus on raising children instead. They are wrong

They are not wrong, but I would argue that the greatest contributor to many of the societal issues are the absent father.

Oompa Loompa · Monday at 12:00 PM

FAITH-IN-HIM said:
Didn't the US military open all combat roles to women in 2013? Which service are you referring to?

Women are not required to sign up for the draft.

Oompa Loompa · Monday at 12:02 PM

durangodawood said:
What post of yours answered that question?

Post 14

durangodawood · Monday at 12:05 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
Post 14

That said zero about her disposition toward having the right to vote.

FAITH-IN-HIM · Monday at 12:42 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
They are not wrong, but I would argue that the greatest contributor to many of the societal issues are the absent father.

Indeed they are wrong. The Bible states that sin entered through Adam, which led to society's corruption.

If a nuclear family were all that was required for a good society, then society during the time of Jesus would have been ideal, and there would have been no need for Jesus to die on the cross.

FAITH-IN-HIM · Monday at 12:49 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
Women are not required to sign up for the draft.

If that's all it takes to vote for the country, I believe women in USA wouldn't object. You and I both support Israel, where women are required to serve in the IDF. Norway and Sweden also draft women into the military, and these two countries are considered more feminist than the US.

Oompa Loompa · Monday at 2:13 PM

durangodawood said:
That said zero about her disposition toward having the right to vote.

My wife agrees with my position.

jayem · Monday at 2:58 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
Women are not required to sign up for the draft.

No one is subject to be drafted. That was ended by Pres. Nixon in 1973. And ever since then, we have a volunteer military.

Pommer · Monday at 6:13 PM

ozso said:
One shouldn't have to go beyond what's contained in the OP.

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Richard T · Monday at 6:31 PM

DaisyDay said:
While there was no federal ban, eventually federal laws were passed that put individual rights, such as the right to vote, over states rights.

Yes, some states were too slow so the Federal Government did the right thing. It will never be overturned but I do like to know who actually in power would agree with such a suggestion.

Bradskii · Monday at 9:42 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
I answered the question.

No, you didn't. And you know you didn't. And anyone reading this thread knows that you didn't. You just said that your wife stayed at home to look after your kids. Again, well done to her. But you avoided the question. Which was to ask you how she'd feel about losing the vote. And instead of saying what any reasonable person would say, that the idea that Hegseth re-posted is outrageous, you avoid answering because it seems that you are incapable of criticising anyone in this Administration.

I'll give you a heads up on what that actually means. If a politician says something remarkably stupid and a supporter of that person refuses to acknowledge how absolutely bat guano crazy it is, then they, by doing so, have destroyed their own credibility.

Bradskii · Monday at 10:28 PM

Oompa Loompa said:
My wife agrees with my position.

I really can't be certain exactly what that is. Maybe you could confirm if you think women should have the vote or not.

jayem · Monday at 11:45 PM

I'm going off topic. The worst aspect of American Presidential voting isn't gender of the voters. It's the exceptionally obsolete and undemocratic Electoral College. When you vote for the President, you're actually voting for a panel of electors in each state. Who are lackeys, appointed by your state's Republican and Democratic parties. So when you vote for a candidate in November, you're actually voting for these middlemen. And whichever candidate gets the most popular votes in their state, gets all of that state's electoral votes (except for Maine and Nebraska, who's electoral votes are divided.) In mid-December, the electoral vote totals are sent to Congress. Where they're counted in a joint session on Jan. 6. Whichever candidate gets at least 270 electoral votes, wins the Presidency. In essence, this ridiculous method of electing a President disenfranchises the voters. It makes states more important than people. The President (along with the VP) should be elected by a simple, nationwide popular vote. It's the people--nationwide--who should decide who becomes the President. Not the political hacks of the parties. It will take a Constitutional amendment to trash our current electoral stupidity. It won't happen in my lifetime. But it's time will come.

Sorry for my off-topic rant.

Oompa Loompa · Tuesday at 12:14 AM

Bradskii said:
I really can't be certain exactly what that is. Maybe you could confirm if you think women should have the vote or not.

I am okay with women voting if they have to register for the draft. Do you oppose women equality?

Bradskii · Tuesday at 1:03 AM

Oompa Loompa said:
I am okay with women voting if they have to register for the draft.

Women don't have to sign for the draft and in fact they are not allowed to do so: Can Females Be Drafted in the US? The Current Law

'Females are not currently required to register for Selective Service, nor are they permitted to do so voluntarily.'

So it looks like we have your answer. You don't think that women should have the vote.

If you can now hear the leaves rustling outside or a dog barking in the far distance, it's because you are now experiencing what could be described as 'a stunned silence'. I wonder how prevalent this position actually is. I must admit, I would never have thought of asking anyone in the forum as I would never have believed that someone would hold to this position.

Now this is somewhat of a personal question, so you are free to skip answering it...but does your wife actually know? If you are discussing politics in general or a specific politician with some friends and your wife and one of the women says 'Well, I wouldn't vote for him...' has it ever come up when you say 'Well actually, if it was up to me, you wouldn't be able to vote anyway'?

Oompa Loompa · Tuesday at 1:55 AM

Bradskii said:
Women don't have to sign for the draft and in fact they are not allowed to do so: Can Females Be Drafted in the US? The Current Law

Then I am not okay with them voting and potentially sending me to die in war.

Bradskii · Tuesday at 2:34 AM

Oompa Loompa said:
Then I am not okay with them voting...

Yeah, we got that. It is no longer in dispute. Best left to the guys, eh? Can't have the ladies deciding what we do.

Oompa Loompa said:
... and potentially sending me to die in war.*

Any other restrictions that you'd like to bring up? Atheists? Unemployed? Asians? Gays? People with a lisp? Because, as you pointed out, other people, not like you, might end up making decisions with which you disagree. It might be best to stop them voting to prevent that.

As Bones might say: 'It's democracy, Jim. But not as we know it'.

*Don't forget that you can always use the 'Bone Spur Defence'.

Paidiske · Tuesday at 3:21 AM

Bradskii said:
I must admit, I would never have thought of asking anyone in the forum as I would never have believed that someone would hold to this position.

You haven't been paying attention then, Bradskii. I've seen it openly advocated on these forums.

Chilling, no?

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