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I believe that ALL who ever lived will be in God’s Kingdom

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The word "till" defines the boundary of this word "beginning" ...
Why are you trying to justify Satan is a more interesting question. Jesus didn't say Satan was holy nor did any other prophet

The notions of holy Satan who went bad/rogue from making bad decisions is a freewill fairytale
 
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Why are you trying to justify Satan is a more interesting question. Jesus didn't say Satan was holy nor did any other prophet

The notions of holy Satan who went bad/rogue from making bad decisions is a freewill fairytale
I don't see it from a son divided ...
 
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I don't see it from a son divided ...
I seriously try to ask legitimate questions, such as: Do you think Satan was once a holy angel who made some bad freewill decisions and turned into Satan?

Or maybe Satan is the brother of Jesus?
 
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I believe these scriptures are clear about that. Am I misunderstanding?

1 John 4:14 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

1 Timothy 4:10 For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.

Lamentations 3:31 For the Lord will not cast off forever

Romans 5:18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.

Romans 11:32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

John 12:32 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL people to myself.”

Revelation 21:5 And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”

2 Corinthians 5:19 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

John 6:51
I am the living bread that came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever. And the bread that I will give for the life of the world is my flesh.”

2 Corinthians 5:14-15 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; 15 and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.

Colossians 1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.

John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

Luke 3:6 and all flesh shall see the salvation of God

Philippians 2:10-11 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Romans 10:9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

2 Samuel 14:14 We must all die; we are like water spilled on the ground, which cannot be gathered up again. But God will not take away life, and he devises means so that the banished one will not remain an outcast.

Ephesians 1:10 As a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in Him, things in heaven and things on earth.

John 1:29 The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!"

1 Corinthians 15:22-28
22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For “God[c] has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him. 28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.

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Dear Beth77,
I most certainly agree that Jesus Christ will save every person who has ever lived. He established a plan to accomplish it before the ages began. Nothing has been left to chance or to mankind's "will".

What most people don't understand is that God's purpose for this creation is to produce His offspring. What mankind is going through is the birth process of becoming a child of God. This is the meaning of life that eludes most people.

In this present age, Christ is only converting the people who were chosen for an early salvation. They are the Elect. Christ will not convert anyone else during this age.

In the next and final age, the balance of mankind will be judged in the Lake of Fire. However, before any of them perish (the true penalty of sin), Christ will have mercy upon them. His mercy will come to them as the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit which will give them their faith and their new birth. The newly born child of God will then be gathered to heaven just as the Elect were and the child of the Devil (who they used to be) will remain in the Lake of Fire to perish. This death will satisfy justice.

This verse below applies to Christ's judgment of the balance of mankind in the Lake of Fire:

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

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All have been, or will be, given the chance to repent of sin and get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.
Only those who chose to do so will be saved on the day of judgement.
Dear Hoping2,

You are not considering this verse:

1Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

A chance? Mankind's salvation is not a chance, it is a certainty.

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Salvation comes to a person solely by the work of Jesus Christ that He does within them. To change an unbeliever into a believer, Christ will come to the person while they are rejecting him and freely give the person the Early Rain of the Spirit. Christ gives them this free gift without their asking for it and without their permission to give it to them.

Paul's Damascus Road experience is a "type" for how Christ gives an unbeliever the Early Rain of the Spirit. Paul received the Latter Rain 3 days later in Damascus to complete his conversion. You should read Acts chapter 9 about Paul's full conversion experience - it is very revealing. We all will follow this pattern for our salvation (1Tim 1:16).

Like with Paul, after a person is given the Early Rain, they can no longer reject Christ. They will 100% of the time accept Him as their Lord. Without the indwelling Spirit, a person will has no ability to have faith in Christ because of what these scriptures teach about mankind's spiritual nature that we all have from birth:

Rom 3:10 As it is written, there is none righteous, no, not one: 11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity
(hatred) against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.


1Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


All mankind is born with a marred spirit which quickly causes mankind's mind to become carnal. Eve is shown to have had a carnal mind just prior to her sinning. In fact, it was her carnal mind that caused her to sin.

