Hegseth to Return Memorial Biden Tore Down in Arlington National Cemetery

Hans Blaster said:

The only one getting cancelled are confederate traitors.

What link have you requested from me. I recall none.

Back in 2020, when the BLM protests turned to removing confederate monuments like the one in the OP, there was a surge in neo-confederate apologetics. I adopted my avatar in opposition to the neo-confederate arguments. (SHerman is my spirit animal. The south must not rise against the US again.)

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Marching Through Georgia:


My dad liked the Northern version of the Battle Cry of Freedom:

GoldenBoy89 said:

Yeah and it’s a concentration camp that you support just because they’re “illegal”.

I don’t buy for a second you wouldn’t have stood with the majority of Americans who supported the internment of Japanese Americans at the time. It was widely seen as a reasonable precaution in the aftermath of the attack on Pearl Harbor.

But since you seem to care so much about the Japanese Americans who were illegally imprisoned, why don’t you hear it directly from one of them?

MSN

What’s weird is how a simple legal designation is all it takes for you to abandon your humanity.

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No, this is my problem with the left. It is wrong to discriminate against someone because of the color of their skin. It was not a "reasonable precaution" to imprison American citizens because of their Japanese ancestry! FDR and the Democrat leaders who went along with him were responsible, I don't know what the majority of Americans thought. It was a reasonable precaution to at least temporarily hold Japanese citizens, I don't how much you know about it, but about 2/3 of those imprisoned by Democrat Roosevelt were American citizens. As a matter of fact a number volunteered into the U.S. military, some worked as translators for intercepted code, and some were part of the most distinguished American unit fighting in Europe. Racism is wrong. Harry Truman continued on with racism, I suggest you visit the Truman Library if you are unaware of that Lumping all blacks together and telling them they are victims of a systemic racist society promotes more racism. As I've said, black Nigerians are fantastically successful and should be models for others.

Always in His Presence said:

Hogwash. That is in direct contradiction to history.

To accept that line of reasoning, someone would have to completely dismiss the Congress‘s own words and the president’s own words at the enactment of this monument.

I find no Creedence to being able to do so

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What contradiction to history? Are you saying the South didn’t declare secession from the United States, form a new nation, or attack the United States?

A New Dawn said:

Isn’t that the point of this little hate-fest of a thread, that you are oh so worried that Trump is going to reinstate slavery? And the worry about the south must not rise up again? If it’s not, what’s all the uproar about?

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Was the South wrong to secede or attack Fort Sumter and declaring war against United state?

GoldenBoy89 said:

Yeah and it’s a concentration camp that you support just because they’re “illegal”.

I don’t buy for a second you wouldn’t have stood with the majority of Americans who supported the internment of Japanese Americans at the time. It was widely seen as a reasonable precaution in the aftermath of the attack on Pearl

What’s weird is how a simple legal designation is all it takes for you to abandon your humanity.

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It’s hardly a concentration camp. It is nothing more than a place lace to hold them for a few weeks till they are deported. No one is starving them. No one is beating them. No one is experimenting on them. There aren’t really alligators there. They aren’t in solitary confinement tanks the way the J6ers were. They are just there awaiting deportation.

And where was your ounce of compassion for the J6ers, whom you have lost your humanity for because of a legal designation? It must be sad to hate your country so much that you prefer crime and chaos over law and order, and prop up criminals in our country illegally over American citizens that just happen to disagree with you politically.

A New Dawn said:

I have been to Dachau. I can tell you that one of the barracks has been rebuilt so you can imagine the horror of the living conditions, and one of the ovens has been rebuilt for the same reason. Not for glorification. Remembrance of the horrors so it doesn’t happen again. (Which unfortunately it is in the Middle East, with the support of the majority of the left, and sadly, some of the right.)

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And how many statues to Hitler did you see in Dachau? Or the glorious dead of those who died in service of German army during the war? Or German war heroes? Or those who served bravely by facing down the allies despite the overall loss incurred by the German army?

Zero.

Oh, and the rebuilt “barracks” in Dachau? They were not rebuilt for remembrance or to teach people to “not repeat history.” The reconstructed “barracks” were based off the look of the buildings in 1965, which bore little-to-no resemblance to the original buildings that existed that housed Nazi officers. And they were modeled to resemble the food/canteen available during the reconstruction period post WWII. All the bunkers that housed people during that era have long since been leveled.

