Hegseth to Return Memorial Biden Tore Down in Arlington National Cemetery

Always in His Presence said:

“My privilege is this, ladies and gentlemen: To declare this chapter in the history of the United States closed and ended, and I bid you turn with me with your faces to the future, quickened by the memories of the past, but with nothing to do with the contests of the past…” — Woodrow Wilson, 1914

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These words are appreciated and appropriately given.

However, what is the reason for erecting a monument to traitors 100 years later, alongside monuments dedicated to Americans who sacrificed their lives for their country?

Valletta said:

Because who you view as a traitor others view as someone they should honor. People interfering with ICE don't see themselves as traitors.

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The above statement reflects the views of many Americans.

There are Americans, particularly in the South, who do not believe that the actions taken by the South were wrong. They maintain that secession from the United States to form a separate nation was justified, and do not view initiating conflict with the United States as improper or treasons.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

The above statement reflects the views of many Americans.

There are Americans, particularly in the South, who do not believe that the actions taken by the South were wrong. They maintain that secession from the United States to form a separate nation was justified, and do not view initiating conflict with the United States as improper or treasons.

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Many on the left think similarly--the ends justifies the means.

Valletta said:

Many on the left think similarly--the ends justifies the means.

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Many think similarly, many think differently - same as actual people do.

DaisyDay said:

Many think similarly, many think differently - same as actual people do.

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Here I'm in a progressive area, and they name or rename all kinds of things after progressive Democrat politicians. I think they should wait thirty years or so after a person is dead before they do so.

Valletta said:

Many on the left think similarly--the ends justifies the means.

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You are correct. There are individuals on the political left who believe certain blue states should secede from the United States and establish their own government. As I mentioned in my previous post, any state or region—regardless of political affiliation or ideology—that seeks to secede from the United States today would encounter the wrath of Mighty U.S. military, and such efforts would be crushed immediately. it is also unlikely that monuments would be erected to honor the leaders of these efforts.

A New Dawn said:

I read the whole post. I watched the George Takei video. What do you want me to comment on?

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What George Takai video?

As for what you can comment on, you could answer my question about how may statues to Hitler you saw while touring Dachau. That would be a good start, as I think you admitting you were wrong about everything I pointed out would be too big of an ask.

A New Dawn said:

You seem to think this hinges on the whole our-sides-traded-places thing that y’all seems to think explains away the hate. But it doesn’t. Your actions and demonstrable beliefs determine which side of the aisle you’re on, not what you call yourself.

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...What...?

You're the one who accused me of being one who would have supported staying with England during the revolution... Because apparently thinking we shouldn't honor the figureheads of a legion of people who where traitorous to the United States means that I am anti-American and were I a colonial, I'd apparently support English rule, despite the fact that the American Whigs supported a split and the Tories did not... A fact you stated you nether understand the relevance of nor care to understand the relevance of, which is honestly kind of priceless (on your part) but whatever.

A New Dawn said:

You called me a liar, I am not going to feed the hate.

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Link to me where I called you a liar. Bet you won't find it because I certainly didn't. I just said you were wrong, which isn't the same as saying you're a liar. It just means you're ill, mis, or poorly informed.

A New Dawn said:

The fact that you ignored MY post says just as much about you.

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I literally replied to your post practically line-by-line.

Valletta said:

Your opinion is noted, but mob action is not the answer.

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Congress is not a mob. They passed the law that removed this monument.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

I apologize if I misunderstood your intentions. Could you explain the reasons for erecting these monuments?

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FAITH-IN-HIM said:

I apologize if I misunderstood your intentions. Could you explain the reasons for erecting these monuments?

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And that is the question that should be put to Hegseth before heaping hate on him. The problem is that most people assume that their own opinions are the only opinions that count and so don't ask the important questions. And it's the problem with most people who consider themselves to be journalists. Nobody knows the appropriate questions to ask.

A New Dawn said:

And that is the question that should be put to Hegseth before heaping hate on him. The problem is that most people assume that their own opinions are the only opinions that count and so don't ask the important questions. And it's the problem with most people who consider themselves to be journalists. Nobody knows the appropriate questions to ask.

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essentialsaltes said:

Congress is not a mob. They passed the law that removed this monument.