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food (LUST OF THE FLESH), and that it was pleasant to the eyes (LUST OF THE EYES), and a tree to be desired to make one wise (PRIDE OF LIFE), she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

And like Eve, all mankind has a carnal mind. It is the carnal mind that hates God and causes mankind to sin.

If Christ did not individually come to mankind and freely give each person the Early Rain of the Spirit, no one would have any faith in Him. In this present age, Christ is just getting started with His work of saving mankind. By the end of the final age, all mankind will have received the free gift of salvation. We all must wait on the Lord to save us. We have no ability to save ourselves.

Jer 14:22 Are there any among the vanities of the Gentiles that can cause rain? or can the heavens give showers? art not thou he, O LORD our God? therefore we will wait upon thee: for thou hast made all these things.

The spirit word "rain" represents the Holy Spirit. Only Christ can give a person this rain.

Hos 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he (Christ) shall come unto us as the Rain, as the Latter and Early Rain unto the earth.

Joe
 
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The notions of holy Satan who went bad/rogue from making bad decisions is a freewill fairytale
To believe freewill is a fairytale is an exercise of freewill ...
 
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I seriously try to ask legitimate questions, such as: Do you think Satan was once a holy angel who made some bad freewill decisions and turned into Satan?

Or maybe Satan is the brother of Jesus?
Whats your take on the 2/3rds of the angels in heaven that didn’t get cast to the ground by a dragon's tail?
 
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To believe freewill is a fairytale is an exercise of freewill ...
well we know our will is not separate from Gods will, but none the less Adam chose to eat of it and so iniquity was found in him, as in his nakedness was revealed to him with the help of the women who God removed from him for this very purpose, seeing he was naked before the serpent entered into the garden by way of the law in the form of a commandment spoken ... to say we choose a serpent/devil is to say we create our own image of self and therefor God\truth, and so this image by way of a tree bearing two fruits becomes our curse ... cursed is any man hung on a tree or reasons between two sons ...
 
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well we know our will is not separate from Gods will, but none the less Adam chose to eat of it and so iniquity was found in him, as in his nakedness was revealed to him with the help of the women who God removed from him for this very purpose, seeing he was naked before the serpent entered into the garden by way of the law in the form of a commandment spoken ... to say we choose a serpent/devil is to say we create our own image of self and therefor God\truth, and so this image by way of a tree bearing two fruits becomes our curse ... cursed is any man hung on a tree or reasons between two sons ...
The law of our mother/mind (like the scriptures) can not be broken ... without the losing of our soul, which has been the door to the truth of self from the beginning ...
 
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Whats your take on the 2/3rds of the angels in heaven that didn’t get cast to the ground by a dragon's tail?
I don't recall seeing any "Holy" Angels falling from anywhere and becoming devils.

You?
 
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Whats your take on the 2/3rds of the angels in heaven that didn’t get cast to the ground by a dragon's tail?

interesting question ... my view at present is when we reason between the two a 3rd is birthed out from them ... interesting Noah has three sons and the younger sees his nakedness but two do not and we also know that what comes out is feminine in relation to what it came out from being masculine, as in a truth cast down ... and we also know the tail speaks to the perception of flesh as in the natural mind as apposed to being spiritually minded which we know is to only eat of that which grows of itself and this the chosen fast and so when we view this as the three feasts the two thirds that where not cast out are Passover\wisdom and Tabernacles\understanding seeing its Pentecost\knowledge which be the reasoning between the two likened to a field we labor in caught between two mountains of which they speak to the law ... so am i correct to say the two thirds that are not cast down are yet another picture of the two witnesses pictured as the two cherubs holding a flaming sword who keep the gate ( way back ) open ...
 