When Dachau was converted to a memorial site, a panel of historians and survivors dictated the precepts that guided the project, which were (roughly translated):

1. No reconstructions or reenactments will be displayed or acted or encouraged to be reenacted by others
2) No physical vantage-points that give the visual perspective of the perpetrators upon the imprisoned accessible to the public
3) Historical artifacts or displays related to the crimes committed would only appear in the main building, would not reference other camps, nor will it glorify the Nazis, their allies, disparage the allied forces
4. The majority of the site would be a memorial for the cultivation of peace, healing, memorialization of the victims and the grief of their families, acknowledgement of survivors.

So the idea that they rebuilt something from that era because Germans need to be reminded to not do WWII again is false. Germans don’t need to be reminded to not commit a Holocaust again. I guess Americans aren’t as smart because they need reminders of the confederacy to remember to not own slaves, break apart from the US, found their own country, and attack Americans…?

A New Dawn said:

And nobody is trying to undermine what schools teach about slavery OR the Holocaust, except the left, who are actively rewriting history to give false information, trying to turn us into a nations of haters and racists because of the customs of the day, which everyone, even the founders knew would take time to overcome. The preamble to the Constitution states as much, “We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union …..”. The founders knew it would be a work in process, but the haters of today think they are so much better from their 21st century sensibilities. All you all do is follow the mob, and had you lived back then it is likely, with your apparent hatred for the founding fathers, you’d have voted to not rebel against the British.

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…The colonists who wanted to stay with England were the Tories, my dude… The Whigs wanted to break from England.

So maybe less railing on Liberals and more brushing up on history.

FAITH-IN-HIM said:

Was the South wrong to secede or attack Fort Sumter and declaring war against United state?

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The south was wrong on many levels. Nobody has said differently.

Tropical Wilds said:

…The colonists who wanted to stay with England were the Tories, my dude… The Whigs wanted to break from England.

So maybe less railing on Liberals and more brushing up on history.

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This is not germane to my post. What I said stands.

A New Dawn said:

The south was wrong on many levels. Nobody has said differently.

This is not germane to my post. What I said stands.

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The fact that you ignored the whole of my post and then made that rather telling comment tells me everything about what you think you know but don’t, lol.

Tropical Wilds said:

The fact that you ignored the whole of my post and then made that rather telling comment tells me everything about what you think you know but don’t, lol.

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I read the whole post. I watched the George Takei video. What do you want me to comment on? You seem to think this hinges on the whole our-sides-traded-places thing that y’all seems to think explains away the hate. But it doesn’t. Your actions and demonstrable beliefs determine which side of the aisle you’re on, not what you call yourself. You called me a liar, I am not going to feed the hate.

The fact that you ignored MY post says just as much about you.

Always in His Presence said:

Hegseth* to Return Memorial Biden Tore Down in Arlington National Cemetery​

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It’s official — the Biden administration’s historic eraser just hit a major snag.​

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In a move that’s already got progressives clutching their pearls and composing angry Twitter threads, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced that the Confederate Memorial — yep, that one — is heading back to Arlington National Cemetery.​

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The very same monument that was yanked out of the ground under Biden’s watch, boxed up like unwanted furniture, and banished to a Defense Department storage facility in Virginia? Yeah, it’s coming home. And not quietly, either.​

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You probably remember the removal last December. Tucked neatly between headlines about inflation, border chaos, and the latest round of DEI appointments, the Pentagon quietly took down the Reconciliation Monument — a 109-year-old sculpture commissioned in an era of healing, built by Moses Ezekiel, a Jewish-American Civil War veteran who also happened to be buried nearby.​

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No debate. No vote. Just poof — gone.​

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Why? Because the monument dared to acknowledge that, after the bloodiest war in American history, some people believed in moving forward. Because it honored Confederate dead not as heroes, but as fellow Americans buried on U.S. soil. Because it referenced reconciliation — something that apparently doesn’t fit in today’s progressive glossary.​

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This was not a monument celebrating slavery, or glorifying rebellion. This was a tribute to lives lost. A monument built at the direct approval of a future U.S. president — William Howard Taft — placed beside the graves of over 400 Confederate soldiers, meant to symbolize national healing.​

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*The reports of Hegseth's demise have been greatly exaggerated.

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Re-re-re-writing history is fun!

A New Dawn said:

It’s hardly a concentration camp. It is nothing more than a place lace to hold them for a few weeks till they are deported. No one is starving them. No one is beating them. No one is experimenting on them. There aren’t really alligators there.