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While in most cases it was a mob, I know in this particular case it was not a mob. But such decisions should not be done rashly for political reasons.

Tropical Wilds said:

What George Takai video?

Link to me where I called you a liar. Bet you won't find it because I certainly didn't. I just said you were wrong, which isn't the same as saying you're a liar. It just means you're ill, mis, or poorly informed.

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My apologies for this. Looking back through the thread it was another poster.

I literally replied to your post practically line-by-line.

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No, you responded to my statement about the left rewriting history with their CRT, etc., with Tory and Whig statement about who would stand with England and who would rebel.

As for your summary about what the Germans decided to do or not to do about the rebuilt concentration camps, at Dachau there were plaques on the buildings themselves identifying them as to what they were and how they operated. I don't know if that was supposed to be a decision made at one camp, or maybe after I was there (which was in the mid-80s), but that's what I saw. One barrack, with a lot of foundations where other barracks were, and a rebuilt oven. With a sign "Arbeit macht frei" over the gate. And the sign with the saying by Santayana outside the walls.

A New Dawn said:

My apologies for this. Looking back through the thread it was another poster.


No, you responded to my statement about the left rewriting history with their CRT, etc., with Tory and Whig statement about who would stand with England and who would rebel.

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You need to keep rereading. You said I would have probably sided with staying with England because you think I'm liberal and that the liberals would have supported that, despite the fact that it was the Whigs (liberals of the day) who believed in leaving England and the Tories (conservatives of the day) who wanted to stay with England.

The reality is I have no idea what I would have supported back in the day and neither do you, but if we're going down your rabbit hole of "liberals would have sided with the English during the Revolution and conservatives would have split from England," then no, you'd be wrong... And this is basic US history stuff, my dude.

A New Dawn said:

As for your summary about what the Germans decided to do or not to do about the rebuilt concentration camps, at Dachau there were plaques on the buildings themselves identifying them as to what they were and how they operated.

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Replicas of the barracks post-liberation, not pre-liberation. The original barracks were largely destroyed between 1945 - 1948 by the Americans due to the the BHF outbreak, then they were were redone again to house SS members on trial, then again to house German refugees. See also: the precepts I listed above.

A New Dawn said:

I don't know if that was supposed to be a decision made at one camp, or maybe after I was there (which was in the mid-80s), but that's what I saw. One barrack, with a lot of foundations where other barracks were, and a rebuilt oven. With a sign "Arbeit macht frei" over the gate. And the sign with the saying by Santayana outside the walls.

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There are no old foundations; there are poured concrete foundation markers for the old barracks as part of the memorial.

And yet, we haven't answered... How many statues to Hitler, fallen soldiers from the Nazi army, memorials to the glorious dead of Nazi Germany and her allies, or tributes to icons of the German war movement are displayed in Dachau? Ancestors of Nazi soldiers who fell in the war still are all over Germany. Many of those who served were forced into service through conscription and coercion, meaning they died in vain for a cause they didn't support. How many tributes to the death of their family members exist at the concentration camp for the purposes of unification and honoring of those who died for their country...?

A New Dawn said:

And that is the question that should be put to Hegseth before heaping hate on him. The problem is that most people assume that their own opinions are the only opinions that count and so don't ask the important questions. And it's the problem with most people who consider themselves to be journalists. Nobody knows the appropriate questions to ask.

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I am asking you, hope this is the appropriate question. Why does the United States commemorate Confederate soldiers?

A New Dawn said:

Jan 6th was a protest.

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For some people, but not all.

A New Dawn said:

It only turned into chaos because a Capitol cop standing outside on scaffolding, who had not had crowd control training before, shot down into the crowd and the crowd panicked because they were being shot at, and tried to run into the tunnel for cover.

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There was no point of "crowd panic" rushing. I've seen it in other places. That was not what happened. No cops "shot into the crowd". I recall only a single shot was fired by a cop.

Your fantasy certainly has no connection at all to the "tunnel fight". None.

A New Dawn said:

On the other side of the building there was no panic, the cops had removed the barrier and were ushering people into the Capitol.

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Completely untrue. It was your "protesters" that removed the simple barriers blocking their path to the East side of the Capitol. No cops were ushering people in anywhere. (There were some inside who while trying to usher people *out* failed to monitor the exit door being used and it was used to flood people in, but that isn't even close to the same thing as what you claim.)