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interesting question ... my view at present is when we reason between the two a 3rd is birthed out from them ... interesting Noah has three sons and the younger sees his nakedness but two do not and we also know that what comes out is feminine in relation to what it came out from being masculine, as in a truth cast down ... and we also know the tail speaks to the perception of flesh as in the natural mind as apposed to being spiritually minded which we know is to only eat of that which grows of itself and this the chosen fast and so when we view this as the three feasts the two thirds that where not cast out are Passover\wisdom and Tabernacles\understanding seeing its Pentecost\knowledge which be the reasoning between the two likened to a field we labor in caught between two mountains of which they speak to the law ... so am i correct to say the two thirds that are not cast down are yet another picture of the two witnesses pictured as the two cherubs holding a flaming sword who keep the gate ( way back ) open ...
Deuteronomy 30:15
See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

Choosing life and good never eliminated the other matters set, nor was it meant to. It is good to speak truthfully, even if the conclusions are personally derogatory.

A vision sheet descended on Peter and the earth, filled with unclean animals, and the Lord directed him to eat. He derived from that to call no man common or unclean, and that God had cleansed the people everywhere.

The whole earth has a covering that God will at some time, destroy. The covering can't be seen. But the works of it are thought, spoken and acted out continually. The cherubs wings covered the mercy seat. The sword blocks the garden way

The password to the Mercy Seat is GUILTY
 
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Deuteronomy 30:15
See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

Choosing life and good never eliminated the other matters set, nor was it meant to. It is good to speak truthfully, even if the conclusions are personally derogatory.

A vision sheet descended on Peter and the earth, filled with unclean animals, and the Lord directed him to eat. He derived from that to call no man common or unclean, and that God had cleansed the people everywhere.

The whole earth has a covering that God will at some time, destroy. The covering can't be seen. But the works of it are thought, spoken and acted out continually. The cherubs wings covered the mercy seat. The sword blocks the garden way

The password to the Mercy Seat is GUILTY

the chosen fast is not to eat of your own reasoning between two fruits of a tree and it is from here all things become clean, as in even the darkness becomes light ...

Therefore when you shall see 'the abomination of desolation,' having been spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place--the one reading, let him understand--

i see this covering as clear as day ...

when we keep the law 'thou shall not eat of it' the keys to the city are freely given ...
 
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the chosen fast is not to eat of your own reasoning between two fruits of a tree and it is from here all things become clean, as in even the darkness becomes light ...
You understand that is a "new age" package? The ol "don't eat the fruit" and "THEN" magic happens.

pffft

Voodoo who do with the scriptures

The fruit has been et
The usurper of the temple is in the flesh, standing up, plain as darkness

Can you see in the dark?
 
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You understand that is a "new age" package? The ol "don't eat the fruit" and "THEN" magic happens.

pffft

Voodoo who do with the scriptures

The fruit has been et
The usurper of the temple is in the flesh, standing up, plain as darkness

Can you see in the dark?
call it what you will, but to me it is the message\word of the cross ... and yes i see light in the darkness ...
 
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interesting question ... my view at present is when we reason between the two a 3rd is birthed out from them ... interesting Noah has three sons and the younger sees his nakedness but two do not and we also know that what comes out is feminine in relation to what it came out from being masculine, as in a truth cast down ... and we also know the tail speaks to the perception of flesh as in the natural mind as apposed to being spiritually minded which we know is to only eat of that which grows of itself and this the chosen fast and so when we view this as the three feasts the two thirds that where not cast out are Passover\wisdom and Tabernacles\understanding seeing its Pentecost\knowledge which be the reasoning between the two likened to a field we labor in caught between two mountains of which they speak to the law ... so am i correct to say the two thirds that are not cast down are yet another picture of the two witnesses pictured as the two cherubs holding a flaming sword who keep the gate ( way back ) open ...
Refreshing my friend ...

Its amazing where he will take you if we simply let him ... in this place of one ...
 
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well we know our will is not separate from Gods will, but none the less Adam chose to eat of it and so iniquity was found in him, as in his nakedness was revealed to him with the help of the women who God removed from him for this very purpose, seeing he was naked before the serpent entered into the garden by way of the law in the form of a commandment spoken ... to say we choose a serpent/devil is to say we create our own image of self and therefor God\truth, and so this image by way of a tree bearing two fruits becomes our curse ... cursed is any man hung on a tree or reasons between two sons ...
The first helpmeet reveals our nakedness the second helper covers it, or incloses it again ... of course you know this ...
 
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