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I'm thinking you don't really know what a concentration camp is. You seem to be confusing them with extermination camps.

A New Dawn said:

They aren’t in solitary confinement tanks the way the J6ers were. They are just there awaiting deportation.

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A New Dawn said:

And where was your ounce of compassion for the J6ers, whom you have lost your humanity for because of a legal designation? It must be sad to hate your country so much that you prefer crime and chaos over law and order, and prop up criminals in our country illegally over American citizens that just happen to disagree with you politically.

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January 6th *WAS* crime and chaos. This rehabilitation of the Jan6th insurrectionists is just as ugly as the same for the 1861 insurrectionists.

Hans Blaster said:

I'm thinking you don't really know what a concentration camp is. You seem to be confusing them with extermination camps.



January 6th *WAS* crime and chaos. This rehabilitation of the Jan6th insurrectionists is just as ugly as the same for the 1861 insurrectionists.

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Jan 6th was a protest. It only turned into chaos because a Capitol cop standing outside on scaffolding, who had not had crowd control training before, shot down into the crowd and the crowd panicked because they were being shot at, and tried to run into the tunnel for cover. On the other side of the building there was no panic, the cops had removed the barrier and were ushering people into the Capitol. Yes, inside there were a few skirmishes, someone attacked a cop, he was arrested and went to court and sentenced for it. A cop shot and killed an unarmed woman who was no threat to him and he was not arrested, he got to kill someone for free. A woman was trampled in the crowd seeking cover from the cop shooting at them, we don’t know whether she lived or died because the police in the tunnel dragged her into the building and wouldn’t let her family take her out to take her to the hospital. Most of the people walked around the building taking pictures doing nothing wrong, the few who damaged items and went into private offices were arrested and rightly charged. The rest were also charged for walking into the building when the cop removed the barricade. They were the ones who shouldn’t have been charged. There is no question whether the ones who caused the damage and entered private offices and harmed the cop should have been charged, of course they should have been. But 99.9% of the people were there to protest, not to harm. It is the laughable imaginings of the left that people with no weapons went to take over the government that day.

And whether I was conflating concentration camps with termination camps is irrelevant. It is neither, unless you consider minimum security prisons concentration camps.

Always in His Presence said:

Are you not reading anything else that is posted?

No one is denying that the war happened.

No one is denying that the south and attack the north

No one is denying that the country separated

Noah is denying that the north one

So can we get past that

Read the president’s own statement at the commemoration of the monument and tell me where he’s wrong. Then tell me why you have more knowledge of it than he and the Congress


This is getting ridiculous.

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This is the second time you have stated that the President and Congress possess greater knowledge than an ordinary citizen like myself. If that is your genuine belief, I encourage you to refrain from criticizing or initiating discussions about President Biden, President Obama, or the Democratic Party, and instead consider following your own reasoning that the President and Congress are correct and well-informed, while you may not be.

For me , I believe no such thing.
In a democracy, it's important to criticize leaders, debate issues, participate in civic processes, and change laws when needed.

A New Dawn said:

The south was wrong on many levels. Nobody has said differently.

This is not germane to my post. What I said stands.

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If the actions of the South were worn, then commemorating or celebrating those actions would not be appropriate.

As conservatives, we claim not to reward bad behavior but instead punish it to prevent recurrence. So why do we support rewarding the South for initiating a war against the United States?

A New Dawn said:

It’s hardly a concentration camp. It is nothing more than a place lace to hold them for a few weeks till they are deported. No one is starving them. No one is beating them. No one is experimenting on them. There aren’t really alligators there. They aren’t in solitary confinement tanks the way the J6ers were. They are just there awaiting deportation.

And where was your ounce of compassion for the J6ers, whom you have lost your humanity for because of a legal designation? It must be sad to hate your country so much that you prefer crime and chaos over law and order, and prop up criminals in our country illegally over American citizens that just happen to disagree with you politically.

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Are individuals placed there after receiving due process and access to legal representation during their stay? If not, it can be considered a concentration camp regardless of their living conditions.

Always in His Presence said:

You know more about what the country went through the novitiate on behind congress and the President dedicating the monument to promote reconciliation?

Why are you standing against a monument that stood for a century promoting reconciliation and unity?


Why is the left resigning the past that was buried 109 years ago?

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Rewarding action of treason do not unite the country but encourages others to act similarly.