A New Dawn said:

Yes, inside there were a few skirmishes, someone attacked a cop, he was arrested and went to court and sentenced for it.

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A couple hundred people were charged with assault. Dozens for using weapons. I can find pictures of a dozen of them in the same frame.

A New Dawn said:

A cop shot and killed an unarmed woman who was no threat to him and he was not arrested, he got to kill someone for free.

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He was protecting a corridor with members of Congress inside it and she was poised to leap through a window the crowd just broke. (She was also armed, but the cop didn't know that.)

A New Dawn said:

A woman was trampled in the crowd seeking cover from the cop shooting at them, we don’t know whether she lived or died because the police in the tunnel dragged her into the building and wouldn’t let her family take her out to take her to the hospital.

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Her family wasn't with her. She was in the pushing melee at the tunnel. Other rioters stepped and sat on her. She died of a medical issue related to her medications.

A New Dawn said:

Most of the people walked around the building taking pictures doing nothing wrong, the few who damaged items and went into private offices were arrested and rightly charged. The rest were also charged for walking into the building when the cop removed the barricade.

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Cops did not remove the barricades. Alarms were ringing out as all of those people entered. (Do you normally enter buildings where alarms are blaring?) Many of them entered through broken windows, or over broken glass.

A New Dawn said:

They were the ones who shouldn’t have been charged.

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They were the ones that got misdemeanor charges and most of them minimal or no jail time.

A New Dawn said:

There is no question whether the ones who caused the damage and entered private offices and harmed the cop should have been charged, of course they should have been.

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And they numbered in the HUNDREDS. (And it was dozens of cops that were injured, not one.)

A New Dawn said:

But 99.9% of the people were there to protest, not to harm. It is the laughable imaginings of the left that people with no weapons went to take over the government that day.

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They had plenty of weapons. Some improvised on the spot, but many brought to the Capitol on purpose. Those included:

Axe handles
Hockey sticks
Crutches (carried by non-injured people)
Chemical sprays
Hand guns. (Yep several, including one that was fired into the air)


Your math is also really bad. 99.9% not doing something means only 1 in 1000 did something.

About 10,000 people entered into the restricted grounds area. Perhaps as many as 5,000 were on the hardscaped terraces surrounding the Capitol. Of these about 2,000 entered the Capitol illegally.

If your numbers were correct, then only 10 people total did harm and 2 who entered the Capitol. These are ludicrous numbers. There were far more than 2 committing acts of violence *inside* the Capitol, not to mention those who committed violence outside and then entered (to do no more violence there).

The reality is that 2-3% of those on Capitol grounds were violent, even higher percentages for those that got close enough to get off the lawns or go inside.

You should really stop getting your "news" from LindellTV.

A New Dawn said:

And whether I was conflating concentration camps with termination camps is irrelevant. It is neither, unless you consider minimum security prisons concentration camps.

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It's more about why people are interred and how they ended up their. Concentration camps are not prisons.

Hans Blaster said:

There was no point of "crowd panic" rushing. I've seen it in other places. That was not what happened. No cops "shot into the crowd". I recall only a single shot was fired by a cop.

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So I’m learning some people are surprisingly OK with treason against the US… And zero of those people are the forum liberals.

Y’all fixing to have a total meltdown when you see the new stained glass window at the National Cathedral, lol.

A New Dawn said:

Jan 6th was a protest. It only turned into chaos because a Capitol cop standing outside on scaffolding, who had not had crowd control training before, shot down into the crowd and the crowd panicked because they were being shot at, and tried to run into the tunnel for cover.

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This a-here is a new one, I hadn’t heard this justification for the violence…a cop scared the law-abiding protestors into a fearful riotous mob?
Mercy!

Always in His Presence said:

Are you not reading anything else that is posted?

No one is denying that the war happened.

No one is denying that the south and attack the north

No one is denying that the country separated

Noah is denying that the north one

So can we get past that

Read the president’s own statement at the commemoration of the monument and tell me where he’s wrong. Then tell me why you have more knowledge of it than he and the Congress


This is getting ridiculous.

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This jumped the shark with Noah.